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Scout: Luck could pull an Eli Manning/John Elway

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is what I have been talking about for a while now. The chances of this happening aren't astronomical. Andrew Luck is so hyped the power is in his camp to an extent we havent seen before, even with Eli's case.

    The scout in question has been digging into the situation for years and he thinks based on the personalities of Andrew and especially Oliver, and the way the two have orchestrated their decisions in the past, that Andrew could very well pull an Eli if the wrong team is picking #1 overall.

    Miami may have to woo this man, it won't be easy.

     
  2. AquaBlitz

    AquaBlitz Active Member

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    If Sparano and Ireland were still here by next draft, maybe this would be an issue if we had the first pick. But they won't be, Ross has to and will clean house. With that said, this guy would be coming to a team with a bruiser at running back, an elite left tackle, an elite wide receiver and a storied franchise.

    How many teams in recent memory have that situation going for them?
     
  3. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    An up-and-coming guy to snap him the ball too don't forget!
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Marshall is not elite...and let's see how Thomas does for a season before anointing him.
     
  5. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    This is what i am afraid of. Sparano won't be here, but hopefully Ireland is gone as well. won't other teams could he not want to play for?
    When do underclassmen have to declare by? mid Jan? And when do we find out the
    order of the draft?
     
  6. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    So basically, one unnamed scout thinks something might happen. Okay, that's well and good, but what's the evidence? The Luck family's personalities?

    Ross absolutely does have to hit a home run when remaking the football side of this organization, though. And if he actually does have a bias against current assistant GMs, he'd better get over that real quick, because one can imagine Omar Khan or Joe Horitz convincing Luck that this franchise is the correct way to go.

    The same time ever year; after week 17, when the regular season is over and the horrible teams' records are final.
     
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  7. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    It might depend on the Head Coach. He may not be willing to follow the College experiment.

    We might need to give a coach who's had some contact with Luck this season. A guy like Gruden.

    If we had gotten Harbaugh, and sucked enough for a 10th pick or so, I could see him having done this to get to us.
     
  8. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Why on Earth would Luck not want to play for the Dolphins? We have a rich tradition, good weather, and despite the record we have some nice talent to work with on both sides of the ball...including 3 solid receivers and 2 outstanding pieces on the offensive line.
     
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  9. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Whatever happens, happens. I don't want him here if he doesn't have the desire to play for the Dolphins.


    However, I can't see this happening at all.
     
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  10. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Andrew is too humble and team oriented to do that.

    Plus, this is Miami. We are STARVED for a star QB. Beautiful women, beautiful weather, no state tax...... and a franchise that will already have a legit #1 WR in Brandon Marshall and some good pieces to work with.

    IMO, there is nothing to this article.
     
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  11. Miamifins854

    Miamifins854 Finkle is Einhorn

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    Luck doesn't seem to have that kind of ego...
     
  12. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Neither did Eli Manning.

    Just saying...
     
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  13. Makados10

    Makados10 Active Member

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    Luck is the first player that I'm worried about almost every team with no business picking a quarterback taking Luck anyway purely for trading to the highest bidder and stockpiling picks.

    Ya sure, Eli "orchestrated" where he wanted to go... To move up 3 spots from #4 to #1, the Giants gave the Chargers their 4th overall pick (Rivers) and their 3rd round (#65) pick in that draft, and then their 1st and 5th round picks in 2005.

    Even if Luck "orchestrated" getting out of going to the #1, they'll get so many draft picks for him it won't be funny. It'll be the Herschel Walker trade 2.0 for a rookie.
     
  14. PigMuffin

    PigMuffin New Member

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    not worried about it
     
  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    With the Rook Cap, his value has been speculated 3 #1's and a 2 #2's, which is Walker like.

    We'll see, I suspect his dad will be a player in all of this.
     
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  16. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I'm not real sure what makes Omar Khan a big potential GM name other than the fact that his name is connected to Bill Cowher's. Omar is not a scout. He is the Steelers chief contract negotiator. If we are looking at someone who can bring a little of the Steelers drafting philosophy to Miami, then we should probably go get Doug Whaley from Buffalo.
     
  17. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Check out the Omar Khan thread in Club Level.
     
  18. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    wut?
     
  19. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    He's not wrong. Marshall's problems in Miami stem from poorer QB play than he had in Denver, especially in terms of ball placement.
     
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  20. PhinPhanatic

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    Dont care the cost. He11, raiders just gave a 1 and maybe another for an aging Palmer. Give away the farm as I am concerned (as long as he will oblige) sooo sick of watching 16 diff qbs and counting! As for the weather and storied tradition...sounds like SD to me.
     
  21. PhinPhanatic

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    It was Moore's fault Marshall dropped another TD pass??
     
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  22. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, the lack of touchdowns are all on Marshall. However, he's still a legit number one wide receiver.
     
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  23. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    One of the passes was behind him. A better QB throws a better pass there

    but Marshall has been dragging his feet out on the football field. Seems like he doesn't care
     
  24. gamblerx

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    Doubt it. But if Andrew Luck pulls off an Eli Manning, then the Phins can produce "The Great Train Robbery II."
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    When all of your receivers are dropping passes, it's the fault of the passer.

    A catchable pass is not just one within reach. Placement and velocity matter.
     
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  26. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Eh...I'll worry about it in February/March/April...

    But Ross better be on his game. He better fire Ireland's @$$, don't need him pissing off another draft prospect like he did with Dez Bryant.
     
  27. gilv13

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    I am guessing if the stars align and we have the #1 pick, and in the small chance but worst case scenario he refuses to play for us, we make a deal that would dwarf the Herschel Walker trade in comparison to the highest bidder. But again, its October, and I am not to worried about it.
     
  28. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    When the ball hits both of your hands and you still drop it, it's on you and no one else.
     
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  29. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    BS man.....
    They are NFL WR's. Catch the damn football.
     
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  30. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No, not always. That's what I'm trying to get across.

    Yeah, some of these drops are the receivers' fault. Others are the QB's fault. The fact that all of our receivers had the dropsies against the Jets underlines the common factor: the QB.
     
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  31. ToddsPhins

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    Ego has nothing to do with it. The guy is special; he knows he's special. He and his father also know the wrong team could impair his future. Look what the Bengals did to Carson Palmer. Heck, we don't even know who will be coaching or running the team next year, which includes QB coach. Currently our Oline can't protect, and if for some reason Marshall is later traded for a draft pick, we'll be weak at WR/TE to help him develop.
     
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  32. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Dolphins = More Money and No State Taxes I am sure he would come.. Nice weather and South Beach women don't hurt either.
     
  33. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    We either get luck, or a million draft picks and Matt Barkley.

    Win ****ing Win.
     
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  34. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    The scout is full of BS. For Luck to pull an Manning BOTH teams have to be in agreement. When SD chose Manning they AGREED with the Giants to make the trade. If Miami gets the first pick, they do not have to agree with any team to trade him. If there is no agreement then Luck or his agent have no say in the matter at all. The only alternative is for him to be selected by Miami, choose not to sign then sit out the entire season and then re enter the next draft. His stock would still be strong but he would surely drop down in the draft. With the number one pick, due to rookie scale, only getting 22 million this year, Luck cannot risk dropping down the charts any further, it would be useless and he would lose millions if he chose to sit out and wait until the next draft. Who would take a chance on him then ? use a pick on the kid and if he does not like that situation, ist out what, again ?

    If Miami does indeed pick him there will not be any trade agreement as there was between NY and SD.
     
  35. ToddsPhins

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    lol. He's "humble and team oriented" but you think he'll for some reason use "beautiful women, beautiful weather, and no state tax" as a reason to come here? Yeah ok. :lol:

    He wants to win & succeed and play for an organization that will allow him to do so. Miami being "starved" for a QB means nothing; Luck's not a humanitarian looking to throw us a solid.

    The biggest things of value to Luck that are virtually guaranteed to be here next year are Long, Pouncey, Thomas and this fan base. Too bad the fan base is acting like more of a detractor than a positive.
     
  36. PhinPhanatic

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    That would be an ideal pass for sure. However "elite" or even "#1"...or even professional recievers catch balls they get their hands on, esp in the endzone. Having said that I dont want to part with Marshall, not that we could. He may be an ideal, TE substitute for a young QB...assuimg he catches in and outside the redzone and not just outside.
     
  37. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Yup, money, women, and weather are the most significant factor's Luck is considering. :sigh: You should try and use HIS reasons rather than your own b/c you're not in the same ball park...... however, you did do a good job describing Ryan Leaf.
     
  38. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. The new regime would have so many draft picks to work with........

    either way, we need that #1 pick.
     
  39. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Exactly. Even in WORST scenario, we got a boatload of draft picks to build with.
     
  40. AquaBlitz

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    And another thing, if not Miami where the hell would he force his hand to? Denver? A team nothing at receiver and a coach known for running one of the most conservative offenses in the league? Indy? So he can rot on the bench for 5 years? Doesn't make any sense on his part.

    He goes to Stanford, the kids already graduated. He isn't an idiot.
     

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