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Interesting tidbit about Carl Peterson/Bill Cowher PFT

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SICK, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-carl-peterson-will-be-running-the-dolphins/

    I would not be totally against this, if it brings us Cowher. What are your thoughts Dolfans?
     
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  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I don't want Cowher; I want Omar Khan. I'd accept Cowher as the coach for a while if he came with Khan.

    But IMO, Peterson rumors are just lazy. He knows Ross, he used to be a GM, so he MUST be next in line! Ugh. Peterson is well qualified to lead the GM search and interview process, and to assist that hired GM in the coach search, but he's likely not going to be the GM himself.
     
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  3. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I'm just curious if Cowher still has that fire to coach. With Gruden you can see it written all over his face. I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but I feel like Cowher *thinks* he wants to get back into coaching, and would do it for a year and remember "crap, this is a lot of work" and go back into TV.

    I'm probably 100% wrong about that, it's just a gut feeling.
     
  4. gamblerx

    gamblerx New Member

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    I'm okay with Cowher as Plan C. I would like for him to build a menacing defense in the short-term.
     
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  5. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would rather not give total control to a head coach...........ANY head coach.
     
  6. Tin Indian

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    AMEN!!! This has not worked out well in the past.
     
  7. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    correct me if i am wrong, but unless Kevin Colbert's contract is expiring this year, Cowher can't hire him away as our GM. lateral move right?
     
  8. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Correct. That's why there's all the Omar Khan talk.
     
  9. shaunm000

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    [video=youtube;_VKWUXbTWfM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWUXbTWfM&feature=player_embedded[/video]
     
  10. finfansince72

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    Not really a big fan of Peterson to be honest. Cowher is a good coach, he may not want to coach again though who knows. I'd rather see us go with a coach that wants to run a different approach, Cowher is more along the lines of a coach that wants to play old school football, I think those days have passed. I want a coach that is willing to take risks and open the offense up.
     
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  11. Larry Little

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    I like... do not 'love'... Cowher as a head coach. I'm definitely not a fan of Peterson as a GM. I'll defer to those with more info than me on Omar Khan... he does have a pretty kickazz name, though. Plus, when he makes a bad pick, we could scream...

    kirk-khan_.jpg
     
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  12. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    so why the heck is PFT bringing him up?
     
  13. DOLFANMIKE

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  14. GARDENHEAD

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    Maynard, you obviously don't understand PFT!
     
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  15. Dolphin1184

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    Does anyone else think that Cowher would bring the same old conservative philosophy that has been going on with the Dolphins for years?
     
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  16. gamblerx

    gamblerx New Member

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    LOL "Do not be afraid to be quick!!!" *fart*
     
  17. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Personaly, if Miami wants to have a football Czar, then I think Carl Peterson is the ideal candidate. He knows how to turn a franchise around, both on the field and on the business side. Hire him as the the football czar and let him bring in the GM and head coach. Once they are in place, he can let the GM run the football side with the head coach, and he can set up the business and marketing side of the franchise.
     
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  18. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Yes.
     
  19. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't know about that. Cowher is not an idiot. He has seen the way the league is moving. He watches every game as part of his job. As long as he hired a good offensive coordinator, I wouldn't worry about that
     
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  20. gunsmithx

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    hmm... now thats a bit more intriguing, do you think though he'd be ok with that, would the GM have final say? And for anyone who says this hurts us for luck remember he's had a good relationship with Oliver Luck and they know each other.
     
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  21. ATLFINFAN

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    I am just throwing this out there for the fun of it..........every one is now saying you cant win in this league unless you are a pass happy offense. I am really not so sure about that. Who gives NE more fits than anyone else.......the Jets. They certainly are NOT pass first. IF you have a dominating Defense, and a VERY GOOD TO GREAT QB, you can beat those teams with a consistent running game. NE- Jets is just an example. We gave NO and Indy a scare and we didnt have the QB to finish it. I am not buying into the pass happy philosophy as a necessity to win it all so even though he isnt my first choice, we could do much worse than Cowher.
     
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  22. Desides

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    The only people saying you need a pass happy offense (read: pass often) to succeed are idiots or straw man creators.

    Passing too often (over 40 attempts per game post-1978) usually results in a loss. Pass volume is not the way to go. Pass efficiency, measured through yards per attempt, is what matters. When you pass, you need to wring every yard possible out of the attempt. There is a measurable and reliable correlation between passing efficiency/YPA and winning. There is a measureable and reliable correlation between passing volume and losing.

    When a talking head says "it's a passing league" and implies that a team needs to pass more to win, you can ignore everything that comes out of his mouth. He has no clue. He probably stays up at night wondering how a team that racks up more total yardage than their opponent but winds up losing can possibly exist.
     
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  23. ckparrothead

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    Any man that could look THAT pleased with himself after ripping off a huge fart on camera definitely has a big enough ego to run an NFL franchise.
     
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  24. SICK

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    I think I am missing something here lol. What are you reffering to?
     
  25. KB21

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    He's had good offensive coordinators in the past, yet their innovation on offense didn't come till they left Pittsburgh and took other jobs. That's all I'm saying. Some have noted that Chan Gailey is using spread concepts in Buffalo and ran the pistol in KC. Yes, he has. He didn't in Pittsburgh though.

    To me, Bill has never been a quarterback centric coach. He's always put more on the defense and running game than he has the quarterback position.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    lol...''I can smell it''
     
  27. djphinfan

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    lol........ssssinner.
     
  28. Section126

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    sigh.

    it is the world's longest circle jerk.

    Bill Cowher is Wanny and Sparano with a reputation.

    He is conservative to a fault. Steeler fans used to rip him for his conservative philosophy constantly.

    We need a coach that understands that the passing game and stopping the pass is what wins. Not this ole' "play defense and field position" BS.
     
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  29. electrolyte

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    Being a big NBA fan.......screaming KHAAAANNNNN when Khan makes a bad pick......
     
  30. Pro-X

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    I like both Cowher and Chucky, There both fierce competitors. Each has pro's and cons. What we need is someone who the players will respect and play for a$$es off until they drop and then keep going. Also we need someone who and when we go after in Free Agency, they wont hesitate to sign with us. All those who posted above, CK, KB, S126... I respect your opinion and always read your threads since they are very informative and to the point. Don't you all agree it will be hard to get both sides of a coin in one coach? But I do love when I see Cowher turning red on the sidelines for chewing someone out of Chest bumping his players. Chucky is another coach who is the same. Now who has the coin to flip and who is gonna call it... :knucks:

    Hopes Ross grew a Pair and does right by us...
     
  31. jdang307

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    Bill Parcells led Cowboys were 5th in the league in passing in 2006. It's not about how much you pass, it's how you pass and who you have passing. in 2006, Cowher's last year, steelers were 9th and that's with a Ben Roeth that isn't a prolific passer.

    Good defense, good running game, and efficient passing game is still an effective model IMO.

    That said, unless he pairs up with a good GM I'm not so sure of Cowher. he's been away quite a while.
     
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  32. ckparrothead

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    I guess I just don't agree with this idea that Cowher is a conservative coach. They passed the ball well when Roethlisberger was reaching his prime. Prior to that he had guys like Kevin O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox. And one of those years with Maddox, as I recall, they really passed the ball all over the place. They ran the ball a ton in Roethlisberger's rookie year, to where he didn't have to pass much, but notice the 15-1 record that year, and also notice Roethlisberger was just a rookie. Yeah, in that situation, I'd run the ball too.

    The offensive coordinators have been Chan Gailey, Ken Whisenhunt and Mike Mularkey. Those guys aren't conservative by nature. Chan Gailey practically runs a college offense, Ken Whisenhunt since he's taken over Arizona has overseen the most use (possibly overuse) of wide receivers per snap of any offense in the league, and Mike Mularkey is the trick-play and weird-formation king.
     
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  33. Desides

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    Roethlisberger has a career 8.1 YPA, one of the highest of all time. He may not be a prolific passer in terms of attempt volume, but he sure as hell is an elite passer in terms of effectiveness when passing. Which is exactly the goal.
     
  34. Pro-X

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    We are assuming that Cowher or Chucky wants to come here. I heard what Chucky said on tv about the phins on that Monday night game. But will they really come here. What has to happen for them to come, Sparano needs to go, and so does Ireland. What did Cowher say last year, before he said He wont speak about the coaching spot, when we still had Sparano on board. What did Chucky say. I cant recall, what do you guys remember or think needs to happen or be done...
     
  35. jdang307

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    Exactly.
     
  36. mracer

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    I think our fan base has way too much emphasis on style of offense. It's more about execution of a style of offense. Smash mouth football can still win today IF you have the right personnel. Our team has tried to win without the right guys up front. Sadly, I thought Morano was an o-line guru...LOL!!
     
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  37. unluckyluciano

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    I think, personally, alot of it has to do with the fact that he does run the ball alot. However, looking at his teams stats it seems to me he has been in the middle of the pack with passing attempts. That to me personally, doesn't scream neglecting the pass.
     
  38. Larryfinfan

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    There are a lot of potential ties between Cowher, Ross, and Peterson and the position this franchise is in right now. Any idiot can link the three guys together. This isn't a real story, just yet... It will become a story come early January.... It could also be a big, huge, humongous let down for millions of Fins Fans....
     
  39. KB21

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    I don't think so. Miami has tried smashmouth for 15 years. It doesn't work in Miami. It is time to try something different. Miami needs to embrace the college spread concepts and hire a coach that will embrace and utilize those concepts. Can anyone imagine Bill Cowher supporting a no huddle offense? I can't, because he is a ball control coach. I'm of the opinion that Miami needs to forget about ball control and concern themselves only with scoring as many points as they can as fast as humanly possible.
     
  40. gamblerx

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    Kevin Loves shows the love...
     

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