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Mission impossible: Duplicating Super Bowl success

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by The_Dark_Knight, Oct 22, 2011.

  1. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    1 yr bet for what would be a minimum 3-years before it pans out seems underwhelming. That's if the criteria pans out to begin with. How about a lifetime ban for any takers and if you lose, you quit the military and get a tattoo of the winner's avatar. C'mon be a man, surprise yourself...I'd take that bet if we get Luck.
     
  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    :sidelol:

    I can't help but to like you Panda. You do indeed make me laugh!!! :up:

    Stakes already been set and we already have a taker, so...can't change the rules in the middle of the game.
     
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  3. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    And if we do it without Luck, the winner gets to choose where the tattoo goes (face and hands excluded, genetalia not)...
     
  4. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Now theres a real bet I dont think you`ll be willing to make. Care to try?
     
  5. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    And while were on the subject............ Its not Sparano`s fault after all. I just did a little research and its a fact that NO former Dallas Cowboy coach ( in any capacity) won a Super Bowl with the Dolphins. Poor Tony,he was doomed from the get go.
     
  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Nope!!!! :sidelol:

    But you hold an advantage on me. My age is listed where yours is not.
     
  7. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    How many of those coaches went to another team and made them a contender? I'll take that about now because this team sucks!

    There is absolutely no law saying that this cannot happen so bringing in a Jon Gruden (mearly an example) would not be a bad thing imo
     
  8. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No baseball team has ever came back in the playoffs down 0-3. Ever.
     
  9. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How about this. Take the number of ex-Super bowl winning coaches, and how many at least got their team back to the playoffs/superbowl (discounting teams that made it there the year before). compare that to the first time coaches who did the same. Then we can have a somewhat clearer picture.
     
  10. Jaj

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    How many coaches honestly did it even? It's not that easy.
     
  11. Hobiesailor

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    You missed the point.

    Winning the Super Bowl has zero to do with winning future Super Bowls. Winning one Super Bowl has zero effect on the chances of winning or losing future Super Bowls. Your arguement lists zero things that would have an effect on the chances of winning futures Super Bowls.

    However, things that might effect the outcome of a Super Bowl might. Who is selecting the players on the team you are on, whether they are on their original team or not, would have a huge effect on the success of winning future Super Bowls. Many of the coaches that went to other teams after winning the Super Bowl had total control of their new franchise (Johnson, Ditka, Parcells, Holmgren, Shanahan). Perhaps it is this that is the more likely cause of coaches not winning Super Bowls with their new teams. The coaches not having a good grasp on building a full roster is much more of a direct cause to not winning a Super Bowl than simply winning one with a different team first.

    So my argument is that there are other causes that led to Super Bowl winning coaches not winning one on their second team, not the act of actually winning a Super Bowl itself. Winning a Super Bowl is not the explanation for them not winning one on a second team.
     
  12. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Please explain.
     
  13. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    You're quickly losing all credibility here. The odds of us hiring some brand new HC and winning a superbowl are just as steep. maybe Cole should have written an article on how often new head coaches fail miserably to get their team to the superbowl.
     
  14. rafael

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    I don't believe that hiring a former SB winning coach increases your odds of winning again. My guess is that whatever you get in terms of "know how" is offset by lessened drive and a tendency to want to do things the same way rather than making the necessary adaptations. I actually think that with the vast majority of SB winning coaches, the odds of them repeating with another team are less than your odds of winning with the next young coordinator. So while I'm sure eventually it will happen (SB winning coach wins again on a new team), I don't think that it is the best strategy for winning (although it's good for selling tickets).

    That being said, I do wonder if Gruden might be one of those SB coaches who is in the minority. He's younger than most of them, he seems very driven and he has shown a willingness to embrace new concepts and study what college coaches are doing. I believe that the fact that BB spent so much time studying and speaking with college coaches was instrumental in the difference in success he had between his first and second stint (along with being lucky, which all coaches need).
     

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