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Why do you give Stephen Ross a pass?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Oct 23, 2011.

  1. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Why? I get it. Sparano sucks. Ireland too.

    But Stephen Ross retained them. Extended Sparano!

    He has done NOTHING, nothing good for this franchise since taking over.

    The stupid Fins to the Left song. The even stupider TPAIN Remix of the fight song.

    The 4pm or later starts to make it a better atmosphere and RUIN our competitive advantage.

    The fact we don't have a training staff condition these players to exploit said advantage.

    The insistence on NAME FAs rather than players who help the team.

    He cares more about celebrities than he does winning.

    Fans want Ross to make a change? I want Ross gone.

    Change should start there. He's Dan Snyder #2.
     
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  2. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    can't fire your owner.
     
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  3. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Exactly. I don't think anyone is giving him a pass. Stephen Ross is an incompetent tool of an owner. But other than boycotting games fans can't do anything about the owner.
     
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  4. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    That doesnt mean you should support him when winning clearly isnt his priority.

    You have him in your sig for christsakes!
     
  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    This is just knee-jerking silliness.
     
  6. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    It's not knee jerking. I haven't liked him since he took over.

    But go ahead, cite one good decision he made.
     
  7. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    So it's a three year long, very slow knee-jerk. It's still knee-jerking.

    Easy: non-interference with the football operations. He knows he's not a football genius and defers, expending his effort on the business side to bring up revenue. I prefer the owner who's smart enough to know that he doesn't know versus the owner that's arrogant enough to think he knows.

    This January will be pretty critical for Ross, though. He needs to get this right. First, hire a GM not named Carl Peterson. Then have that GM hire a head coach. I do fear that he'll do this the other way around, hiring a head coach who will then bring in a GM who's basically a head scout rather than a roster builder.
     
  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I have him in my sig for a myriad of reasons... one of which has him throwing the football pretty nicely I might add...
     
  9. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    After today, I'd be surprised that one of the guys on his short list wasn't Urban Meyer.
     
  10. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    If he got Urban Meyer...I'd... be confused.
     
  11. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Or maybe he just had a chat with a well-known and well-respected ex-coach who was invited to attend the game at the sideline.
     
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  12. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Making today a road game really did piss me off, if we're talking knee jerking.
     
  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I doubt it very much. Meyer's health prevents him from coaching for now. Until that gets sorted out, he's going to take it easy. And I wouldn't be surprised if he took a job at Ohio State. Not sure why he'd want to jump to the NFL.

    I definitely believe the report from High-Five that Jon Gruden was on the top of Ross' list, though.
     
  14. DeDolfan

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    You do realize there is only one 4pm start at home, right?
     
  15. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Just like during the Orange Bowl last year eh?
     
  16. DeDolfan

    DeDolfan Premium Member Luxury Box

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    What does that have to do with Ross? Or are you jerking something else !!! :sidelol:
     
  17. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I didn't give Ross a pass on anything this season. I had season tickets for forty years and I did not renew my four season tickets this season because Ross retained Ireland and Sparano after last season. He seemed more concerned with getting celebrity owners and the dance club at the stadium, then he was in bringing in a new regime to get this organization headed in the right direction. Not purchasing season tickets was the only option I had to show my displeasure with the direction of the team under his ownership.

    I now look forward to see what his plans are once this season is over. If he makes the changes necessary and actually hires a quality coach and GM, I will gladly purchase season tickets for next season. Getting Luck in the draft would certainly increase fan enthusiasm for the team but the new HC and GM are what's really important. I would just be satisfied if Ross truly shows that he is willing to spend the money to hire people who actually know how to rebuild this franchise. It is not what Ross has done so far as the owner of the Dolphins which bothers me, it is what he hasn't done.

    The coming off season will show the fans of the Dolphins exactly how important having a winning team is to Mr. Ross. I think he is a smart man and I do think he does want to have a winning organization. He just has to show me and the rest of the Dolphin fans that is tired of being seen as one of the worse owners in the NFL. The hires he makes this off season will be the most important hires this organization has made since, Joe Robbie hired Don Shula. Ross can not afford to err in his selections of the next HC and GM.
     
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  18. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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  19. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...a-dolphins-coach-candidate.html#ixzz1be9eXK5r
     
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  20. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I don't give a pass, BUT he didn't bring this here. He knows we need a Franchise QB, and he clearly wants Luck.

    The Harbaugh thing was a disaster, BUT, at least he had good taste...look at what Harbaugh is doing in San Francisco. They're on their way to the division title and maybe a first round playoff bye. We haven't had a playoff bye since the mid-90s.

    I'm giving him a chance to see what he puts in place in 2012 before I say anything bad.
     
  21. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Owners can improve, just like young players. January will be big for Ross. He will make the decisions that set the course for the next several years. He's got to nail them.

    As for finding a good decision Ross made, I like that he shut down the Orton trade.

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  22. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Bad decision, but they were still ahead by 15 with only a few minutes left. That didn't lose us the game.
     
  23. pacadermng67

    pacadermng67 New Member

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    Ross' priority is make money. But he is not dumb and does know that your team needs to win to make money.

    Go back in time and I doubt you'll find many people angry about the Fins getting Dansby, even at the high price. He hasnt been as effective as planned but it was hard not to like him after the season he had in AZ.
     
  24. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    We don't have much of a choice of owners...simple as that...
     
  25. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Really? You don't think that making it Tim Tebow Appreciation day was a bad idea?
     
  26. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    It wasn't Tim Tebow Appreciation Day.
     
  27. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    it only turned into that.
     
  28. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    It was though.

    It was done to tap into his following and a slap in the face to our peers we share a stadium with at The U.
     
  29. NJFINSFAN1

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    To me, Ross is a huge problem, he does not get a pass from me.
     
  30. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    It's how you're interpreting it. It wasn't Tim Tebow Appreciation Day; it was the 2009 University of Florida Football Appreciation Day.

    They obviously had it the same day as Tebow came to town to sell more tickets. Can you blame them? We're struggling to sell tickets.
     
  31. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    He doesn't get a pass. However, outside of him selling the team....there really isn't much we can do about him. We can ***** about him, we can complain to his office, but maybe...just maybe....voicing displeasure, not buying tickets, and not showing up for games will convince him to make moves in the right direction.
     
  32. DeDolfan

    DeDolfan Premium Member Luxury Box

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    But it wasn't Tebow appreciation day. Hell, a lot of games are "road games" for us at home. Or haven't you ever been to one?
     
  33. electrolyte

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    He inherited this mess

    So far, his mistakes (in my eyes) are the terrible way of handling the Harbaugh situation, and Gator day.

    other than that, he's fine and is actually trying to do good things. He knows the value of a franchise QB and wants to fix this team.
     
  34. Jaj

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    The bigger problem is that he's a fame whore and won't make the right call on a coach. He's chasing names like Cowher and Meyer. He talks to big personalities acting as if they are the end all to this situation.
     
  35. NaboCane

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    Because he's a Keebler elf. And you can't hate an elf.
     
  36. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    come to think of it.....brings a whole new meaning to "Heigh Ho!" when affiliated to this Franchise
     
  37. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Nice Assumption.

    Wrong, but nice.
     
  38. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If he gets Cowher he should spend some serious time studying how the Rooneys do things so he can become a better owner.
     
  39. rafael

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    I would criticize Ross for the handling of the Harbaugh situation, the selling of those minority shares to celebs and his request to have more 4 pm games. But in the end I see those as minor things. I don't criticize him for the promotion. IMO most of the *****in' is coming from butt hurt UM fans and it has nothing to do with the Dolphins other than it sold an additional 10k - 20k in tickets and allowed the game to be on local TV.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    Nobody seems to be giving Steve Ross a pass. I see as much vitriol spewed at him as I do Sparano and Ireland. So I don't see the original poster's point.

    I think Ross continues to look new to the ownership game. There are just some awkward things he's done like the Harbaugh meeting and the Gator Appreciation Day. Those are awkwardly bad decisions.

    But he had the right instincts in investigating Jim Harbaugh, who is an excellent football coach. He didn't get Harbaugh because of Jeff Ireland. Michael Lombardi is real close with Harbaugh and flat out said that is the ultimate reason Harbaugh did not have interest in Miami...Ross brought the wrong man with him on the plane.

    Ross inherited an organization put together by Bill Parcells. Parcells has this inexplicably sterling reputation around the league. The only way Ross could have been more unpopular with the fan base right now would have been if he came in and screwed with what Parcells wrought. He was screwed either way.

    My complaint has been that he's been TOO laissez-faire with these guys and how they spend his money. I saw a step in the RIGHT direction when he nixed the Orton deal and said I'm not giving this guy $9 million a year long term money if he's not really a franchise guy which I think everyone knows he's not. He finally stood up to his football people and I don't account that a bad thing at all. This team has had no VALID oversight on their football people for a long time. And you know what? Even smart football people can be pretty ****ing dumb at times, especially when they're desperate, and they ALWAYS seem to be desperate.

    We will have to see how Ross sets up this organization this winter. I'd like to see him pull in a czar like a Russ Ball who has been around forever and worked at just about every level in every role and been part of good organizations, with good coaches, and good personnel staff.
     
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