This is a bummer of a thread for fans, but what if Luck opts out of Miami?

If that's the case we move on to a first round QB maybe Tannehill later in the round, Riley Reiff, and perhaps a TE.

 

You mean 1sts in 2012 and 2013 I guess? Also 2nd and 3rd in 2012?

 

Since he has no other option, you could til he comes back though that will make him look negative. Though, I doubt that, Luck doesn't seem to be a "hey-look-at-me" guy.

If not, trade for a lot of picks...

 

I would trade Barkley for that much. Cleveland will be looking for a QB as Mccoy is mediocre. I'm not high enough on Barkley to pass up on value like that. Two 1sts and perhaps another pick? Absolutely I take that. I would take Tannehill or RGIII and Reiff with Cleveland's picks (perhaps one of them you trade down for more), then add Burfict to lineup between Burnett and Dansby. Then I would address the receiving TE position. Tannehill is a good kid. He's improving and he's young for a rebuilding project. Griffin brings a lot of excitement and could be the guy.

I like Weeden, I just can't see Miami picking him. I can see Baltimore doing it and I'll admit I'm not a fan of Flacco, he hasn't shown me much year after year. As much as we argued about Mallett last year, this is where it really hurts. The value was good. I would put Mallett right under Barkley in value.

In the end though TP, this QB thing needs to be done right. Baltimore has a strong running game, the top D in the NFL (they are excellent, flat out), they spent a 1st on a QB, and they still can't win it. I think you just have to find a way to get Luck really. If you can't find a RT, a new safety or two, a LB, and perhaps a G in free agency that's pathetic. Poor QB play is destroying this team and I'm sick of it.

 

Luck won't opt out of anywhere.

 

We still have 10 games to go.....I think I'd enjoy us rattling off 4 or 5 wins just to **** with all the suck for luckers (even me) Just to see this entire fanbase implode.

 

That's quite a SICK thought...oh, wait a minute...

 

I'd still draft him and hold him hostage.

 

This whole "Luck won't play for Miami" hypothetical has been debated 100 times already. Ugh.

 

have you met this forum?????

 

Then JLo will be our next franchise QB. Next question.

 

You mean JpLo?

 

That's a harsh way of putting it, but I agree with you. I would draft him and hold onto his rights, and see if I can't find a way to meet him halfway on the problems he and his father had with the team that caused them to declare that he won't play for us.

 

I agree that it's gone from a possibility that should be kept in mind especially as you try and create a winning organizational structure and then as you enter the pre-Draft process with interviews and all that...to something that some people are latching onto in order to try and prod at other people.

It's not at all a high likelihood. All I've argued is it should not be considered 'astronomical' in likelihood and therefore you should actually go out of your way a little bit to try and make Andrew Luck feel like Miami is the right place for him. There is zero harm in that. You want a happy player, especially when he figures to be such a BIG part of your team in the future. You can't make him happy monetarily, that is restricted now. You have to find other ways to make him excited about being a part of what you're building.

 

I wonder if Marino would be willing to help us in this regard. Kinda like Michael Jordan assisting in recruiting Harrison Barnes to UNC.

 

No.no.no.no.no. QB in first round no matter what. you dont wait til the 3rd.

 

Indeed.

You wait until the 2nd.

 

If the chips fall heavy against us at the top of the 1st round I could conceive a situation where I trade up from the top of the 2nd round to take Weeden.

 

I like that idea if they can do it, teams will know however about their desire for those two players. I would love to see them draft a linemen and a tight end though and grab another linemen in free agency, perhaps with a second running back. That's a set offense and we'll work on defense in other years.

 

I like your line of thinking. It seems logical to me, to surround a new rookie QB with some of his more talented college teammates if possible. Like if had we taken Ryan Mallett, I'd have taken DJ Williams if possible too.

 

If he does will you make another one of those promises, like eating your young on TV?

 

That's a fair idea, I could see it working. But the difference with me is, I wouldn't tell him what I'm going to do. I'd just do it and then see if I can't change his mind after the fact.

 

Here's the thing: What is Luck going to do instead? Eli pulled his stunt because there was a major player within reach; it was as much about playing for the Giants as it was about not playing for the Chargers. But where's Luck going to turn to? Arizona? Cleveland? St. Louis? Jacksonville? Minny? I don't see it. The only teams I'd be worried about are Indianapolis (simply because that organization is perfectly run) and Denver. Denver might well end up out of uptrade reach. Indianapolis likely won't, but Miami would have some serious leverage in trade talks, that leverage being called Peyton Manning. If Manning gets healthy again and Luck does indeed pull an Eli, I'd want Peyton and some firsts. There's worse things than a Favre/Rodgers redux with Peyton/Landry and some additional picks to boot.

 

My impression is that the Lucks (Andrew and Oliver) want to avoid being perceived as meddling. I think it would take a very bad situation for them to opt out.

 

...you really think an ANDREW LUCK is going to have a tough time finding a suitor that would be willing to play the Giants' role in an Eli Manning Redux?

Really?

 

No. I think Andrew Luck is going to have a tough time finding a more attractive suitor than the Miami Dolphins. There's no one to reprise the Giants role as the handsome boyfriend who's way better looking than the groom at the altar.

 

He's right. The number of teams willing to trade up wouldn't be that much better especially if Cowher is coach.

Cleveland over Miami? (Not saying anything else...)

 

The one that immediately stands out is the Denver Broncos. The Luck family is pretty cozy with John Elway, and that organization has long been considered to be a first class organization under Pat Bowlen. I doubt the Broncos end up with the #1 overall pick but I also doubt they're very far from it. Don't let some last minute Tebow magic fool you, for 55 minutes of that game the Denver Broncos played atrocious football. At times I was watching their defense to see if they were earning such a low scoring output from the Dolphins, and no...the Dolphins were just bad.

All it takes is one, and John Elway's presence there is a pretty effing big elephant in the room as far as being a guy that could talk Andrew into the idea.

And when push comes to shove I don't see how the Seahawks couldn't threaten to do the same thing. Great city. The fans support their team and the home games are always rocking (12th Man). Very rich owner. Nothing about the organization stands out to me as bad. I'm sure Luck playing in the Pac-10 respects what Pete Carroll did at USC.

 

True. Hence why I mentioned the Broncos (along with Indianapolis) in my initial post. But Denver - just like Seattle, by the way - could well end up out of uptrade reach in terms of draft position. Eli Manning's stunt worked because the Giants picked at #4 and were able to offer Philip Rivers in return. Say Denver picks at #7, which is certainly possible going by today's standings. Miami would be downright stupid to trade down that far, potentially missing Landry Jones and Matt Barkley in the process, ending up with lots of picks but still no QB. They'd rather hold Luck hostage, I would think. Hence why I say that at this point, I see no New York Giants in the picture to make such a stunt work.

 

Yeah, thinking has to be top 5, especially to make the 2012 additonal picks to be of value for say the 2nd and 3rd round picks.

using the Eli/River's swap as a starting point.

You would have to think DEN or SEA would have to be top 5 pick to make it really worth it in comparison right?

NYG were #4 in the 2005 draft when they drafted Rivers, and of course SD was # 1 when it drafted Eli.

Then they traded their rights, and NYG gave a 3rd rounder that year, and also traded NYG #1 and #5 the following draft to complete the deal.

So, SEA or DEN if Miami still drafts Luck #1, and looks to trade away his rights (or trades prior to actually selecting him) would have to offer up "more" inflation value in 2012, right?

The value would have to be 2012 draft of 1st, and 2nd, and maybe 3rd
2013 1st and 3rd
2014 1st or 2nd (maybe conditional or Luck himself?)

 

I would go through with my pre-Draft process, including the interviews with Andrew and my best attempt at convincing him that this is a great place for him to call home. If, after that, he declared to us that he did not want to play for Miami and that we should trade him, I would speak with him about the problems he has and then I would attempt to address those problems.

What I wouldn't do is suggest to him, what if we draft your buddies Coby Fleener and Chris Owusu? I would just go ahead and do that without saying anything to him. Then, after the fact, I would try and leverage those players into getting him to accept a career in Miami rather than sitting out a year.

 

Before the season started, three teams were rumored to be in Suck For Luck mode. They were the Broncos, Seahawks and Redskins. All three have great markets, great fanbases and fan support, good homefield advantages, rich history, and two of them have coaches with Super Bowl histories. Denver has Elway. Seattle has Carroll, whom Luck has to be familiar with from playing in the Pac-10. Washington has Daniel Snyder whom you know would be willing to put the gas pedal to the floor in whatever way possible to get Andrew Luck for his fans. Plus, Andrew Luck was born in Washington, DC. His father is Athletid Director at West Virginia, just a short drive away from DC.

Do the Seahawks and Broncos currently have 2 wins each, and do the Redskins have 3 wins? Absolutely. But is it really all that inconceivable that one of them could be picking in the Top 5 by season's end? Absolutely not. Current draft order would have the Seahawks picking #8, the Broncos picking #10 and the Redskins picking #11. That's not exactly out of striking distance from the Top 5, with 10 weeks left to go.