Simms, part of a small minority that think Luck is overhyped.

Leaf had one of the goofiest-looking dropback I ever seen.

 

You should meet this guy I know from another forum who's a huge UCLA homer(Luck Hater as well) but also a Miami Dolphins fan. He said that Luck's overrated and questioned Luck's abilities in the pocket when under pressure and his release that the UCLA homer said it's not "elite." I guess that USC game debunked that statement.

 

The NHL has a lottery system much like the NBA. So teams couldn't really SFC.

 

There were many!

 

That's exactly what he does.

At least that's what his high school coach said he was already doing back then. Changing his throws to accommodate his receivers.

As long as his arm's good enough, he'll be fine. Doesn't have to be a cannon. Just good enough to make all the throws. Like Manning.

He'll also be aided by his ability to extend plays with his feet. He's not Cam Newton, but that guy is big, strong and athletic. Watching him the other night he reminded me of Big Ben a bit.

In this age of globalism and the internet, this is the most hyped NFL prospect ever IMO. But it ain't like LeBron James. He was the Next Big Thing at 16. Bron signed a $90 million deal with Nike as soon as he graduated high school. That's about as big as it gets. And then he flirted with a triple-double in his first NBA game.

 

Alot of picks don't pan out.Remember the hype with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.I think Luck will be good but we will have see it.

 

But it wasn't clear cut.

 

It never is but to say Leaf was ever tagged as a can't miss prospect is just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

 

I don't think the point is whether Leaf ever was a can't miss prospect, but whether Manning was. And from what I recall, it wasn't as clear cut as history seems to be making it. In fact, while Manning was a very good prospect he also carried a reputation as someone that wilted in big games.

 

Leaf just had a good junior year due to the that dynamic Washington State offense that Mike Price designed it based on, in part, by what he had learned from Dennis Erickson's one-back attack at Washington State and elsewhere. As for Russell, he came in a weak draft class that he was the best QB prospect that year due to his cannon arm that everyone loves so much and big frame.

Al Davis should have listen to Chris Landry.

 

Hockey fans openly talk about tanking for prospects all the time. The Penguins TOTALLY tanked to get Mario Lemiuex, to the point of healthy scratching better players late in the season to be replaced by non NHL capable AHL players.

Crosby could not be tanked for because the entire season was lost due to the lock out, I am damn sure that as the finish line approached that year though there would have been tanking.

The NHL does have a lottery system now but the team that was supposed to get the #1 pick has gotten the #1 pick for the last 5 years.

 

Totally different. Every year there are 5-10 teams that are in desperate need of a quarterback. Quarterbacks are always over valued, especially in todays NFL. Andrew Luck has been talked about as the #1 pick the year he comes out for 2 years.

Phil Simms is just being contrarian, there will be a few hoping they are correct and can say "look at me" in a couple of years.

 

I believe Joe Namath was over hyped when he came out as I remember.
Manning was getting a lot of press before he was drafted as being Archie Manning's son. Archie Manning was hyped a lot himself when he came out for the draft.
I would rather have a Quarterback who is smart and can pick a defense apart than a quarterback who has a cannon for an arm.

 

I like how everyone is defending him as if he was already on the team.

 

Based on what I've seen, which isn't a lot, I would agree that he doesn't display elite arm strength. Its possible I just haven't seen enough of him. But that was one impression I've had. The other is that other than that, he looks very prototypical. He seems to have good mechanics and makes good decisions. So the arm strength thing isn't to say that he isn't a good prospect or can't be a good NFL QB. Its just to say that I haven't seen the arm strength that the likes of Marino, Elway, and Favre had, which seems to be who he is being compared to.

 

Stanford has pretty horrible wr's and they run the ball a lot his success will most likely depend on what team drafts him.

 

I just wonder what all of the jock strap carriers for Luck are going to do if, after he's drafted and goes to a team where he has to play against REAL competition and he falls flat on his face?

JaMarcuss Russell, Matt Leinart, Joey Harrington, Chad Pennington (NYJ days), Ryan Leaf, Jeff George...there's an endless list of hyped QB's that once they were drafted in the NFL they ended up becoming busts.

I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. Luck will drafted into NFL, more than likely the number one pick. And he will go to a team whose offense is not a west coast type offense that Luck has been accustomed to playing (surely no one REALLY thinks Stephen Ross would bring in a coach tailored for Luck's playing style, do you....ROSS?) ...and instead of facing 3 or 4 NFL caliber players on the opposing team's defense, he's going to face 11 of them and he's going to be destroyed.

I've made my case against the hype for Luck previously, with my comparrison between Luck and Jones so I'm not going to re-hash it all but Luck has faced ZERO competition and when he does, we'll see what mettle he possesses

 

I'm not really sure if anyone is making the case that Luck won't struggle or have to adjust to the NFL, I think anyone that is smart or has really watched the NFL knows the guy will have to learn to play at the NFL level. I don't think anyone is saying he will step in and be the best Qb in the NFL in his first game, thats just dumb. Based on talent and upside, to me he is the no brainer number one overall pick, that isn't to say he's without risk but you don't pass on a player like Luck because he might struggle, everyone has to struggle and adjust to the NFL. Luck is the real deal, I don't buy the lack of competition argument for a minute.

 

Where's your messiah now see, myehhh...

 

Luck is a great prospect and will do well, I'm sure. The problem being drafting him will guarentee us not one damn thing! If we don't bring in the pieces around him, including a great coaching staff, he won't win one single game on his own!

I harken back to the draft that brought us Bob Griese. The fan base wanted Steve Spurrier, if memory serves, home town Fla boy with the Heisman under his arm. Nope, we went with the runner up then went on to 3 SB's, the only undefeated season in NFL history and quite a nice run. We don't need the best man but we damn sure need the right man!

As for Steve, well he's done ok as a College coach, but as an NFL QB just a footnote for the 49ers.

 

Yup, I agree. We should not draft any QB in the first round. Let's build a team first. Perhaps a Right Tackle would be good with our 1st rounder.

then let's look to see if any "right man for the job QB's" are left in the 2nd or 3rd round. I like this plan! Good job. Can't wait to buy season tickets next year. Watching that offensive line push defensive ends is going to be fun.

 

Yep, I remember that GA. Everyone was screaming for Spurrier and questioned Shula when he drafted Greise...and Greise ended up being the right man! Three consecutive Super Bowls (Almost 4 if it hadn't been for that fumble in the game against the Raiders in the AFC Championship), first back to back Super Bowl champions, only undefeated team in NFL history...yep, the RIGHT man for the job.

 

GA never said NOT draft a QB in the first round. He said we need the best man for the job, be that Andrew Luck, Landry Jones or any of the other potential first round draft picks. He illlustrated a significant event in Dolphins history when Don Shula could have drafted the Andrew Luck of that era in Heisman Trophy winner Steve Spurrier but instead elected to draft Bob Greise. Well, I think that decision turned out pretty good, don't you?

Besides, SO WHAT if all we drafted was offensive lineman that pushed defenses around and we did nothing but run the ball? SO WHAT? At the end of the day, a win is a win and at the end of the season a Super Bowl championship is a Super Bowl championship. I'd rather have low scoring wins and win a Super Bowl than high scoring losses and have to hitch my wagon to a team in the playoffs because the Dolphins lost yet again.

 

So Andrew Luck is not the "right man for the job" ?

 

Didn't you get the memo? He'll fall flat on his face and get destroyed. Or the other way around, I'm not quite sure about the order.

 

Andrew Luck is not Steve Spurrier.

 

If the Miami Dolphins next year adopt the west coast offense, then yea he may very well be the right man for the job. If we're not, you're going to be asking a tiger to change his stripes.

This is what GA was getting at when he said the right man for the job. If you have a certain offensive scheme, you draft the best quarterback that can already run that scheme. You don't get someone who's used to playiing in one system, then force him to change how he plays because you run a different scheme that he's accustomed to.

That's why hot shot college QB's like Leaf, George, Eason, Harrington, Leinart and Pennington (with the Jets) failed and why QB's such as Montana, Elway, Marino, Manning, Favre and Brady have bloomed.

 

Yea, you're right. Steven Spurrier won the Heisman and Andrew Luck hasn't.

 

If you think he can only succeed in a west coast offense then you must must disagree with the many analysts that have said that Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect they have ever seen. I can't imagine that the best quarterback prospect ever would only be able to play in one specific style of offense.

 

i think his arm strength is a legit concern and an absolutely valid talking point. at worst, if we happen to draft him, it will help us not be shocked and surprised when he floats the ball on occasion and gets picked off or can't quite rope the ball into a tight spot.

also, acknowledging a flaw in Luck's game will help our sanity if we end up taking the next best guy if we don't get the #1 pick

 

So I was talking to a SD fan and..............

 

Who cares about the Heisman trophy? I've never read or heard of any comparison between Luck and Spurrier, seems like a major reach here. Luck isn't a system Qb either, he's got the prototypical size and talent you want at the pro level. His arm can make any throw he needs to make to succeed in the NFL.

 

Since when do Heisman trophies equate to NFL success?

 

Matt Leinart laughs at this, then cries, then laughs, then forgets to pay child support, then cries.

 

And somewhere, Danny Wuerffel throws an interception while Chris Weinke fumbles his car keys.

 

It is mainly West Coast. I've charted and diagrammed the offense, as well as analyzed over 250 Lucks throws. But I'm not concerned about him going to a different system. If he can handle WCO, he can handle pretty much every other one.

 

I forgot this is the mains so the lack of comprehension is understandable but just for the record I did NOT compare Andrew Luck to Steve Spurrier! I looked back into our history, when we picked #2 in a draft and took a QB. The results were about as good as it gets!

Sorry I stepped on your Golden Boy's cape, I agree he is the #1 draft pick this coming year BTW, we just won't be the one's doing that picking!

Now go back to whatever it was you were doing!

 

Steve Spurrier > Tim Tebow