Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

No, it doesn't make the argument stronger because, frankly, he doesn't have an argument. No one - literally not a single soul - is claiming that the Dolphins should just ignore the HC situation. No one.

Batman's attempts to insinuate that the SFL crowd doesn't know enough football to identify the real problem isn't just insulting - it's completely fabricated too.

 

Let me throw that one question right back at you. If we don't get the number one pick, but get a REAL head coach in the offseason and are still able to draft what we need...even if it's NOT Luck, are we still a team doomed for decades to come?

Because that's all I hear from you guys. Luck, Luck, Luck.

Oh but the difference between say....the Colts with Peyton Manning....and the Dolphins with Dan Marino....when Marino went down for the season with his achilles tendon injury, we were still able to go 8-8 for the season. The Miami Dolphins TEAM was able to pay and win....where the Indianapolis Mannings...well, they're lost.

 

A sample size of half a season in the worst division in all of football doesnt hold up to the years of evidence showing that having a franchise qb is of the upmost importance.

 

Yeah. Like I said. He seems to think that picking one in the draft automatically precludes us from doing anything else to improve the team. In fact, having Luck puts us in a much better situation in getting the HC of choice

 

i think the argument is the impact of coaching and that you can win with Chad Henne or avg QB. I think you can. not a super bowl, but you can get to the playoffs

i dont see anything that says Sparano shouldn't be fired

 

In today's NFL, not likely.

 

Where did i ever say that. I think Barkley has a potential to be a franchise qb and would be quite content in having him as a consolation prize. But Luck is prize one and while we are in contention to get him i am going to be in hopes that we land him.

I really think you have such an animosity toward SFLers that you invent things to suit your case. Listen, we might get the 5 pick and get Jones and he might be the best qb ever and we might win 5 super bowls. But i think Luck is the best prospect out there, he gives this team the best chance going forward and im hoping we get him.

 

No, it's quite obviously not:

- Or we could get a real coach AND a real quarterback! You know, try to win a Super Bowl!

- It utterly amazes me how infanticimal some of you people's knowledge of football really is

 

that post is now deleted.

 

well the 49ers will be in the playoffs and i really dont think Smith is better than Henne

 

Yea, Marino never threw a pick 6 and we were never embarassed in a playoff game with him as our QB (62-7 vs Jacksonville 1999)

To compare the then Browns organization with the New England Patriots organization he was hired to coach is a ridiculous comparrison. The Cleveland Browns were in such SHAMBLES they left Cleveland nad became the Baltimore Ravens...or did we forget that? Robert Kraft built a successful organization from the top down which has made it easier for Bill Belichik to be as successful as he has been.

I believe the more accurate comparrison is Jim Caldwell and Barry Switzer. Switzer won a Super Bowl with the same pieces in place that Jimmy Johnson had. Caldwell didn't win the Super Bowl against New Orleans, but it's the same thing. He had the exact same team that his predecessor Tony Dungy put in place. The Colts have apexed and are now going to become the AFC's version of the Dallas Cowboys and spiral downward...unless Bill Polian can prevent that from happening.

Mod Edit: Don't Presume Someone's Knowledge of the Sport I'm not gooing to go back and dig it all up again, but I've illustrated it with statistics, rankings, ypg, etc the common denominator in Super Bowl champions hasn't been the almighty offense and the franchise QB...it's been the how high their defenses were ranked....to include this past Super Bowl with Pittsburgh and Green Bay's defenses being ranked higher than their offenses.

To continue arguing this is like arguing which is colder, ice or snow?

 

Wrong. Jim Caldwell is a worse coach than Sparano and Peyton made him look pretty damn brilliant for a couple years.

 

TDK what exactly is your argument here? You want a good coach - ok yeah we all do.

But I don't know why we can't have a coach and a QB? What are you trying to argue?

 

Interesting that you bring up those teams with Surtain, Taylor, Zach etc. Who was our coach, and who was our QB? Hmmmmm...

So we were competitive with an incompetent boob at HC, and a 2nd string QB in Fiedler. It's a testament to how great those defenses were that we even sniffed the playoffs, but what could those teams have done with a great QB? And, no, Fiedler did not "prevail more times than not". If he had, the Dolphins would have made it past the second round of the playoffs. Those teams are a PERFECT illustration of why you need a franchise QB.

 

You know what. I wouldnt even bother. After reading that thread about coaches not winning superbowls on two different teams and how devoid of logic his assertations were, i should of never even got into this with him.

He invents things, avoids questions and makes baseless assertations. I ask him if drafting one precludes us from addressing other needs. Does he answer it? No, he returns an irrelevant question back to me. He claims you can build around Fiedler. I say the guy loses playoff games for you. Does he defend Fielder? No, its well Marino lost in Jax.


I feel like im in a "i know you are but what am i" debate

Caveat emptor if you want to start a foot ball discussion with him.

 

your guess is as good as anyone elses. im done with it though lol

 

If we're waiting on Peyton Manning to help us, we may need to keep waiting

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/03/peyton-manning-says-his-neck-still-hasnt-healed/

If even Manning himself is questioning if he can ever come back, it's time to stop the delusion that the Colts won't take Luck if they get the top pick. We need them to win a few games, stat.

 

Yeah, he's not much for defending his viewpoints. At least 10 different people explained to him how his head coaches can't win superbowls with 2 teams theory was a fallacy but he never once attempted to support it with fact. And when it comes to QBs he's stuck in pre 2005 NFL, much like Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland.

But it's ok TDK, we still like you.

 

Someone here should send Peyton Manning a "Get Well Soon!" balloon.

 

Care to recant or are you going to stick to your story? Can't dispute facts.

 

^ It's responses like that have members pulling the hair out of their heads over your posts.

And once again you're using pre 2005 QBs to support your "case". The game changed drastically in 2005. You can't win the superbowl without a franchise QB.

 

Oh, and that "respectable" post season play by Fiedler? 52 of 99 (52%), 1 TD, 7 INT, a 4.9 AVG and a 41 rating.

 

A decent QB can get you to the playoffs by beating the chaff of the season these days, but when you run into a team with an elite QB ... well you get separated from the wheat.

I just don't get the argument AGAINST going for a QB. It's just so much harder to win in spite of QB weakness.

The last 8 winners have been Brady, Brady, Ben, Peyton, Eli, Ben, Brees, Rodgers. The past SEVEN YEARS the AFC has sent only three different QBs to the Super Bowl.

Yes TDK, we all want a capable coach as much as you do. But why does having a good coach exclude the desire to maximize your most important position? Its not like we need to spend a first round pick to draft a coach. It's not a situation of Luck/Jones/Barkley OR a better coach. It's a desire to have Luck/Jones/Barkley AND a good coach.

 

But wikipedia says he had a respectable performance lol

Am i making too big of a leap if i say that it seems that he believes that if NO, GB and Pitt had Chad Henne as their QB that they would of still won the super bowl?

 

Yeah, I'll take Frank Gore over Bush and a rookie.

 

No, I don't care to recant. His postseason record was 1-2

 

That was sarcasm. Check any of my previous responses to the "need to lose". Frankly its embarrassing watching "fans" root for their team to lose and stand behind the statement that a win will cost you Luck. Assuming Luck is all they say you can't guarantee the translation to the NFL game anymore than you can guarantee Cowher or Gruden could turn the team around. People laugh at this franchise as much for the fanbase as for the sorry *** team that is on the field. Lately its nauseating reading through some of this ****. Look at us we "Suck for Luck but you just suck". Wow what a goal to be the best at sucking because you know the future of this franchise is on getting Luck. Please hand me tonights Powerball numbers while you're at it all you Svengali's.

 

Go Chiefs

 

It's best just to ignore the superfans. The notion that people laugh at our fanbase is just made up nonsense. I live near Baltimore and I've never once been laughed at or accused of being a crappy fan or whatever. If anything people feel sorry for me for following such a snake bitten team. I don't feel I need the approval of self proclaimed superfans on an internet message board. In 2007 I was on temporary duty in Texas, I went to a sports bar every Sunday to watch the sorriest Dolphins team I've ever seen outside of this season. There would usually be a handful of other Dolphins fans there and the opponents of the team the Dolphins were losing to that week would always laugh at us. We also had to watch Packers fans cheering Brett Favre as he broke Marino record after Marino record. But every Sunday I went anyway wearing my Zach Thomas jersey. It's pretty easy these days to just laugh off these superfans, as if I need any of them to know how loyal I've been to this franchise.

 

Yeah I just hang in when they are good. Please share your pain since 2004 that I must have missed in my own misery. If we just lose 16 games it will fix everything. It won't even guarantee the 1st pick.

 

And nobody laughs at the Jets or Raiders fanbase, please. If wanting to win makes me some type of "superfan" I'm in. I guess what you want is to fall forward by failing. I think that was tried in 07 and didn't work out. Yes all you SFL'rs are the only fans who sufferred while the rest of us let it roll off our back. And yeah I'll question anyones loyalty when they want to lose. Your SFL cult likes to make it out that if you aren't on the "short yellow SFL bus" then you want mediocrity. Child please.

 

I came to a thread where someone is defending Jay ****ing Fielder.

What year is this? Someone is using Jay ****ing Fielder to support the argument why we don't need a franchise quarterback? Jay ****ing Fielder is the PERFECT evidence to why we DO need a franchise quarterback.

I am personally stunned that there is a single person on Earth that watches football who still under values the position of quarterback. Under valueing the position had merit 10 years ago, even then it was a little crazy. Sure, you can win a Super Bowl without a great quarterback. Too bad you need a generational defense, great special teams, a very good running game and a lot of luck. Since the rule changes you can not win without a quarterback and it will stay that way for the near future, at least with Goodell in charge.

 

It doesn't have anything to do with winning or losing. It has everything to do with people who feel it's their duty to log onto message boards and tell everybody else how they are supposed to be a fan of their favorite football team and how they are stupid, clueless, classless, embarrassing, or pathetic [I'm sure there are several I've forgotten] if they're not complying. I've been watching the Dolphins for over 20 years now and I don't need your help, thanks. Whether I want to fail forward fast, fail backward slowly, or fail one game at a time it's my business.

 

Go Chiefs

 

Superfans vs. SFLers. Love it.

 

Honestly. If you arent a SFLer, why even bother clicking on this thread, let alone tell us how we should root for the dolphins

 

They call us weak fans. But they're the ones longing to be placated by a meaningless win that hurts our future. SFLers are willing to endure the pain of losing today for a better shot of winning tomorrow.

 

You're assuming way too much. The biggest problem some have is they feel they deserve better just because their heart is in it. Try ATTENDING over 30 seasons of games and tell me you've endured it all...

 

We screw it up this week anyway and beat KC...colts lose out....and we lose out on luck.