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Vontae vs Marshall, whats going on?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfndav34, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Davis might not survive here after a year with a new coaching staff. He's consistently been benched, held out a series for breaking team rules. He hasn't been a full blown media frenzied headcase yet..but the potential (and reason he slid in the draft) is there.
     
  2. PhinsRock

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    Surprised? :lol:
     
  3. CanadianFish

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    Honestly Vontae and many other on this roster should want to rip Marshall's head off, the guy has no heart when he plays and for being one of the top paid receivers in football he isn't performing to that level at all. I'm glad Vontae is getting in his face, VD has been injured all season but at least when he gets on the field he gives it all he has. As for VD having attitude I love it...
     
  4. Another aspect of poor coaching, players misdirecting their frustrations onto each other instead of their opponents.
     
  5. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    1. I agree, this is a symptom of poor coaching.
    2. If forced to "pick sides", I'll pick the guy who doesn't drop TDs and run out of bounds on the way to the end zone. I wanna rip Marshall's head of too. At least Vontae cares!
    3. No Vontae and Merling helps us suck harder in KC.
     
  6. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Ohh just a veteran who is getting somebody for not being in shape, popping a hammy, and going to eventually have to be on the IR cause of it...

    Some of you Marshall haters take it to far, what Davis has done this year has been nothing short of gross, and thank God somebody is calling him out for it...

    I am starting to think we can add him along with Ginn to the crop of early round bust.....

    Ginn
    Henne
    White
    Davis?
    Smith?
    Merling

    And we all "scratch" our heads and wonder why Miami sucks to bad...? Pfft.....
     
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  7. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Wait. You accuse Marshall haters of taking it too far, yet you've already chosen to label Davis a bust?

    This is a guy that was labelled one of the best up and coming CB's in the NFL before this year began. But let's throw him to the trash heap because he's had a bad hammy.

    The fact is, none of us really know what the issue is here. Is Davis dogging it? Maybe, maybe not. The lockout has caused a rash of hamstring injuries throughout the NFL.

    Could Marshall be over-reacting due to his own personal issues? Maybe, maybe not.

    All any of us really know is that this team is a mess.
     
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  8. firedan

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    They should leave Marshall home too.That would save them a couple of dropped touchdowns right there.
     
  9. NJFINSFAN1

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...nvolved-in-altercation-with-teammate-marshall


    What does Marshall have to back up his trash talk this year? Both players have been bad. You can admit Marshall has been bad without being a hater, try it, it may make you feel better!
     
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  10. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Please show me where did label him that (hence the question marks)? I said I am starting to think that...point is he IMO isnt as good as the sounding board on here makes him up to be...again JMO.....

    They are 0-8, players that are you know are actually playing are mad, I get that...when you watch the Dolphins play, they arent laying down, the team plays unlike Indy....this isnt personal issues, lockout stuff, or anything.....this is Davis who came in out of shape period....it was covered in the media and on this board in the preseason, and then he pops it, gets benched and hasnt seen the field again...

    Players are demanded to stay in shape, and I know this is going to come as a shock but NO MATTER WHAT.....you can do other things besides going to the Miami Dolphins Davie facility to work out...with the money and time these guys have, it is actually rather easy to do so.....these guys can afford to go to Institutes that are actually better than the teams facility to work out offseason, and alot of them do....popping a hamstring is just unacceptable to me sorry....a tear, rip, seperation, etc sure....and if in the media it comes out after they put him on IR that it was something more serious, I will most certainly come back here and apoligize....

    But again I am glad that somebody is calling people out for lack of preparation...
     
  11. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Yes he hasnt been good....sure I admit that, either has Long, but at least they are out there....both practicing and on Sundays....

    Didnt work I still feel like sh%t.....:lol:
     
  12. Striking

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    I'm so happy we retained Tony Sparano.
     
  13. NJFINSFAN1

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    Where does it say he called him out for not being prepared? Could you not also argue that Marshall has not been preparing either with all the drops?

    This team has no leaders, and Marshall and Davis both have not earned the right to be ones.

    It all stems back to having bad coaches, nobody is ready.

    That being said we win today 24-10
     
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  14. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    We're sitting here debating which of our marquee players is more of a head case that hasn't lived up to his billing.

    What a fine mess Bill Parcells has been built for us.

    The entire team is dysfunctional.

    Come on Indy.
     
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  15. Southbeach

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    Where do you get the "being in shape" as the issue when no one has any idea what it was? Did you make this up or, have inside info?
     
  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Brandon Marshall is a douchebag.
    He deserves to have his head ripped off.
    Mediocre play from an over rated WR.
    The guy has done nothing but be a distraction since he walked into Miami.
    The next regime needs to kick his *** to the curb and bring in a true #1 receiver.
    What a fraud.
     
  17. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    How many TD's has Marshall dropped this season. He sucked here last season too.
    People who live in glass houses have no right to cast stones.
     
  18. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    What the hell are you talking about? He's never been benched, he hasnt played due to injury, and the reason he slid in the draft was a load of bull.
    And there is no potential for him to be a headcase because he has been a model citizen.

    Talk about blatantly making stuff up.
     
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  19. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Like Marshall , but differently perhaps , Vontae hasn't been the right answer either , and that has been a significant nail in the coffin as I see it. Vontae needs to hold himself accountable as well.
     
  20. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    With the number one pick , the Miami Dysfunctionals select ......
     
  21. Southbeach

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    Completely agree. There are more than enough Phins problems, which are real, to make things up. I've been seeing a lot of that, and cannot understand why.
     
  22. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Arrowhead is a tough, tough place to play , they have a very tangible home field advantage , I agree with all except I don't see Miami winning and would be really shocked by that score.

    I was going to go to this game but cancelled when it became evident on how the season would be at this point.
     
  23. mommabilly

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    Marshal will go down as another big mistake made by this regime. Like I said, I pray Ross gives him whatever we owe him at the end of the season and releases his assss
     
  24. Alex44

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    Marshall is 13th in receptions, 13th in yards, is averaging 14 yards a reception and has a 68 first down percent.

    Sure he's dropped a few balls but he is not the problem.
     
  25. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Marshall has 4 TD's in a season and a half.
    We need a true #1 WR who makes plays.
    Brandon Marshall sucks dude.
     
  26. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I just don't see how you can judge a WR and at the same time say we have no QB. Marshall has made some spectacular plays, even if they weren't for touchdowns. He is putting up the numbers WITHOUT a QB who can get him the ball. WR is one of the most dependent positions on the field. He hasn't even had a chance to really succeed because of other issues.
     
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  27. Southbeach

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    Yeah, he also is #5 in being thrown at, #1 in drops (dropped TDs should count more than 1), and grades out as the #48 overall WR in the NFL, as per PFF.

    "Dropped a few balls?" Are you serious?
     
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  28. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Marshall is a ****ing cancer. The next regime won't put up with his lack of production and his ridiculous drops.
    There is no excuse for his sorry *** anymore.
    He needs to gtfo of town and away from this team.
    I've said it all along that the guy and the hype is a big fat lie. It is all coming true.
     
  29. Southbeach

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    Vincent Jackson, D Bowe, DeSean Jackson, and Mike Wallace are all potential FAs after this season. I would take any of them over Marshall. IF we could do that, I would like to get something for Marshall via trade but, would go as far as just trading his contract, which is easily re-negotiated because of guarantees we paid, etc, and paying one of the four as our new #1.
     
  30. rdhstlr23

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    That's the problem. He was given that label by local media and fans. And it was completely driven by what Brett Favre said, a nice INT vs. Moss his rookie year and some big hit highlights. However, KC Joyner & PFF have consistently shown through their statistics that he's been a mediocre player for his first two years and this year he's tailed off even worse.

    It's time Miami fans realize that he flatly isn't that great of a player. Is he a bust? I don't think so. I think he's a nice #2 CB prospect. I don't think he's a guy you build your defensive secondary around. He's a complimentary player with the opportunity to put up a few nice years.
     
  31. jw3102

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    Davis has already missed games this season because of a hamstring injury. Even when he was playing, his performance was average at best. Of course on a team made up of basically below average players, his presence will be missed today against the Chiefs. As far as Merling also being left behind by the team for non injury reasons. He has been a complete bust since he was drafted in the second round and the Dolphins should just cut him.

    The Dolphins are becoming more and more a joke as the season goes along. Now even Jake Long is nothing but a mediocre left tackle who has given up five sacks in seven games. Ireland has done such a lousy job selecting talent as the GM, it will take the next regime at least three more years to make Miami competitive in the AFC East.
     
  32. Southbeach

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    Disagree Aqua. Being one of the top paid WRs in football, he isn't performing to that level at all is very accurate.
     
  33. rdhstlr23

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    For the record, I think Brandon Marshall has been a much better teammate this year than last year. However, the year isn't over yet for an outburst.

    He hasn't been the redzone player we needed him to be, or the player we thought we'd get when we traded for him and paid him that money. However, at this point, trading him shouldn't be an option. You're not going to get sufficient value for the guy and he does still bring a lot to the table.

    I don't think trading Vontae Davis is an option either. He's a nice piece to have on the team, but he isn't a cornerstone.
     
  34. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I don't think Favre was the only QB who complimented him. And no offense to PFF, but personally I'd take the word of QB's that's had to throw against him as opposed to PFF's research.
     
  35. Southbeach

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    We shall see. Contract extensions were not close with any of them, and I'm not sure on their teams using the franchise tag.
     
  36. Anonymous

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    There both at fault. This is what happens when your losing.

    That said, I blame this more on Davis than Marshall. If he can't handle a little trash talk, well..
     
  37. rdhstlr23

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    Nope. Favre was the only one that publicly commented on his ability. I'm sure coaches and other QB's say some kind words about them during media calls, but actually going out of there way to bring coverage to a player, only Favre.

    I'd take the word of the QB's who burn him every week too. That's what I'm basing my opinions on.
     
  38. Southbeach

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    [​IMG] Honestly Vontae and many other on this roster should want to rip Marshall's head off, the guy has no heart when he plays and for being one of the top paid receivers in football he isn't performing to that level at all. I'm glad Vontae is getting in his face, VD has been injured all season but at least when he gets on the field he gives it all he has. As for VD having attitude I love it...

    Here's the post you answered.
     
  39. Anonymous

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    Whaa?

    He has no heart? How do you know this? What about Vontae not performing up to his first round status?

    How about not getting on every other player who isn't living up to their high status? Like Burnett or Dansby? Or Bess?
     

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