The Official Blow for Barkley/Give a Handy for Landry/Whiffin for Griffin Megathread

I honestly don't see what's so special about Landry Jones. To me, he and Tannehill are about the same as passers, but Tannehill is very athletic like Matt Jones was at QB. I'd rather have Tannehill. Of the top 6 QBs assuming all the juniors declare, Tannehill would be 5th and Jones 6th. Neither one would extremely excite me if it is who we draft. However any of the other 4 would be something to get excited about.

 

What I like about Jones is he is a high volume passer in a tough conference who has had success in terms of accuracy and production, and his predecessor has had success in the NFL.

I like his frame as well, tall guy who can see the field well, which is my quibble with RG3 and Russel Wilson.

Same thing could be said about Barkley "but" I'm not a Sanchez fan, and there has been a staff change at USC and Kiffen has no track record of developing Qb's afaik.

 

Well I would say this Mr Clean, if you have a favorable opinion of Sam Bradford with the Rams, then your opinion of Jones should be at least that of Bradford, seeing how Jones has already broken all of Bradford's records at OU, has won two bowl games, one a BCS bowl game and is on track to possibly play for the national championship depending on the rest of the college season.

So...if you like Bradford and what he's been doing in St Louis, then you have no reason not to like Jones.

 

They're not the same player. They're built differently (one is a pumped up frail QB, one is a big mobile kid), they play a little differently. One is incredibly accurate while the other is accurate. I do like Jones for his super fast release.

I think if Tannehill had one more year we would really see a progression on the level of what Barkley has done. I wrote this in another thread already but he reminds me of what Hasselbeck was for Seattle in the mid-decade with more mobility. I'd happily take him in the late first round.

 

I don't agree with that logic. Bradford was IMO the best pro QB prospect since P Manning. College stats are not a strong indicator of NFL success, in as far as piling up passing yards and TDs goes. Otherwise someone like Kevin Kolb would be 1st team All Pro.

 

Nick Foles at some point deserves consideration as well due to where he's had to play and with what. He annoys me with his locking on to his WRs.

 

Foles goes before Barkley and Griffin in 2012 draft.

 

Not a chance ahead of Barkley. Barkley will go to Seattle at the latest.

 

I don't think so. Carrol has enough dumb QB decisions on his record. If he takes a QB, it will not be a decision based upon rekindling an old flame. Who knows though? I just don't think he's that dumb.

 

He's definitely kind of a wild card in this class.

 

At this point I'll take any of them.

 

This is what happened to the Chargers.

They all wanted Peyton Manning, but they won more meaningless games than the Colts. So they tried to trade up for Peyton Manning, and the Colts said there is nothing you can offer for the #1 pick. Not for sale.

The Chargers then settled for Ryan Leaf, hoping they would still be fine.

 

I think they really liked Leaf back then. I don't expect us to be in position for Barkley to be honest.

 

Hindsight's such a wonderful gift. Foresight on the other hand is a more difficult task to master

 

I agree they are not the same player, and if you are responding to what I said, I never said they were, other than what kind of passers they are, as in taking the snap, dropping back, survey the field and deliver the pass. For that, I don't see a nickel's worth of difference. If as a passer, Jones is top half of round 1 quality, then Tannehill is too IMO.

Matt Jones was a terrible passer as a QB which was why he was moved to WR in the NFL. Tannehill has played WR too coincidentally. As for the running, scrambling aspect from a physically similar player, I see that comparing Tannehill to Matt Jones.

 

[video=youtube;wJRpzbgRfaY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRpzbgRfaY[/video]

Chargers GM : "We would rather have taken Peyton. I talked to Bill Polian to see if he would trade that #1 pick, he wouldn't."

Thanks for playing.

 

I changed my mind I was on the Landry bandwagon (if not Luck) But now I'm on the Barkley bandwagon.

 

This is what I see happening. These other QB's are getting more attention since they are in the same draft as Luck. If Luck wasn't in this draft, nobody would be thinking about most of these guys in week 9 of the NFL season.

The Dolphins now F'ed themselves out of Luck. So they will reach and grab a QB simply because we need one. It will be a bust of a pick.

That's on par for the course for this franchise.

 

Man you had to bring that up didn't you? Look,the Colts are all in, they are going 0-16, they have quit on the coach and the fans. That team should be blown up and the coach should be fired for this season.

 

Jim irsay already went on the radio last week to defend Caldwell. He's not going anywhere.

Basically, this is how you tank a season. You promise your staff job security if they put their players in position to fail.

 

By far my least favorite Qb who will be in the draft, to me he is hot garbage, there are no redeeming qualities in his game imo.

 

I don't think he'll get fired but I do think he should get fired, he's not a top quality coach. You're going to need a really good coach to win without Peyton. Theres no excuse for how bad this team is and how much they have quit. They have no pride and the owner shouldn't be OK with it because their Qb went down. It would scare me as an owner to keep a staff together that has only won games because of a great Qb. They aren't going to have Manning for much longer.

 

If by this you're trying to say in a roundabout way that his career earnings will be more because he'll be playing in the NFL for an extra year rather than playing in college an extra year, then I agree.

 

Also a year closer to the big free agency pay off, with the rookie deals these guys get nowadays their first huge deal is their 1st free agent deal years down the road.

 

That logic is true...........BUT..........all of that depends on him going to a team that coaches him up to reach his potential so he is WORTH a big payday on his next contract. The one we take might be in a the worse situation since we havent coached a QB.....UP.......since Marino, and he didnt NEED much help.

 

Yea, and? My response to your post was that San Diego "settled" for Ryan Leaf and "hoped" they would be fine when in fact there was much debate as to who the better QB would be. If you CARE to explore the truth and enlightening your uninformed opinion, I welcome you to. San Diego didn't "settle". Did they want Manning? Yes they did but all indications from scouts and analysts were that Leaf was going to be just as good, if not better than Manning. Much like the debate that occured when Drew Bledsoe and Rick Mirer came into the league. ALL of the scouts and experts rated Mirer as the better QB and Bledsoe was just an average QB. Well, we see how that ended up didn't we?

Same thing is happening with Luck. You have all of these scouts and analysts chanting Luck Luck Luck and paying no attention whatsoever to the other QB's that will be coming out in the draft. These scouts, analysts and many posters in this forum have this frightening Viagra induced man crush on Luck and just completely dismissing the others in this draft class as well.

And keep in mind these are the same scouts and analysts who completely dismissed some 6th round draft pick out of Michigan named Tom Brady. These are the same scouts who said Sanchez was a better QB than Matthew Stafford...the same scouts and analysts who said Matt Ryan was a better QB than Joe Flacco when Flacco become on the 8th rookie in NFL history to start a playoff game and the only rookie to win 2 playoff games...the same scouts and analysts who said Jamarcus Russell was a guaranteed winner and was selected number one overall and Brady Quinn who was projected to be an early first round draft pick, falling all the way to 22.

I could go on, but the point is made...I put little creedance in what professional scouts and analysts say. I look at the players myself and not be a lemming following others blindly. Luck will get drafted early, perhaps number one overall....maybe even perhaps by us, but Luck's not going to be this savior that so many of you are about to commit hari kari over seeing how we....OMFG....won ONE game yesterday!!

Bottom line. San Diego didn't settle? No, they chose a top prospect, a Heisman Trophy finalist that was heralded and praised by the experts. Did they get who they wanted? No, but did they get in their estimation a great player? Well seeing how Leaf received a 4 year, $31.25 million contract (that's 1998 dollars) with an $11.25 million guaranteed sigining bonus...yea, San Diego was pretty pumped over what they got.

If you're going to re-write history, be sure you don't leave any trace evidence and not rely on a 5 second snippet from a 19 secon youtube clip.

 

So basically you're saying we don't need Luck because there's other highly rated QBs in the draft....and you use Leaf & Manning as your example???????????????

You really think that proves your point?

 

I agree with you 100% Rodney. Irsay and Polian put all their eggs in one basket with Manning. I find it unimaginable that a team is this poorly put together that should your starting QB go down due to injury that you can't continue driving on with the same game plan with a different QB...prepared and ready...to come in and take over.

Brady goes down in 2008 with a season ending knee injury and in comes 7th round draft pick Matt Cassel to lead the Patriots to an 11-5 record by playing the SAME GAME they did if Brady was still playing with Cassel leading weekly routs of opponents.

Marino goes down with his achilles tendon tear, in comes 6'6" Scott Mitchell and the Dolphins still managed to go 8-8 on the season.

There's absolutely ZERO excuse for a team that was in the Super Bowl 2 years ago to be completely winless just because they lost their starting QB. Curtis Painter has been with the Colts for 2 years already and should have been 100% prepped to take the reigns and lead the team in Manning's absence, like Earl Morrel did when Bob Greise broke his leg during the undefeated 72 season...but Painter wasn't even prepared. Irsay and Polian reached out to retired QB Kerry Collins to try and fill the gap. How utterly inexcusable!!

Have pity on whatever QB the Colts draft...be it Luck, Barkley, Jones or Weeden. That poor kid is going to receive zero coaching whatsoever and is going to get killed when/if he's ever put in the game.

 

Scanning.....scanning....scanning...

Nope I didn't say that at all.

And I guess you didn't read the entire post since there were more QB's mentioned than Manning and Leaf.

 

I like Barkley the best of the rest.

 

One can hardly blame him. I stopped when you claimed that every scout had Drew Bledsoe rated as an average QB and Mark Sanchez as a better prospect than Matt Stafford. You're either blatantly lying or absurdly ignorant of reality.

 

Except ALL the scouts and experts didn't rate Mirer ahead of Bledsoe.

 

Except ALL the scouts and experts didn't rate Mirer ahead of Bledsoe.

 

You DO know dont you that Rick Mirer was hyped to be the next Joe Montana, don't you? Having left Notre Dame with the record for most touchdown passes and 2nd all time in offense. You DO know these things don't you?

Or are you just disagreeing to disagree?

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here that either remembers these things...or reads.

 

I think you're remembering things a bit one-sidedly. There was a pretty healthy debate among scouts between Mirer and Bledsoe. The contention that Mirer was the consensus #1 inaccurate.

 

I've read your post 3 times now, and it seems the basic gist of it, is that Luck isn't the only highly rated QB in the draft.

 

No, I'm pointing out that your statements are evidently false. Rick Mirer was not the consesus #1 QB, Mark Sanchez was not the consensus #1 QB, and Jamarcus Russell was not the consensus #1 QB. I don't care how many records they broke or what they usually had for breakfast, these statements are wrong, plain and simple. You either need to get your facts straight before you post rants or you're simply lying in order to make a dubious point.

 

I'm in the pro-Barkley camp.

The concern you have to have with Jones is that the conference he plays in is a glorified Arena League. No one plays a lick of defense.