ALLEDGED - Penn State sex scandal prompts 2 resignations

Yeah, I just hope the catholics don't mind when we add joe paterno next to jesus on the cross.......

 

I don't think he should have been fired, personally.


What a crazy case. Never seen anything like this. To think he used his program to get victims is ridiculous.

 

They made the correct decision.

 

He should have resigned on his own.


Now we have a bunch of morons trying to riot (this ain't a riot).

 

No, I can understand the decision to fire him, what I do not like is the BS surrounding it, I can see several things that should have been done differently, at the end of it all though, Schultz, Curley and Sandusky, are the villians in my view.

 

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

 

"Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do." -- Voltaire

"May no act of ours bring shame." - Penn State Alma Mater

 

A good old fashioned riot is a good way to get out of studying this evening in Happy Valley apparently.......

 

Absolutely no reason for calling anyone a sad human being for having a different moral POV than you. He didn't commit the real crime. IF it were up to me, I would have just let him finish the season and retire.

And what I really dislike is how people are saying "don't feel sorry for Paterno, feel sorry for the molested children." Can you not feel sorry for both? I can feel more sorry for the children, but still feel sorry for Paterno.

Look, I'm all for the real criminal being smeared across the television set and letting him rot in prison. That's Jerry Sandusky. It's pretty clear that the main reason why Paterno is getting so much heat for this is because of his resume as head coach of Penn State. Maybe had the police charged Sandusky back in 1998 for showering with that 11 year old boy instead of letting him get away with nothing.

This is being treated like a black and white situation, but it's really not. The one thing that is black and white to me is that Sandusky is a sick human being.

Now please... jump on me because I have a different opinion than you on this situation...

 

ESPN is taking it as their own...... Jeff Darlington broke the story.

 

When McQuery kills himself, you can feel bad for him. I will not.

 

And I'm somehow off the rails? Yea, ok.

 

I disagree about firing him but I do agree about the BS surrounding it. Although I cannot blame the people who feel the way they feel. At the end of they day, they care about the kids who were sexually abused.

 

Hmm, is "Rioting in Happy Valley" like "Gentlemen, there is no fighting in the war room"?

 

h, personally I would have let him finish out the season, but ultimately the Regents have to be more concerned with Penn State then a single staff member, that means Paterno had to get clipped.

 

Despite his coaching resume, Joe Paterno didn't call the cops.
Despite his coaching resume, Joe Paterno didn't try to expose the cover up.
In a way you're right, it is because of his coaching resume he is taking heat. Because, me personally, I thought he'd be better then this. But most signs seem to point to the fact that he participated in a cover up, and he looked the other way.

 

The trustees ruled apparently and they know Joe is 81.
Time to move forward. That chair presser was ridiculous...

Two birds one stone.

 

Had he not said anything to his superiors I would 100% agree with you... I just don't feel like it's as simple as saying "he participated in a cover-up."

Look, Paterno should have definitely done more and even he says that himself... But he's not the real criminal in my mind.

 

Yea it was.

 

Uhm, yeah he did, they lied to him.

And how, exactly, would he have known there was a cover up to begin with?

Magical Coach powers?

How so? More magical coaches' powers?

 

No one I have seen has put him above sandusky. I would say that defense , to be honest, is just a desperate attempt to take heat off of paterno. I have yet to see anyone say he is worse then sandusky.

 

I'm sorry, but how could someone witness such a horrible act and the only thing they can think to do is tell Joe Pa. Even if your afraid to kick the mans ***, how can you not speak out (or act out) and call the police. Joe Pa did not do enough, but it should have never come to him. It should have been reported by then.

 

He went to the AD but in his old age covered up a kid toucher.
Inexcusable.

 

Trevor Madich(sp?) said JoePa (among others) was worse/more or equally to blame as Sandusky.

 

Still trying to compare campus cops to city officers I see. Awesome. Not to mention that even if you want to hold them as equivalent, which most are only on campus, he had options. Something you still won't admit too.

Coming from some one who seems to think anything having to do with police officers involves a cover up. How do you ascertain that? Your magic poster powers?

How so which part? The part you already addressed and said the same thing, in which case your statement makes no sense, or the part where I said I thought he'd be better then this?

 

The Paterno defenders are awful. I'm sorry. He placed his legacy over justice for those boys. You can spin it however you want, thats reality.

 

That one has me a bit confused as well, in the GJ report the next day Paterno and McQuiry went to Schultz or Curley and told them, then one of them told Paterno that they had investigated, weeks later, and had contacted child welfare, and they had come up with nothing.

Meanwhile, Sandusky admitted to the 2, on tape, that he was raping a ten yr old in the shower, but they never told Paterno that he had said that to them.

This is one of the reasons why I'm sympathetic to Paterno, in the GJ report, those two said "they couldn't recall who they talked to" ie, Paterno and McQuiry, the Grand Jury saw right through that and indicted them for perjury with Paterno and McQuiry as the star witnesses for the DA.

 

Uhm, they carry guns, can arrest you and file charges with the DA.

I read the report and know they were both indicted for lying about it to Paterno, in the long run, they lied to Paterno, but could not explain if they lied to him why they never, actually, you know, reported it to the PSU PD (who handles on campus sexual assualt claims) or Child Welfare.

So they lied, and the GJ disbelieved them.

He's but a man Lucky, my oblique reference was to FinD's comments about Paterno, but the same thought holds true, "better then this", when he was lied to, he bought it, his fault for trusting his bosses.

Personally, for me, no way Sandusky walks out of that shower looking the same way as he did walking into it, but that is just me.

 

This has now gotten insane. They are breaking **** and flipping cars.

 

To be fair I don't think protected was a good choice of word. Enabled is what I would consider it. Unless you feel Paterno was actively involved in the cover up. I don't feel that way however. I just feel he made a monumental mistake that he's paying the consequences for.

 

I think he could do a lot of good if he can say something to calm down the crowd, not saying he has the ability to do so, but I think it would help.

Also hearing the seniors are going to boycott the game, and hope they do not.

 

Becoming apparent PSU didnt give cops heads up they were announcing the firing tonight. You havent called Cops for 15 years, why start now?

 

They shouldnt because for 46 years that program was cleaner then the catholic church. And because of 1 dingbat that gets taken down and forgotten about despite the fact that Paterno has sworn statements to a grand jury that are consistent with his original statements that he didnt know the extent of this. The people who deserve to be fired are gone but Paterno wasnt one of those who deserved to go unless its on the basis of moral culpability

 

Eh, supposed to be more allegations coming out about Sandusky's "charity" and more child rape, nice.

Just in time for thanksgiving!

Snarky comments aside, believe ti or not this thread is one of the reasons why I hang out forums as much as I do.

Sports is supposedly "entertainment" or "escapism" and it fascinates me that 1 gm a week, and the people involved in them can raise such, emotions, consideration, what have you.

More then likely none of us will ever meet this people or even midly befriend them, or even rebuke them, and yet the effort that goes into such subjects is simply amazing to me.

I have deep empathy for the children who were abused, but also the cynic in me thinks

1. by next week, this will be passe'

2. when they sue and the settlements are paid out, then the sentiment will be "well at least they got some money, messed up for awhile, but at least they have that"

3. Nothing will change in any meaningful sense of the word.

To my way of thinking, the real unsaid in all of this, is what in existence could ever make Jerry Sandusky rape children?

What could make Curley and Schultz think they could and should cover it up?

Why didn't that graduate assistant go to help that young boy?

These to me, are the things that I'd love to know, but never will, none of us will, in a year this will be long gone.

 

Moral culpability IS the reason he's gone and rightfully so. For a man who's made a career of preaching morals to his players, this is pathetic.

 

Ba-zing! Too soon?

 

The word "sex" creeps you out?

 

Not sure if those in favor of firing Paterno see the dilemma. Suddenly a country that prides itself on being guilty only if you've broken a law becomes a moral beacon of the world? **** I wasn't aware the script flipped back. I thought we were still in the cold, nobody gives a **** about what you do as long as it's legal culture.

 

This is way more than 46 years of FB bull **** or how clean his program might or might not have been this is about the lives of young boys taken from them by someone in authority over them and others knowing yet doing nothing other than going to their bosses! How about the police, the FBI, hell the local newspaper! Better yet, grab a BB bat and stop it when you see it!

Joe Paterno is party to it, morally, he knew something illegal happened yet only reported it to the AD! Even his former players are saying that it was common knowledge of the 1998 janiter report yet Joe knew nothing, yeah right! If he is deaf and dumb and sightless!

The very day we as a society can not or will not protect our children we are pathetic!

 

The crime we are talking about is so paralyzingly disgusting that, if Paterno were in any way deserving of his reputation as a moral beacon, he should have reacted with outrage, gone straight to the authorities after the University did nothing, and demanded action rather than being passive. I feel sorry for everyone who has ever gone to Penn State, a great university, but what happened here is that the football program, a major cash cow, became more important than the victims. The University administration, Paterno included, lost sight of doing the right thing for money and the perpetuation of an undeserved reputation. It failed its student body, all its alumni and, more importantly, those children. The Trustees firing Paterno and the president is too little, too late.