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Food for thought: Best FA Qb class..ever?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    The owner is already on record as saying he wants a franchise QB.

    The owner has to put asses in the seats and find a way to make the franchise relevant again.

    The owner will most likely be a part of any interviewing of a GM or head coach.

    If any interview candidate, be it GM or head coach, tells Mr. Ross his plan for upgrading the QB position is to sign one of those, He probably won't be long for consideration.
     
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  2. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Padre, JESUS H CHRIST, let the Vince Young thing die. 30 Teams said NO to him as a starter or backup due to his lockerroom cancerous antics, some even preferring Tavarais Jackson and Jason Campbell, while the one that had him ostracized him and cut bait wanting nothing in return but him gone.

    The team that took him has a system where they have a wildly inaccurate boneheaded run first QB, so Vince made sense shoud the starter inevitably become injured.

    Have you ever divorced yourself from the stats and realized "Hey, there may be a reason noone wants this guy?"
     
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  3. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Absolutely. Considering that QB is a position where teams rarely let true quality see the light of freedom, a bunch of mediocre QB's could make it a good FA QB class only in relation to what has come before.
     
  4. PHINANALYST

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    what i am most curious to see (and read) over the next 6 weeks ... is how much praise Moore is going to get if we win - say, 2 more games out of the 6. Not knocking the kid, TBH - he has rarely gotten a fair shake his whole life at QB, if you read his BIO ... and he wouldn't be a bad guy to have around as a back-up -- but I can't envision him as a mentor and teacher ... he still needs that.

    Regarding Alex Smith ... IMHO Harbaugh drafted who he wanted - but knew CKap wasn't ready to step in ... see what happens when you actually have some good coaching and some talent around a QB ... Smith was worse than Henne on his worst day -- now he is working on a potential long term contract (with either SF or some other team, who will surely step up and pay him).

    I would keep Moore, resign Henne and draft a QB (Jones preferred) ... and see where the chips fall -- maybe, just maybe we'd be in a pretty good position since Strock was a back-up.
     
  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Exactly. I usually want the owner to have nothing to do with football decisions, but I have no problem with Ross telling whatever coach or GM he brings in that they had better make QB the priority it deserves to be.

    And for everyone who keeps mentioning Alex Smith, I know it's usually the case that the QB makes the head coach look good, but at some point in time I think we need to credit Harbaugh and his ability to get good play out of whatever QB he's had in any coaching situation he's been in. The same can be said of Andy Reid I think.
     
  6. rdhstlr23

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    The only situation worth monitoring in my mind is Peyton Manning in Indianapolis. There have been rumors that Peyton will request a trade or ask to be released if they draft Andrew Luck. Plus, I can't envision a situation where Bill Polian pays Peyton and Luck.

    Off topic, but the rookie wage scale really hurts Miami here. Imagine if Luck could cost crazy money. The Colts couldn't wrap that kind of cash into 2 QB's it would force their hand. Now, they can keep both.

    I don't know if I would trade a slew of 1st round picks to get Peyton either. Miami needs youth there and needs tenure and stability. While you can take the best of glass half full outlooks and you only come away with 5 more years of high quality football at the QB position. Losing 2 years of 1st round picks would be killer. As a FA, there is no way he comes to Miami. He wants to win and be with familiar faces. No way that's here in Miami. My guess, as much as it pains me, the Jets would find a way.

    Right now, the best outlook Miami has is a QB depth chart of 1st round pick, Matt Moore, and whomever.
     
  7. Coral Reefer

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    Personally I'd consider this a very weak FA QB class.
    I know you love Young but I see him as a backup and no more.
    Garrard is pretty much done.
    I can't see the 49ers letting Smith walk. He's managing that team quite well right now.
    Orton as many stated in the preseason is no upgrade over Henne.
    Drew Brees is going no where
    No thanks to Campbell.

    Honestly I'd rather resign Henne or Moore than entertain any of the QB's avail.
     
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  8. Starry31

    Starry31 Phins and Heels.

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    No telling where we'll draft, who will declare, etc. but fine with this scenario as I really like Barkley. Wasn't a fan of Moore being brought in and he's still not amazing, but he can be the backup and start until Barkley (or other first round QB) is ready. Similar to A.J. Feely and Bradford, we know Feely isn't great but he's capable in that role. Let Henne walk, Moore has one more year under contract I believe, and spend the first on a guy like Barkley.
     
  9. dolphinkev

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    Well Matt Flynn is a unrestricted free agent next year and we know back-up Qb's from green bay have done good in this league. names like brunell,brooks,warner.
     
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  10. Jaj

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    You might be on to something with Flynn. At no cost draft pick wise on a reasonable deal. 26 years old and saves a pick that would go to an unworthy QB prospect for a guy like a Trent Richardson. Interesting.
     
  11. schmolioot

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    What makes Matt Flynn more worthy than a first round QB?

    One pretty good game against NE and a whole lot of nothing besides that?
     
  12. Jaj

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    He's also got a heck of a record when he's been given the chance to be a starting QB. Won a national title throwing 4 TDs to 1 INT injured throughout the year, played accurate, smart, good football in his first start against New England, and he's young. Even in that senior year that people look down on him for he was a 21/11 ratio QB in a tough SEC playing injured throughout the year. All I hear about the dude are good things and he's been working on the release issues and any questions about deep arm strength for a while now.

    Guys like Tannehill, Foles, and the like can be found in every draft. They rarely ever workout and I'm starting to become a little disenchanted with them as late first or early second round picks. If the team misses on Barkley or Luck, I'd rather spend that first rounder on a difference maker, not another QB that gets into the first simply because some team desperately needs a QB. I want the real thing (Luck-Barkley) or paying nothing. None of that in between crap.

    What makes him more worthy? He costs money and that's it that's what makes him worthy. Heck at least he's won something in college and one good start against New England is better than any rookie QB.

    Again I'd take him for cash over Tannehill+Jones and those guys for a first.
     
  13. schmolioot

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    Matt Flynn was a nice college player and played well in his lone start, but I have no idea how he projects any better as a long term every week starter as compared to guys like Tannehill. Tannehill absolutely has more physical talent than Flynn.

    If we miss on Luck and Barkley (which we won't know until after Matt Flynn has been signed) then we move on to the enxt best prospect. We are going to keep doing this dance until we find our guy. Next year we'll be talking about Osweiler, Keith Price, etc. It won't end until we invest in somebody.
     
  14. Jaj

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    What makes a college player? He's actually very athletic running a 4.65, has solid arm strength, and he's well built. Russ Lande is pretty high on the guy. Tannehill is a little taller, quicker laterally, and probably has a tad stronger arm. That's not exactly earth-shattering.
     
  15. schmolioot

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    If we ended up with pick 10 or 12, I might agree with you, but we're still likely to be in the Top 5. You either take a QB there or trade up to secure one of the top guys.
     
  16. Jaj

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    Oh I agree with you hundred percent. If you can get one of those top guys sure. A number of us though are starting to look at WRs, RBs, and just overall franchise talent. Rarely do you see a team force a pick at QB and succeed. They tend to drop into their lap when they don't force it.

    My friend, I'm going to pretty pissed if we draft a mediocre QB instead of Trent Richardson. Man that would be ugly.
     
  17. jw3102

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    My view of free agent QB's is that if they were actually good enough to be a starter in the NFL, the team they were playing for now would not have allowed them to go free in the free agency market. For every one Drew Brees who is a success after signing as a free agent QB. There are at least 50 other free agent QB's who fall into the Gradkowski category.

    I don't see any of the free agent QB's coming out this season being any better than Gradkowski in the long run. Smith is effective playing for a team with a strong running game and a dominant defense, but I think he will revert to the QB he was before this season, if he is dumb enough to leave the 49er's. Orton is a mediocre QB who can lose a team as many games as he can win for them. Young didn't have a lot of interest from teams around the NFL when he was a free agent this season and I don't suspect there will have a lot of interest after this season. Garrard has a severe back problem and his career was on the decline prior to this season. He may be an okay backup for a team but not a QB you would want as your starter. Henne is what he is. A strong armed, inconsistent QB, who can't get the job done for four quarters. I don't see him being anything but a backup QB for the rest of his career. Fitzpatrick is supposed to have already signed a new long term contract, so he will not be a free agents.

    Matt Flynn, the backup for the Packers will probably be the most attractive free agent QB. He has received excellent tutoring with the Packers and he was very effective in his one start against the Partiots last season. At this time Drew Brees is still listed as a free agent, but I just don't see the Saints letting him go. If they can't sign him to a new long term deal, I would assume they would just name him their franchise player.

    I really don't see any QB. beside Brees, that I would want the Dolphins to go after. I would prefer they stick with Moore and draft a QB in the first round, for the future. I think Moore has shown over the last two weeks that he is just as good as any of the other QB's coming out in free agency, except Brees, and he is already signed for the 2012 season.
     
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  18. RoninFin4

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    Regardless of whom the quarterback is, drafting one is the pure and simple best answer to help the Miami Dolphins get better. Would I prefer it be Andrew Luck? Damn straight I would. But drafting Matt Barkley, Brandon Weeden, or Landry Jones is still better than any free agent option. I mean, have we really not learned anything in the 15 years since Dan Marino retired? If you want to win in the Roger Goodell Football Leauge (i.e. what the NFL has become) you pay a premium to get a QB. It's time the Dolphins do so again...I mean, they haven't done so since before I was born.
     
  19. mommabilly

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    I cannot believe anyone with an ounce of football knowledge could list any of those QBs. This is, by far, the worst QB FA classs/period I have seen in decades. When Henne was listed it really made me laugh. Chad Henne, always was and always will be a backup, at best. Moore may not be Johnny Unitas but the more he is on the field the more I see I would take him over Chad henne anyday of the week.

    Kevin Kolb is another example of stupid decisions made by football teams and bad insight by fans. AZ signed him for 63 million and when they did it my first thought was Marc Bulger, Part Deux. Fitzpatrick has already been resigned and it remains to be seen if he is even going to be worth the money they spent on him. Smith from SF will be resigned by SF if they keep on their course and if not. it will be a hard decision to give him the contract him and his agent will be looking for.

    2012 is perhaps the worst QB FA period that I have seen in many many years. Henne will be lucky to sign a one year deal with any team that takes a chance on him.
     
  20. Kud_II

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    No, draft B QB A in the first round, and throw him out there right away. I'm not particularly a fan of learning from the bench method.
     
  21. MAFishFan

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    if you're even considering that steaming pile of FA caca, might as well go into next season with Henne and Moore and keep plugging the mediocrity machine......draft, draft, draft, draft,draft...FA QB's and Miami are like oil and water
     
  22. Springveldt

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    I'm with you here. If the Saints are dumb enough to not re-sign Brees or give him the exclusive tag then I would be all over it. Brees is still good for another 5 years I would imagine, more than enough time to find a young guy.
     
  23. padre31

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    Same owner who said Chad Henne is a Sb Qb and as good as Marino?
     
  24. padre31

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    SF is 8-1, they will franchise Smith if they must to keep him, the #2 on CKap means nothing at this point in time.

    As for MMoore, as I've said, he is on a nice run, but does not produce enough Td's, lost in the win on Sunday is Moore consistently had excellent field position on the Redskins side of the 50 and produced no passing Td's, you are not going to consistently win without scoring Td's in that situation.
     
  25. padre31

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    And here is a name with less starting experience, but huge upside who will hit FA if they choose to:

    Matt Flynn
     
  26. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Do you honestly think he believed that?
     
  27. schmolioot

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    He never said that.

    He said he hoped Henne would become the enxt Dan Marino and lead us to a SB. Maybe stupid to say, but what else should he have said. "We hope Chad Henne is above average and leads us to a .500 or better record"?
     
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  28. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Exactly. You might need a new car, but until the time comes where you can afford to get one you make every effort to squeeze whatever you can out of the one you have.
     
  29. MikeHoncho

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    To think if the Raiders had not made that awful move for Palmer he'd also been on this list of studs for us to choose in the offseason...
     
  30. Phyl

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    I read this post expecting it to be from six months ago. The fact it's from yesterday is mind-boggling.
     

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