Skyrim

I don't think you'll like it if you didn't like dragons age

 

Paul, have you Played any of the Fallout games?

 

No Paul, this isn't for you.

 

Just started tonight. And because I pressed the wrong button, my character's name is "prisoner". Anybody know if I can rename him? Guess it's not a big deal if I can't.

Having a riot so far. Went with a highborn elf. Doing 1 handed weapons and casting spells with the other hand.

 

I think you are now forever prisoner.

 

That was like 30 seconds in to the game, why not restart? lol

 

Probably didn't want to watch the intro sequence again.

 

While I like the game I feel it could of still been better with some work, thieving is still way to damn easy. Animations are better but could still used some work. The game is only 6gb and games are breaking 13gb that are not open world. I feel they could of added a lot more to the game, but because of xbox is likely why they didn't put to much more because of disc space.. i miss games being made for pc.

Also i feel the User interface is absolutely horrendous, i have to pause game so much to just change things up drives me out of the immersion of the game. Then you got archery which is beyond easy i mean i just aim at them and i get them pretty much no skill needed which ruins my character a lot was expecting more challenge at shooting.

Overall though well worth the money, just feel they could of done a bit better.

 

Blasphemy.

 

Or spend another hour designing my character... Prisoner it is!

 

Then you probably shouldn't play this or any RPG. Most of them take time, and have a lot of reading. If you couldn't get into Dragon Age, I don't think you'd get into this either. Throw in that it's open world so there's a lot more running around than in Dragon Age as well.

 

Dragon Age and Skyrim are fundamentally different games. Dragon Age is a story driven, dialogue heavy hardcore RPG with elaborate combat mechanics. Skyrim is a sandbox. Sure, you can read every book you chance across, talk to every NPC you meet and spend hours trying to figure out how to skill your character. Do you have to? No.

With Dragon Age, it can take you up to five or six hours just to finish one story quest. In five or six hours of Skyrim, you can finish a main quest, slay a dragon, join the thieves guild, buy a house, clear a dungeon, craft yourself a new sword, become a werewolf, and then some. I'm not sure if Skyrim is for Paul, but I certainly wouldn't say it isn't just because he didn't like Dragon Age.

 

If you enjoy the running around in a free, open world in Assassins Creed and being able to basically kill whoever you want you might enjoy Skyrim. If you've never tried an Elder Scrolls / Fallout game before I think you owe it to yourself to give it a chance. They really aren't exactly comparable to any other type of game and you won't know if you like it or not until you try it.

 

I like the game but im not blind to its problems. I feel if you would put a team like the team behind assassins creed with exact same overall game design you would end up with a better product in the end.

 

I wouldn't want any other team besides Bethesda working on these games.

 

Thier the best in a game area that no one even tries to make games anymore. I mean who's their competition? Two World horrible games, risen another really blah game, oo maybe gothic.. er nope. I am sorry but wait till medieval style RPG's make a comeback you will see I was right when someone makes a game that dethrones them fairly easy. Bethesda relies on the community to keep their game thriving not their own work. I just don't see why all the praise for them they produce a solid product yes, but always filled with bugs and thats been since oblivion maybe earlier, you talk to a lot of game developers many feel the same as me that while they are a good team there is much better ones out there.

 

You're entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that Bethesda makes completely unique games that I enjoy. I've never played anything like them. A few bugs here and there, sure. But it doesn't stop them from being one of the best video game experiences I've personally experienced. Which is why I wouldn't want any other developers making the games. Let Bethesda do what they do best, and let the other gaming companies make games like Assassins Creed, which are very good games in their own right but completely different.

 

Im not saying thier bad but tell me a few things.

Skyrim Archery - Could it be harder than just pointing than shooting?
Sword Combat - Back peddle and swing work fine for beating dang near anyone, is that the best that can be done?
Stealing - Shutting a door and takign a item standing up without sneaking in mid day couldn't be done better?
Dragon Fighting - The dragon worries more about killing my horse than me 90% of the time.
User Interface im sorry but should speak for itself, most loyal fans are not happy with it even.
Magic - What happened to making our own spells?
Assassinating I did dark brotherhood and i killed in complete stealth and no one seen me then i had guys " You need to come with me! "

They are unique yes and i have put in more time in skyrim than most of you i had a week off just to play damn near 3 days straight if not more and loved it overall, but in that time I played in awe and skepticism because nothing gets better without critisicm.

 

I'm not far enough to comment yet. Last night was my first time playing. Once I get further, I'm sure I'll have some minor criticisms which I'll, of course, share. But from the little I've played I know I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this game.

 

Bethesda is pretty good at the whole sandbox experience. Massive world, tons of content, a million things to do. They aren't, however, particularly good at making this content memorable. The narratives are flat, the characters one-dimensional, the world quite often implausible. Their games are still fun to play, but they distinctly lack a soul, so to speak.

I'd really love to see a more talented team - say Bioware - take a swing at the sandbox RPG sub-genre. The open world concept of Skyrim/Oblivion and the story-telling of Mass Effect/Dragon Age is a combination I should like to play.

 

Exactly! I'm glad im not only one who thinks this.

 

But don't you think that the reason for a lot of this is due to the pure volume of the number of characters? I mean, yeah there are tons of games with more "soul" and more memorable characters, but usually those developers have that luxury because they put many less characters that you can interact with in the game. I think it's almost a necessary trade off. Can you imagine if all these characters in Skyrim had unique and great voice acting and amazing dialogue? What company has the time / money for that kind of production? If it could be done, sure, I agree with you both 100%. I'd love to play that game too.

 

I would guess that I'm about 40 hours in. I haven't gone after a game like this since Final Fantasy VII. Even Fallout 3 couldn't keep my attention for this long.

After playing this pretty much non-stop, here are some of my thoughts:

• Even with the limited size of the game, it's still fantasy done on an epic scale. The level of detail, especially to armor and weapons, is unparalleled.
• For example, just being able to zoom and examine objects in the load screen. It's these little details that set Skyrim apart.
• There are some very underrated side quests. My favorite thus far are the Daedric ones, including one that puts you smack dab in the middle of The Hangover: Skyrim.
• The game is a bit glitchy. I've found my game freezing on loading screens, especially if I'm bringing along my small army (Follower, Dog, Horse). The solution to this is to go solo, which I'm okay with.
• I have inadvertently killed my Follower, Dog, and Horse in the middle of a dungeon. Really wish we could turn on friendly fire or something similar.
• Smithing is extremely underrated. I took my Smithing skill from the low 40s to the mid 70s last night simply by hunting animals, and creating leather armor. This in turn allowed me to craft significantly better armor. You can also mine the ingredients for said armor, which is much cheaper than buying the stuff from shops. My glass armor looks quite nice. If you are using the Warrior Stone it goes up even faster.

I do have some questions:

• I want to join the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild; in doing these missions will I cost myself standing within the Holds? Or am I okay since they are quest related? My plan is to start good, turn evil, have a change of heart, and save the world.
• Since my guy is a warrior, I haven't looked into this, but how does Enchantment work? I'd like to electrify all of my weapons.
• What's the easiest way everyone has found to get cash? I've been looting dungeons and taking the most valuable items, then fencing them across Skyrim bit by bit. It's a bit slow as I can't carry as much as I would like and the shopkeepers only have a limited amount of gold.

Oh, and Paul to answer your question - if you don't like immersive open-ended games, then I probably wouldn't pick this up. If you have ADHD (like I do) you may find the game just too overwhelming to play through - you can quite literally gain a dozen quests just by entering a new hold - though if you have the patience to go through it you will be rewared.

Based on what a lot of you are saying about Dragon Age, I plan on picking those up at some point - they sound awesome. But that won't be for awhile, I would guess.

 

Frankly, if I can play 100 hours on a game that I spent $60 or less for that makes it one of the cheapest forms of entertainment these days.

That said, skyrim sounds an awful lot like oblivion in terms of just gameplay/types of missions and grinding and little depth of story. I love rpgs but I never got through oblivion even with near-100 hour plays. Just seemed like a quantity over quality thing at times. But I'm sure I'll still get the game sooner or later

Honestly how much can we expect from a product that they only charge 50-60 dollars for? The things these companies create are pretty crazy considering the budget

 

I fee like there is a lot less grinding in this game as opposed to Oblivion. So far I have been rewarded for the dungeons I have cleared in the form of learning a new shout.

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Ven, the way enchantment works is simple. Go to an enchanting table and disenchant some of your magic armor or weapons. This destroys the item, but teaches you the spell. Then you pick a new piece of weapon or armor, pick the spell to enchant and use a soul gem to enchant it.

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My interest has been maintained since probably the 2 hour mark. I'm pretty sure you can fight your first dragon in four. Maybe you should rent it from a redbox for a few and see if you like it.

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I played for the 3 hours I had last night and had a blast. I'll do the same tonight. You can get a TON done in 4 hours with this game.

Only thing left to do to find out 100% if you will like it is to just buy it and give it a spin for yourself. If you don't like it trade it for something else. Enjoy!

 

No. There's no actual good vs. evil system. Unless you get caught, you can do whatever the hell you want; steal, murder, you name it. At a certain point, a random NPC will hire a band of thugs to teach "that thief [insert character name here] a lesson" - but that is pretty much it. Amusingly enough, in my case the thugs were hired by the little girl from the very first village. I don't usually kill civilians (well, not unless the Dark Brotherhood asks nicely) but rumors have it that a certain little girl from a certain little village went down with an acute case of battle axe.

Vendigo's 5 rules of making money in TES games:

1. Only loot stuff that has a weight of 2 or less: jewelery, scrolls, potions, robes.
2. Don't loot weapon/armor unless they either a) are very light or b) have an echantment on them that you really want to disenchant. Even if they're valuable, the weight/value ratio is almost always bad.
3. Sell to the right vendor: The potion lady in Whiterun has 500 gold (sell all potions to her), the general goods guy usually has 750-1.000 (sell the other stuff to him). That's 1.500 gold per trip with only two stops.
4. Speech is bad. The higher your skill, the longer it'll take to unload all your loot because the merchants will run out of money quicker. Always sell in bulks and don't train speech.
5. Wait/sleep for 48 hours to restock the vendor inventories and money

 

In work 50 hours a week and have a two year old so my video gaming time is severely restricted. That being said this holiday season there were a lot of games I was seriously intrigued with and Skyrim is one of them. I'm still working on Dark Souls and also figured I will do Arkham City before Skyrim just because I know I can finish it a lot faster. Still you guys have me seriously jazzed to start this one.

 

Dragon Age is a huge tome: an epic fantasy story that requires time, dedication and attention to detail. Skyrim is like a giant volume of short stories, losely held together by a pretty simplistic narrative: you can easily finish one or two or three a day.

 

My review so far, now at Level 6. Probably 3-4 hours in total.

On my travels to High Hrothgar to speak with the greybeards.....I am awestruck as I wind my way through the mountain passages. Never before, has just winding up along side a roaring river that descends from above been so enjoyable. Tucking my warrior close to the rocky shelf....I listen for the howls of wolves, or the occasional flurry of birds that might signal something dangerous ahead. What Bethesda has done...is to be able to transport those that are willing to take the time and immerse themselves...to a fantasy world unlike anything I have experienced, and that includes Dragon Age, of which I very much enjoyed. Here....you want to watch the entire cut scenes....as they unfurl in epic fashion. You want to stand and listen to a conversation going on, because...they arent like the typical NPC cookie cutter discussions.

Of course...anyone can blaze through this and enjoy it. For those who want to drink in everything Skyrim has to offer....your sure to find yourself pining for the dark misty mountain paths as you tread your way through work in your real life. I just found a Meadery.....I can actually brew beer in this game!!!

 

I would too, however that game would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make.

 

I was attacked by thugs during a mission where I was the leader of an army. They couldn't pick a worse time.

 

Not really. Skyrim has the truly expensive bases covered already: engine, middleware, level design, artwork, animation. Add a group of talented writers (you'd probably be appalled by what they make) and top notch voice acting (you'd probably be even more appalled) and you're good to roll.

 

Still would have to program and test it.

 

Certainly. But they had to program and test Skyrim, too. My point is that the stuff that usually makes Bioware games so memorable isn't expensive. The stuff that makes Skyrim fun, however, is. If you've got money for the latter, you can do a combination no problem.