The SFL campaign disgusts me. It may be absolutely sensible for some. I'm not debating the logic, and it may well be occurring in various measures throughout the league, I just don't want that stigma associated with my team, regardless of how long it rides in the gutter. Blame it on ESPN, the local media or this fandom's general lack of concern, but this fanbase and franchise was allowing itself, with complete disregard to sink knee deep in SFL notoriety, and the more commonplace it became, the less of a fan I wanted to be. If this team loses, so be it. I'll welcome any pick our record ultimately renders with open arms. My allegiance to it, is built entirely on a sense of pride I associate with it, nothing less, nothing more. I haven't waited 30 years, for this team to lose itself into contention, nor would I want any rival fan believing I would. For myself, its all about pride, I'll never follow another team, I'll simply lose interest in the sport.
I enjoy watching this team win. Hell, if Matt Moore turns out to be on the level of Fitz I almost would say we could stick with him. Matt Moore has the opportunity of his career right now.
I don't care if we end 8-8 I don't want Moore back. Let's not forget we played the Deadskins. I'm sorry but 0 TDs, 1 INT and 1 Fumble does not thrill me. It also doesn't considering he played well for the Panthers at the end of 2009 and then was abysmal in 2010. By the time the draft comes, it's 12 years since Marino retired and we've been watching mediocre QB's since then. Don't settle for less. Just watch Aaron Rodgers...strive to hope you can find a QB who can do what he can or at least come close and be a top QB.
Right now this franchise's players are playing for pride which is good for them but bad for us considering most of them wont be here next year and we are playing right into another middle of the road draft pick leaving yet again with no QB to run this team most likely. I love my Fins by if we were going to play with pride i wish we wouldnt of had to endure 8 weeks of whoopin's to decide we wanted to play for pride.
The only scenario for me that justifies Sparano looking to be retained is if he finishes with a better record than last year..especially if he gets it done without his starting QB.
I think at this point we still need to address the QB situation through the draft. I would take the best QB available reach or not. There are some nice offensive linemen available through free agency. Mainly Carl Nicks and Benn Grubbs and I think we can get one of them. Our defense could clearly use a safety and I think we look for one in the draft because there really are none in free agency. I feel as though we are a good coach and player or two away from being a very good team. Lets see where this season takes us. I'm a Sixer fan for basketball and back in 2006 that team led the race for Kevin Durant/Greg Oden. They decided to start playing for "pride" and it landed them a continuing path towards mediocrity. Luckily Miami is a major market for free agents, so I think the Fins have a better chance to right the ship.
Quite honestly, If we can't get Luck or maybe Barkley, I'd rather use our pick on Justin Blackmon and trade a pick to the Packers for Matt Flynn and turn our offense into Green Bay South.
Me personally... Tanking for Tony... As in tank the season so that we can finally get rid of the Antichrist!
No. Just no. He shouldn't be kept for any reason. I think it's clear to see that this team has massively underachieved, quarterback issues aside.
I'm starting to warm up to RG III. If this kid officially comes anywhere near his supposed measurements of 6'2" 220 and puts on a good show in workouts I think you might see him start to shoot up the draft boards. He'd be a work in progress, and may have to sit a year or so, but he has the smarts and the work ethic to succeed. To me, he's more of a risk than someone like Barkley, but he may also have a higher ceiling. Iron his game out and his accuracy and athleticism might leave him in the company of someone like Steve Young.
The most reasonable post I have read in some time. The idea most fans have that we spend our #1 pick on our QB regardless and our QB problems are solved and then we will be a winning team is ludicrous. Until Miami improves the OL, WR, OLB and S positions a young QB is going to join a long list of young QBs drafted in the 1st round that have gone to a bad team and has not made a difference. Newton (who has played well), Ponder, Gabbert, Locker haven't made much of a difference in wins-losses. But then looking at the Bengals who didn't waste their #1 pick on overrated QB and took Green followed by Dalton in the 2nd round are 6-3 and would make the playoffs if it started this week.
Do consider who Cincinnati has played, and who they've lost to. There's no guarantee a player like Dalton is going to be sitting at the top of rd. 2. The Miami Dolphins probably know that better than anyone.
Who they have lost to is @ Denver by 2, a 5 point loss to SF, and this weekend to Pitt. They are 4-1 on the road including Seattle (who have beat NYG in NY and Balt) and have beaten Buffalo and Tennessee who both have winning records. Are you saying that Cincy would be 6-3 with Gabbert, Ponder or Locker at QB if Cincy went that route in round 1 and no AJ Green?
Their defense has a lot more to do with their success than either Green or Dalton. That defense just took a huge hit losing Leon Hall for the remainder of the season. And they've played some pretty weak teams - they're this year's 2008 Miami Dolphins. They've got Baltimore and Pittsburgh again within the next 3 weeks. Let's see how they do against them. I'll give Green and Dalton credit, they're playing better than anyone expected them to...but look at Dalton's numbers against the Steelers this past weekend. And to compound that, Dalton would be having even less success playing where Ponder and Gabbert are. Locker has yet to set foot on the field, so I won't comment on him. I think Cincinnati will crumble in the next few games. As I said, there's no guarantee a player like Dalton is sitting there at the top of round 2. Miami probably knows that better than anybody with all the 2nd round picks traded for and invested in quarterbacks.
If anyone is still unsure about who to suck for... YOU CAN SUCK FOR ME And remember...mean people suck, nice people swallow
I agree with most except I won't lose interest in the sport. SFL promotes a loser mentality that breeds a negative environment for players, fans and the organization. Why in the world any Dolphin fan would compromise their loyalty is beyond me. Now that it has failed that crowd just looks more and more fair weathered. It's a shame that some people don't understand the meaning of good and bad, through thick and thin. I guess it is easier to give up and not be dedicated than it is to fight through and weather the storm. I know who the SFL'ers are here and they have totally lost my respect as fans. I no longer consider them to be real fans.
Generally agree with what you are saying but I also feel the QB in the NFL is the position that probably takes longest to adjust to. You get your rookie QB in there and let him take his lumps his rookie year. By year two you should be addressing all those other needs. The one thing I do feel you need (that we dont have) is a good OL. Gotta protect the young QB IMO. However, I could see Miami DolFans collectively exploding at one time if the Fins take an OL with their first pick... no matter if it is another Jake Long.
Is it just me, or are the Florida Panthers now getting more buzz than the Dolphins? And the Marlins are being very aggressive in MLB free agency, generating more talk than any other baseball team...and I don't even follow baseball all that much. Your move, Dolphins. They're already getting their lowest attendance since the merger...I can't wait to see what they do in free agency and if they have the balls to trade up in the draft should they win a few more games. Gotta roll the dice to win, if they aren't even in position to draft the top 2nd/3rd QB prospect they better find a way to get up there. I'm sure Ross knows all this though, he can't be too happy that "South Florida's biggest party" is everywhere but in Sun Life Stadium.
for want of a nail a horse was lost for want of a horse a battle was lost for want of a battle a war was lost think about it, the order of things makes a difference adultery by one or sixteen is adultery. we have been betrayed! what we need is the proper resolution to this arrangement a new & promising start awaits us with the right draft winning will not help the franchise, losing is our way out of this mess
A team that went through a major house cleaning(I think half of them are in their first year as a Panther) last offseason.
started with watching luck's games and highlight videos, then moving on to Barkley because I knew we weren't getting Luck, now it's time to watch Weeden and Tannehill...and for whoever suggested this is a "good FA QB class" you have to be out of your mind. Garrard. Please. Smith. Please. Henne. Dear god. Young. Please. The only one that is "interesting" is Flynn. This season has been an emotinal roller coaster. Decent start against NE then the losing piled up and I got mad. then I looked at it as losing only meant better pick and chance at a potential franchise qb. now 2 wins in a row and the nervousness of "they're going to screw the pooch" and win 6 games has me nervous. at this point i'm getting to the i don't care point....i want barkely, i have no interest in moore as a long term solution...if they lose out, great if they win out, eff me...i can't control it, so i guess there's no reason in stressing over it...this organization is clueless so it's a stretch to think they'd get this right anyhow...so keep winning, keep ireland and sparano and a crap to halfway to avergae qb...it will be great to be a consistant 6-10 for years
I brought his name up earlier in the thread. And the more I think about it, the more I want to go in that direction. We aren't getting Luck now. And everyone else is kinda "meh" imo. I'd rather get Flynn for a mid round pick and use our 1st rounder on Justin Blackmon. Dude is gonna be the next great WR. Flynn has been learning under Rodgers and McCarthy, that alone makes him promising, and no more of a risk than anyone we'd draft. I'd rather roll the dice on Flynn and draft the sure stud and give Flynn lots of weapons......Blackmon, Marshall, Bess, Bush, Fasano.
Please...Green and Dalton have been a big part of the Bengals success this year. Had they spent their #1 pick on Gabbert, Ponder, Locker or Mallet (what some Miami fans wanted our #1 pick spent on) the Bengals aren't close to being the team they are with Green and Dalton. As far as playing some weak teams that is how most teams build their record...beat the week teams and split with the good ones. The Bengals have lost to the 5-5 Broncos, 8-1 Niners, and 7-3 Steelers. They have beaten the 5-4 Bills, and the 5-4 Titans. In comparison, the Steelers 7 wins include Seattle, Indy, Tenn, Jax, and Arizona. Teams make the playoffs by beating poor teams and splitting games with good teams. Happens every year for most teams that make the playoffs. As far as Dalton against the Steelers. The Steelers are #3 against the pass. Most QBs don't have good days against them. Keep in mind Green hurt his knee after scoring a 36 yard TD in the 1st quarter. Who knows how Dalton would have done with Green healthy all game. The Bengals may have won. My point is I don't understand the mentality of most Dolphin fans I see posting. There is an assumption Miami "has to" spend their #1 pick on a QB no matter what as if this magically solves our QB problems. I say B.S. ... If Miami does its due diligence and finds a QB to be the best value when it picks then so be it. But drafting a QB in the 1st round has FAILED more than it has succeeded. Particularly for teams that don't have a quality OL and poor group of WRs which Miami has both. Miami may be much better off drafting Blackmon or Broyles in the 1st round and Moore or RGIII in the 2nd round (or sign Flynn) than draft Barkley or Jones in round 1. Some of the greatest QBs have been found outside of round 1. Montana 3rd round, Brady 6th round, Favre 2nd round, Brees 2nd round, Warner undrafted... And then there is Drunkenmiller, Leaf, Couch, Smith, McNown, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Losman, Campbell, Young, Leinart, Russell, Quinn, Sanchez, Bradford, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder (22 of the 40 QBs drafted in round 1 in the last 15 years) who have basically sucked. In fact, there are ONLY 4 of the 40 QBs drafted in the 1st round in the last 15 years who have won a Super Bowl...P. Manning, E. Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Rodgers (who knows how he would have fared if he was thrown in to start his rookie year). Only McNabb and Grossman are the other QBs drafted in round 1 in the last 15 years who made it to the Super Bowl. So only 6 of 40 QBs drafted in round 1 in the last 15 years have made it to the Super Bowl. I am not saying Miami "shouldn't" draft a QB in round 1. I am saying that is NOT proven to be a guaranteed formula like most fans seem to think. Hopefully, whomever is calling the shots in the draft are open to exploring other possibilities that may be better alternatives for Miami. Heck, 4 of the top 6 rated QBs this year weren't 1st round draft picks...Brady, Brees, Romo, Schaub. But 4 of the bottom 6 rated QBs were 1st round picks. Throw in Hasselbeck and Fitzpatrick and 6 of the top 11 weren't 1st round draft picks.
If the Dolphins win four or five games, as some on here think they will. This would probably mean that the Dolphins will be drafting behind the Colts, Redskins, Browns, and Seahawks. If these teams do happen to draft before the Dolphins, there is a good chance the Dolphins will not get any of the top rated QB's in this years draft because all these teams will select either, Luck, Jones, Barkley, or Griffen. These are the top rated QB's as of right now and the Dolphins could now win enough games to drop behind all the above listed teams in the 2012 draft. Some have called for the Dolphins to draft Weedon, but most pre draft lists don't have Weedon going in the draft until the third or fourth round. The rest of the QB's listed in the top ten are not expected to be drafted until the third through seventh round of the 2012 draft. If the Dolphins lose out on one of the top four QB's, there is a very strong possibilty that the Dolphins will NOT draft a QB in the first round and that will likely mean that the Dolphins will remain a bad to mediocre team for several more years to come. The Dolphins desperately need a franchise type QB to build for the future and if they don't get one in this draft , we will continue to have the same type of team in Miami we have had for the last decade. I understand the fans desire to see the Dolphins win all their remaining games or at least the majority of them if possible, but the fact is that the Dolphins are not going to win enough to make the playoffs but they just might win enough to lose out on all the top tier QB's in the 2012 draft.
I say screw Suck for Luck or whoever it is now! Last sunday was not the prettiest game but I still enjoyed cheering for a Dolphins win and it was great to see them come out on top, as opposed to hoping for a loss. I'll be cheering for a win this Sunday too. Win or lose I always want my team to give its best effort, whether or not we get Luck or whatever other QB everyone thinks might be the next star.. If they give their best effort I can live with that, and I will always enjoy seeing them win. The only bandwagon I am on is the Miami Dolphins Bandwagon. Maybe we should call it the JWB; "just win bandwagon" Does no one else think its silly and utterly ridiculous than fans are debating on wether their team should win or not?
No your on the 2nd victory in week freaking 10 bandwagon. I'm on the make the playoffs win some Superbowl bandwagon.
Hey call it what you like but losing is never a good habit to start and anyone who loses on purpose shouldn't even play. I mean how do you even rationalize losing so that you can draft a guy who has never even played a down of NFL Football. I mean if there was some crazy rule that by losing meant we could some how get Aaron Rodgers then maybe I would have to rethink my philosophy a little (but probably not). I mean, you play games to Win, it really is that simple. The worst team should get the first pick not the team loses on purpose, that team doesn't even deserve a pick at all IMO, who would even want to play for that team? So stay on that Super Bowl bandwagon if you like but remember you actually have to win games to get there. Luck apparently can't get his team to the NCAA National Championship game but you already believe he gurantees us a Super Bowl! Man Please!
You don't have a higher chance of getting a franchise Qb with a lower draft pick, I don't get why this argument gets presented every year. Bringing up once in a lifetime flukes like Brady doesn't make it likely that passing on the Qb position early will get you a Brady. More than likely it will get you a backup or a bust. The best talent goes early. Is it guaranteed? Of course not, but the greatest Qbs were more often than not high draft picks. The new rookie salary cap will create a run on the Qb position like we saw last year. I know it was the first year of the salary cap but did anyone really think Locker, Gabbart, Ponder would ALL be gone way before 15? We sat there thinking one of them would fall and they didn't and we didn't want to "reach" now we don't have a Qb. Great thinking by the staff. Teams that sit on the Qb position and hope one falls wind up watching the great talent go somewhere else. The approach you are suggesting hasn't worked here so I don't get it. We need to either trade up or take one of the 2-3 highest rated Qbs on our board (if we are drafting high enough) this next draft. We don't have a Qb, we need one, its priority number one until we get one.
Yesterday I took the opportunity to watch the four top QB's in the 2012 draft play. While my first choice would still be Luck, because I think he has everything a QB needs at the next level. I have changed my opinion on the order of the next three QB's. Before the games yesterday, I was hoping the Dolphins would draft Jones if they can not get Luck. My third choice was Barkley and Griffin was my last selection. After watching Griffin yesterday, I have totally changed my view of where he should be drafted. If the Dolphins have the chance to draft Griffin, they should take him over either Barkley or Jones. He has a great arm and he has the type of speed at QB not seen since Vick came into the NFL. As a long time fan of the Dolphins, I would love to see Griffin in a Dolphin uniform next season. If both Luck and Griffin are off the board when the Dolphins turn comes, I now prefer Barkley over Jones. Both of these QB's have strong arms and should be good starters in the NFL, but from I saw yesterday, Barkley appears to make better decisions than Jones when the defense applies pressure on the QB.
Hahaha, they've had a losing habit the last 3 years, but what ever your mind's made up let the Dolphins win some more meaningless games to appease you and let's neglect the qb position with a lessor prospect continue the cycle of mediocrity.
When I talk about making it habbit I am talking about embracing it. There is a reason that when you lose a few in a roll it seems to get more difficult to win and when you win a couple the wins seem to come easier. We are seeing that now. But like I said the worst team should get the first draft pick not the one least committed to winning. When you lose on purpose you aren't going to get winners to play for you. When you lose on purpose, you become Losers! But I know I'm not going to change your mind and you are most definetely not going to change mine so we can just agree to disagree. I am glad to know though that the team I wait each week to watch is still trying to win, even if some of their fans don't want them to.
we need a pro bowl player in the first. doesnt matter if its a QB. stop focusing on QB. If we get a pro bowl quality WR, OT, OLB, FS, TE or RB this team will benefit greatly. Right now we have solid players at most positions but we lack pro bowlers. I would rather get Blackmon or Kalil then roll the dice on the 5th best QB in the draft
