Matt Moore might be a bad QB, but he is better than Henne.

MMoore has far better touch then Henne did, he does not have Henne's cannon arm, but he is a Maddux like thrower

 

To all that think MM is a better QB than Henne and play surrounding them has nothing to do with wins and losses , more power to you . Maybe Miami unearthed a diamond in the rough that will solve the QB chasm once and for all.

 

Not in the games where Moore has played well. Some of you will hang on to this idea that everything was Henne's fault forever, I suppose.

 

And that Henne was the reason for the poor coaching and being unprepared and now there is no reason to change management or coaches.

 

I really don't give a **** who's fault it was to be honest. Our QBs didn't play well when they were pressured? Shocking. Who does? I just know that in the past three games Matt Moore has thrown for six TDs and one interception. Has Chad Henne ever had a three game stretch like that in his career? Our offensive is scoring more points with essentially the same pieces in place. Maybe Matt Moore will suck again on Thursday, or in a week or so. I don't know. His ceiling sure looks higher to me from where I'm standing. Nobody is saying 'hey we're good now, no need to draft a QB.' Just that we seem to have a better player under center than we did previously. In two plus seasons of Chad Henne starting it was always something. Chad Henne will never wear aqua and orange again. He will be some other team's backup. I guess we can argue about why no other NFL team can see how everything else is holding Chad Henne back.

 

Update for Thursday: Dallas was exposed a little bit in the center of the field today and Matt Moore is a very strong thrower towards there off of the PA. Miami has a number of ways to exploit the Dallas defense and Miami's size and blocking scheme match-up well against the Cowboys. I could see a big day running up the middle against Dallas. That could help tremendously in keeping Dallas' offense off the field.

 

I wish Henne all the best, but Moore has shown he can score TDs. I was on the Henne bandwagon until the end, but I admit I was wrong. It just took Moore some time to adjust to the system.

Maybe Henne can lead a team like the Seahawks to the playoffs. Then I'll be happy for him.

 

Wait. We're still making excuses for Henne?

you're either good, or your not. Henne was no good. Even when he played well he never really played that great. Matt Moore now has at least two streaks going on where he plays lights out. His last time in Carolina and now. Henne doesn't have that at all. Moore has started what, a little over a full season now, combined.

Jay Cutler runs for his life but he's played pretty frickin decent. No more excuses. I like how all of the problems that weighed in on Henne, except Henne himself, magically reverses. Is Matt Moore the answer? I don't know. All I know is I ain't taking Henne over him. Ever.

 

I think it comes down to which of the two will take less money to stick around and be a caretaker for whoever we draft at QB in the first round.

 

Why would it come down to that? Matt Moore is already under contract for next year and knew he'd likely be a backup when he signed here, while Henne is a FA.

 

I believe Matt Moore will still be under contract next season so this is a no brainer. You just keep Moore and probably start him through next season and the end of his contract unless the rookie beats him outright in camp. I can't see any scenario where Henne returns.

 

At this rate, we won't draft a QB at all.

 

With their first pick, the Dolphins pick Defensive Tackle ...

 

I would throw up.

 

Well im thinking we end up with 5 or 6 wins so were picking 10-12 prolly luck and barkley will be gone if they come out so were looking at a reach on a qb or hoping blackmon is still on the board or maybe go the db from lsu Morris Claiborne though I doubt he slides that far.

 

Coaches and preperation magically get better when Henne is not quarterback.

 

I don't think there is much of an argument for Henne apologists. Henne is very talented, but Moore is much more productive.

 

I disagree with that analysis. All QBs may play worse under pressure, but Henne pulled off a couple of 90 QBRs this year against more pressure than anything Moore has faced. I don't believe Moore would have been even close to that under the same circumstances. Citing the TD/INT ratio after games where our defense is providing short fields and our offensive play calling have improved is just poor analysis. As for what vet we have next year, who knows. I have never argued that Henne was a franchise QB, just that he was better than the other non-franchise QBs that everybody clamored for. And watching the games this year, Henne is a better QB than Moore.

 

I don't see how you can say that Henne is better than Moore. I honestly don't see how.

 

A month ago, no question about that. Now it's starting to look like that may not be the case. We'll have a much better picture of course after the final six games have been played and we can see some more games against higher quality opponents.

 

Some people make their decisions and then spend the rest of their lives trying to validate that decisions. Some people believed that Henne was a good quarterback and it was everyone else's fault.

 

The team is more productive since they benched Jones, got DT back healthy, started using Bush more effectively and started getting turnovers. I actually think that the biggest change is that our team was really out of shape after the lockout and took a long time to round into shape. As for Henne, I have said since we drafted Henne that he wasn't a franchise QB, but it is just ridiculous to pretend that Henne this year was operating under the same circumstances to start the year that Moore has now.

 

No, you won't have that picture b/c all you've seen of Henne is the years under Henning and three games with no protection, a poor game plan, a horrid defense and an out of shape team.

 

Its just too bad Henne didnt stay healthy and end this debate once and for all...

 

Nothing like punching yourself in the nuts

 

i rest my case

 

Great post, Raf.

Added: it's not like a new offense will settle in within 3 weeks or that Daboll can run the new offense at its fullest potential after having a limited offseason and only 2 games of seeing his players in action.

The play calling is improving. The offense is gelling. Players are better understanding their roles. Execution is better. Protection has been better.

Plus, things are much easier on a QB when his defense limits opposing offenses to zero TDs in 3 straight weeks.
It's also easier when he doesn't have to throw for 275-400 yards to have a chance to win b/c his defense is now creating turnovers, short field opportunities, and scoring TDs off blocked punts. It also helps having the fumbleitis & redzone dropsies minimized.

 

Yes all that stuff helps a QB a lot. You know what else helps? Skill and playmaking ability.

 

You're right. Henne showed none of that against NE or Cleveland while in the infancy stage of a new offense. <sarcasm> If the defense played against them the way they're playing now and the offense weren't falling apart around him, Henne would've been lauded for his play.

This is 3 weeks in a row that the game was NOT fully put on the QB's shoulders. That's the difference! Tell me the last time Henne was afforded that type of situation.

 

This is hilarious.


I told you all along that if this TEAM can start playing the way they currently are that a QB (Henne) can play well here..... but you and many others said I was "making excuses".

Now that Miami is doing the things as a TEAM in the same manner that I described was needed, you're now giving the credit to the QB rather than the team.

So basically, my "excuses" for Henne that you disallowed are the same excuses that you're using to build up Moore's status. LMAO. Can you be more hypocritical?

 

It couldn't be more clear that Moore>Henne, but arguments will still exists .... unreal

 

Jones started today and since he's come back healthy has had more reps than Culver even when Culver was announced as the starter. Thomas being back healthy is great but he's been by and large pretty adequate, so his presence isn't exactly "game changing". Yes, the team has performed better, causing more turnovers, utilizing Reggie Bush, etc. And he's, Chad Henne's circumstances earlier this year were different than Moore's now. But, you're looking at it from the perspective of 10 games in 2011. Chad Henne couldn't get out offense into the endzone. He was involved in many games where Miami gave him great field position, but we settled for FG's. I mean Chad couldn't even stay turnover free. We are seeing production now that Chad Henne never gave, not when he had the #2 rushing attack in 2009, not when he had pristine protection in 2010, and not when he had the same tools Moore has now. You can continue to fall back on the Henne isn't a franchise QB line and that's fine, but that's not the argument so I'm not seeing the reason for mentioning it. However, there is no denying that Moore's last 3 games have been more productive than any 3 game stretch of Henne's career--31,20,28 offensive points..that's awesome

 

It's nothing remotely close to clear b/c the variables around the situation are completely different.

The only thing unreal is fans who ignore the fact that surrounding variables greatly impact a QB's play. Moore has been a benefactor and has played well under these beneficial circumstances. Henne was far from afforded such a luxury.

 

Agree that in theory the offense should gel more as the season progresses, but why dis the offense never progress under Henne throughout 2009 or 2010?

Also, it's alot easier to play defense when you know you don't need to hold a team to 15 points because that is what your offense averages. Jason Taylor even said it today, they've made the last 3 opponents one dimensional making the defense fun and much easier.

Chad Henne played in games where he was given short fields. He was in games his defense held opponents to low point totals. The fact remains--he never had 3 games like this in terms of offensive production and he never won 3 straight games, which fair or not is how QBs are judged.

 

DAN HENNING. Enough said.

Pristine protection? Where is that from? During our 2010 late year losing skid, Henne was one of the most sacked and pressured QBs in the NFL (even with mass protection, which is terrible when you have few receivers running routes), and during the start of this season the same held true. What's happening is the offense is now gelling under our new offensive coordinator and we're limiting the errors. The offense also is not having to play for a win during it's last possession of the game b/c our defense is closing out wins like they should've been doing all along.

 

Who cares at this point?

This is what it has come to. Arguing the merits of two thoroughly average QB's during a 3-7 season.

Just ridiculous

 

I'm sorry the Dan Henning reasoning is an excuse. The offenses scoring output was the same with Daboll. Now, all of a sudden they're scoring at will and it's everyone else doing it? I mean at some point you call a spade a spade. In this case, the turn around is clearly coming from the solid QB play. It's night and day. Don't underestimate what the confidence in your QB does for the players too.

I mean Moore struggles with the same things, Brandon Marshall dropped another TD (his 3rd with Moore now), but it doesn't affect him.

 

We might have been still in the suck for luck camp!

 

Dan Henning.
Henning didn't allow Henne (or anyone for that matter) to progress b/c he was such a freakin control freak who wanted full say so over everything. Remember his disgusting ego where he felt that everything was about "execution" which basically means he wanted to be the chess master running the show. Henne had no chance of progressing b/c Henning never gave him the ability to be an actual QB. When you're a puppet merely running the plays that are called and not allowed to develop the cerebral aspect of your game or the full arsenal of the passing game (limited downfield opportunities, limited scoring opportunities once inside the 35, few routes going away from the QB for YAC opportunities, lack of playmaking ability, and constant use of 5 step drops and related routes), there's very little chance for development & progression.

Henne was in very few short field opportunities the past 2 years, and the ones that he was in during 2010 usually resulted in runs or passive attempts at points b/c conservative Henning loved his FGs.

Henne never had 3 games like this b/c he's never had 7 games under a new OC who would "allow" him to have games like this. That's the issue. There's no way that Henning would've allowed more to play to his potential like this. Never would've happened. Henne looked good with Daboll even though our line wasn't blocking, the offense wasn't gelled yet, we were fumbling & dropping passes, and we were still in the early stages of learning Daboll's new offense. That can't go understated. Now, I don't think he'd be an all-world QB right now, but IMO he'd look night and day different than he did in 2010 after having time to settle into this new offense in same manner than Moore has been afforded.