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Operation: Rainfall gets some attention

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by Desides, Jun 28, 2011.

  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No, it's not a game, it's a campaign. Specifically to get Nintendo to release Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower in the US.

    And Wired has a great, accurate headline in their coverage: Nintendo's Game-Killing Policies Alienate Biggest Fans

     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Eh, I've long given up on the system. I may still get Skyward Sword, but not for a long while.
     
  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    This isn't about propping up the Wii, it's about getting Nintendo to stop ignoring a specific genre. Nintendo's barren release calendar for the rest of this year is adding insult to injury.
     
  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    It's not about propping up the Wii, at least not intentionally, but this certainly wouldn't be as big of a deal (IMO) if the release schedule weren't so barren.

    If they really want to have Nintendo stop ignoring RPGs then someone needs to take out Reggie.

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  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Disagree. This would be a big deal even if there were, say, Super Mario Galaxy 3 on the release calendar. This is just the latest incarnation of a group of Nintendo fans angry with the way Nintendo is treating certain properties. This goes back all the way to Mother 3 and earlier.

    Agreed. Or at least put enough pressure on NoA to show that there's money to be made. That's why the Amazon preorders are a big deal.
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Oh, it definitely got some attention:

    https://www.facebook.com/Nintendo/posts/126089684142160
     
  7. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yep, I saw that. It's hilarious that Nintendo has put itself in this position. They're basically saying "No, core gamers, we don't care about you and the games you like. But come back in 2012 and we'll be all about you after you buy a Wii U!" No, thanks, Reggie. I get the point, you don't want my money. Okay, that's fine, I won't give it to you.

    Anyone want to buy a slightly used Wii?
     
  8. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;c-_yZvmzLOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-_yZvmzLOQ[/video]
     
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  9. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    LOL. That was awesome!! He owned Nintendo while being slick and cool about it.
     
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  10. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    BAM.

    Xenoblade Chronicles announced for US release. Preorders through NoA begin December 19, Gamestop taking preorders now, release date TBA 2012. (Gamestop lists it on April 2.)
     
  11. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Watch it fail horribly. :lol:


    I'll get it eventually (hopefully after gamestop drops the price) and play it on Dolphin.
     
  12. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    It could be a flop, sure. But if it is a flop, I hope people don’t realize that until after Nintendo also releases Pandora’s Tower and The Last Story. :shifty:

    But this is a big deal to me, since it partially redeems Nintendo in my eyes. They’re now ahead of Capcom (no AAI2, MML3 canceled, no BoF6, DmC) and Konami (no Suikoden VI). So that’s something.
     
  13. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Those really who wanted this game probably imported it already.
    It wouldnt shock me if Nintendo of America reports that the game had poor sales.
     
  14. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Ironically, NoA basically imported the European version; the British voice acting is being recycled, and the script is probably exactly the same except for American grammatical/spelling edits.

    That said, I considered modding my Wii and importing the game, but didn’t. I’m glad I get to buy an American version of this game, even if it’s halfassed.
     
  15. muscle979

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    I think I'm going to give my Wii away to my sister as a Christmas gift. I just have to convince my wife and daughters that they would continue to hardly ever play it. Why would Nintendo need to wait around or even think about releasing these titles in the US?
     
  16. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The game came out in 2009 and was announced for US release the same year. Then Nintendo pretended it didn’t exist until fans finally got fed up after E3 2011. So now they’re releasing it just to pacify them (me), doing the utmost minimum release they possibly can. They’re importing the voice acting and probably the translation from the European version, they’re only selling it through their online store or Gamestop, and they haven’t announced the other two desired games, Pandora’s Tower and The Last Story.

    So the answer to your question is, they’re releasing it because they don’t want the bad PR going forward into the Wii U, especially after a rough 3DS launch.
     
  17. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    I was wondering why they wouldn't just release it in 2009.
     
  18. MikeHoncho

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    Oh ****. No way. Cool story bro.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I doubt that, import numbers always tend to be small ESP. When you need to mod the console(easy as that is) that said its going to sell to a limited maket so small sales but at little cost to NOA which means they don't have to sell much.
     
  20. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Fantastic question. No one’s bothered to ask Reggie Fils-Aime why he announced a game he apparently had no intention of releasing if left to his own judgment, mainly because 99% of gaming journalists in the US barely even knew what Xenoblade was to begin with. Welcome to gaming journalism!

    Can someone mind telling me when JRPGs fell out of favor? I mean, everyone loved Final Fantasy 7 and on up, and we had a slew of JRPG releases up to the end of the PS2 era. So what happened? Gears of War isn’t THAT good.
     
  21. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    JRPGs have always been a quite expensive extravaganza for a limited audience. Yes, Final Fantasy sold well, but it sold well in 1997 terms. Skyrim basically sold more copies in two weeks than Final Fantasy 7 did in ten years. There simply isn't a big enough audience for JRPGs to make a big production targetted at a larger market than just the Japanese one worth your while - not when you can make a different slew of game for the same/less cost(s) and earn more money.
     
  22. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yes, of course Skyrim in 2011 sold more than FF7 in 1997. I’m not quite sure you’re grasping my bigger point here, which is that for about 8-10 years JRPGs were really broadly accepted. Not “broadly accepted within a niche”, but Actually Genuinely Popular™ in that stretch of time from FF7’s release through roughly the end of the PS2 era if not a bit sooner. Heck, I can remember articles extolling White Knight Chronicles as a potentially big game for the still-infant PS3. So what happened? Was it Fallout 3 changing expectations of the genre? Was it the “rise of multiplayer” (which is a bit of a farce, less than 20% of game buyers go online even now)?

    I really want to know when we went from the “holy **** they’re remaking FF7!!!!!” reaction from the FF7 tech demo for PS3 to “Xenoblade’s going to flop.”
     
  23. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I think I grasped it quite well - I'm afraid you didn't grasp mine :shifty:

    What happened to games like Myst? There was a time when Myst outsold anything developed for the PC by a mile and then some. What happened to RTS games like Command & Conquer (hint: there's a reason Blizzard isn't doing Warcraft 4; check how well Starcraft 2 did)? The truth of the matter is that stuff that was all the rage ten years ago has become a niche by today. Heck, what happened to Mike Oldfield? I'm afraid that there just isn't the kind of tangible reason you're looking for. JRPGs did great in a time where a big enough niche could sustain expensive development. That's simply not the case anymore. They've never sold well in Europe, for instance, and that's a huge market you have to write off, especially considering that the US is increasingly dominated by used games that don't generate revenue (Europe doesn't have that issue).

    It really all boils down to the fact that the audience for JRPGs isn't quite big enough to justify the development costs. It didn't necessarily shrink; the whole industry simply grew to a point where it doesn't make sense to develop expensive games for a niche, even if that niche is quite big. It's either a) cheap stuff for the niche or b) expensive stuff for a really broad audience. JRPGs don't fit in either category.
     
  24. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    This particular niche doesn’t need expensively-developed games. That’s the most annoying part. Two words: Radiant Historia.

    As for series like Myst and C&C, I can tell you exactly where they went: consoles killed them. The RTS genre (for example) is not conducive to any other platform but the PC. RTS games require too much micro-management and too much time per sitting to fit on consoles. Same thing with Myst, consoles don’t lend themselves to that genre. Mobile gaming (iPad) might, but that’s another thread. The RTS also cannibalized itself, with Starcraft eating up everything else. Why play, say, Supreme Commander when you still have Starcraft? Blizzard won. Chris Taylor lost.

    But since JRPGs were always the domain of consoles, that comparison doesn’t fly.

    One big reason I was excited when Sony announced the Cell’s inclusion in the PS3 was the possibility of games with vector-based graphics. Since a vector is just a calculation, you don’t need to spend months and months coming up with art assets; you can just have the CPU calculate an equation and bam, you’ve got HD-level “2D” graphics for a pretty low cost. I thought for sure that plus digital downloads would keep the genre going.

    Oh well, there’s always SNES9x.
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Nintendo announces The Last Story is coming to the US and being published by XSEED. Two down.
     
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    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Xenoblade is out.
    The Last Story is out in June.
    Pandora's Tower is appearing in some Gamestop inventory lists.

    #winning
     
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  27. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    See kids? If you piss and moan really hard you'll always get what you want!
     
  28. daphins

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    Still waiting for my FF7 remake....
     
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  29. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    It's easier when Nintendo of Europe does the heavy lifting and Nintendo of America just rebadges their work. But still.

    An FF7 remake is about as likely as Suikoden VI.
     
  30. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Only a year later, but Pandora's Tower should be coming out this spring, though Desides may be the only person here who cares.
     
  31. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    You're all welcome. :lol:

    Next up: Suikoden VI, Mega Man Legends 3, Mega Man ZX 3, a Zelda game in the vein of Link to the Past instead of Ocarina of Time...
     

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