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I am about to convince u to keep Tony Sparano

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MIAMIDOLPHINFAN, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    What did he know? Mortgage the future to hang on to Jimmy Johnson's talent as long as possible? In the end, no investment in the draft and no money for the free agent was the reason we couldn't get a QB. The first thing Saban had to do was purge the roster of bloated salaries. How was this a good thing?
     
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  2. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO the difference between the beginning of the season and now is that the defense came in out of shape and then the injury to Henne forced a delay in bringing Moore up to speed. I don't think those were things under Sparano's control.
     
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  3. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Not a good argument. You're trying to argue an isolated issue by painting with a broad brush. Just because Wannstadt was a failure in general doesn't mean he couldn't see that Feeley wasn't any better of a QB than Fiedler.
     
  4. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Stringer, it's more about the sentiment carried forward (see empty seats) than a rash decision. If he had divorced himself from Henne, I think he would have been more apt to receive a pass. If he had divorced himself from Henne we would not have started the season 0-7. Despite the messages to the contrary, this O-line is the same O-line that was in front of Henne. Marc Columbo hasn't changed one bit. Moore extends plays where Henne took sacks.

    He's going to fired. It isn't because I want him fired. He's going to be fired because he married himself to Chad Henne........
     
  5. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    No worries, man. The thing is, I might certainly find a difference perspective, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I'd be willing to shell out a lot of money. Me, I can't attend games anyway as I'm one Atlantic Ocean away. But what I usually could do was shell out 200 bucks for Yahoo Gamepass so that I was able to watch the Dolphins play in HD and had umlimited access to replays. This year, there was no way I'd cough up 200 Euros to watch this team play. There was also no way I'd renew my Club subscription, partly due to reasons that don't belong here, but also partly due to the fact that I knew quite well what a disappointing ride it was going to be. If anyone actually wants me to spend money on the Dolphins again, then they better make sure they have something to show for it. I'll still be a fan and root and cheer and get upset, but my money goes towards stuff that makes me happy, not miserable.
     
  6. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    After reading this whole thread I'm more convinced than ever that Sparano and Ireland have to go!

    As for all this talk about MM versus CH ....... surely you jest! A 10 & 10 QB versus a 13 & 18 QB. Both appear to be backups for sure and though I might keep one as my backup I won't decieve myself into believing he (MM) is anything more than that!

    As for MM starting next year, well if we are to pick a QB in round 1 (WHICH WE MUST DO!), I wouldn't be so sure about that. jm2c
     
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  7. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    My eyes are bleeding. so are mine the O.P hasnt seen how disfunctional we have been the the last three years. Folks we got lucky in Sparano's first first year and we just bearely beat a bad Buffalo and a bad Tampa Bay teams that year. some of you guys are just kidding yourselves about how much talent we have. Sure I will agree with the defense being better but our special teams inst that good and our offense still needs more production from the wrs and we need a bigger and more physical tightend even if Fasano is still a good tightend there is no reason we cant get more talented wr's and tightends too. thurth is Sparano must go , so you did not convince me to keep Sparano, in fact just the opposite for the reasons i mentioned.this also hasnt been brought up but Sparano sold his house plus its time for him to get a clean slate somewhere else.
     
  8. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The problem with your argument is that nobody is arguing Henne wasn't an awful QB. Tony Sparano even told us Henne was an awful QB in 2010, when he benched him with a record of 4-4. The only argument is that Sparano had no practical opportunity to replace Henne permanently. How many QB competitions were there this year in the NFL? You can't go with one QB all summer then replace him 3 weeks before the season starts.
     
  9. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    This is odd. The more I read post-Henne 2011, the more I see what I said pre-Henne 2011. I just can't get on the same page as the masses............ever!:lol:
     
  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    That's pretty much how I see it too with the addition of reggie bush didn't seem to be playing with a purpose until around week 6
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    There has been quite the contingent of us that were squarely against Henne for a couple of years now.
     
  12. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I don't particularly want Sparano to remain. I merely believe that the majority of criticism thrown his way is bogus and/or exaggerated. So far, he's been doing pretty exactly what I thought any decent coach would do with the talent he had. And unlike Wannstedt, it's not Sparano's fault that the talent isn't any better than the results.
     
  13. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I think the offense took a little time to develop. I thought they were hurt when Henne went down and took a few weeks to get Moore up to speed. I also think Daboll has improved in his use of Bush and the TEs (apparently somebody sent a memo informing the team that they are allowed to do more than block). I also think that DT has helped when he's in there. Both DT and Bush are making plays. I don't care about the total yards. I care that they are helping to move the chains. The same with Marshall. He made some plays yesterday that he wasn't making early on. Even when he doesn't make plays he has an impact like a #1 WR should. For example on that TD pass to Bess yesterday, Marshall was doubled. That helped clear the way once Bess beat his man. So I was being simplistic when I said just the D came in out of shape, but I do think it was the first big problem.
     
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  14. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    that's something I can agree with you on. that would really suck.

    having said that, I'm all for firing Sparano, if we have a candidate that is an upgrade and not more of the same (i.e, another conservative, run-first coach)

    The problem I have with this debate is firing TS for the past performance can end up leading to another Cam Cameron if we're not careful. We are not a great franchise anymore that will attract the best coaching candidates. We are a joke. We fire TS and then get out-recruited by a few other teams and we end up with a worse coach than TS. TS is not a great coach, he's an average coach at best, but we could end up with much worse.
     
  15. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    The only thing you convinced me of is that after 4 years people still cannot spell the man's last name correctly.
     
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  16. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    No, the offense was shackled by a terrible QB in Henne. He was the single biggest problem on the dolphins.
     
  17. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    also,

    the main reason Sparano went into 2011 with Chad Henne as his starting QB, was because Ross shot down Sparano/Ireland's plan of acquiring Kyle Orton.

    That was the plan. They were willing to pay the price to trade for him. Ross said nope.

    and thus, Chad Henne was your QB again.
     
  18. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I think, what we are seeing, is not appreciated for being the outstanding job is it vis a vis Matt Moore.

    For my fellow forumites with a bit of common sense, tell me of one other street FA Qb, which is what MMoore was, no one wanted him, who could have been brought in, made the starter 4.75 gms into the season, and play at a Top 10 Qb level?

    I love digging through the scrap heap, but MMoore?

    I started a thread about finally having a #2 Qb who was not being treated as the "saviour" when we signed him, so I was not exactly onboard with bringing him in, CK started a thread with Video about what a poor Qb MMoore was, and yet...here he is..a Top 10 Qb?!?!

    That is as close to making a space shuttle out of beer cans you will see in the NFL.
     
  19. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    I stopped reading right there! Laughable comes to mind
     
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  20. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    The truth of the matter is that Matt Moore has looked like an All Pro before - and then turned into an All Turd when opponents had a whole offseason to study tape and prepare for him. Let's not make this a Cinderalla story when the exact same thing with the exact same QB happened before, and it ended in horrible performance. Right now, the only thing we really know about Matt Moore is that he is as capable of looking like a starter as he is of looking like a cut waiting to happen. I'd at least like to see him beat a couple of respectable opponents (and sorry Oakland, you're not it; sorry Buffalo, you're not it, either, and neither are you, Kansas City or Washington) before I join the love fest.
     
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  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Matt moore was either a rookie or a second year player when he had his good year followed by the inevitable sophmore slump that ninety percent of qbs go through. Its very likely that the moore we are seeing now is the one we will see going forward.

    And just as an aside henne also was improved this year from the last. I think people are too quick to view players as busts or great based off one year early in their careers
     
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  22. muscle979

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    What Sparano could have done though was give Matt Moore a legitimate shot at winning the starting job in camp.
     
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  23. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ok Zod if you says so since to you it seems we have address your points rather than debating points but nice try.

    Read numerous posts, they state Sparano should stay because it was henne that handcuffed him and now that Moore is playing he is a good coach. Thus all the ills of sparano and this team were at the feet of henne and that is in the OP so again your high and mighty self, you are wrong, I didnt bring up henne, the OP did. try again to put me down without actually disputing a dam thing I said,
     
  24. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    and for the record, i think Sparano must go simply because the risk is to great for Ross. If we would start slow next year with Sparano at the helm, he could have a revolt on his hands. I dont know that he can sell keeping him. I love how the players keep playing hard and as a team we are gelling, but is a little too late?
     
  25. PHINANALYST

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    I'm happy that the offense seems to have found itself against poor defenses .... (not one of them is rated better than ours, less WAS -- who has a worse QB situation than even we've had lately). to close the season, we only face 1 more good defense (the JESTS) ... so there is no reason why we couldn't finish any worse than 2-2.

    is it nice the players want Sparano to stay .... sure ... but 6-10 or even 7-9 doesn't get it done against weak sauce. personally, i think they believe they 'owe' it to him for not showing up ready to go in TC and game 1, and he's not putting them in pads - period.

    i like what Daboll is doing ... it was expected, but still disappointing that it took 'til game 7 to finally start figuring out how to put our players in positive situations and along with Nolan and the defense -- it also took to game 7 to get in game shape ...

    Still want Tony gone ... just like it's best for Henne to move on ... but i do not want Nolan as HC and until Moore can show that he can beat a good team in the 4th QTR - i'm not buying into him as a starter either.
     
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  26. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    In the end, I think the people in the luxury suites may have more to do with the hiring and firing of a HC than we think. By that I mean when Ross thinks fan sentiment, its luxury suite instead of section 415.
     
  27. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Tony is an O-line coach. Its not surprising that players will not quit on him. You would have to be around coaches to know but when it comes to a sinking ship, the O-line coach would be the last man to jump off. The good ones believe what they sell and it shows. That's why you can't find a reporter that will be critical OF THE MAN. All the cliche that surround football - he truly believes it.
     
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  28. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you are dead on with this statement
     
  29. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Those suites are bought by corperations for the most part. They dont care nearly as much or pay as much as the entire section of 415. Now some are surely filled with diehards or former players but i think most diehard fans will be wanting the same thing this offseason
     
  30. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You had me at Hello :shifty:
     
  31. NJFINSFAN1

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    Well, Moore was under the 8 ball with the lock out and missing all the practice time.
     
  32. JimToss

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    In the 4th year of his tenure 50% of our fanbase still does not know it is Tony Sparano. I believe that is enough grounds for firing.
     
  33. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    In defense of Sparano I feel the need to say noone really knows who made the decision to continue to go with Henne. Henne has the tools physically, he just never got it done during game time. Whether our owner or GM had anything to say about it, we will never know!!!
     
  34. Clipse

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    I swear some fans have completely pushed 0-7, 7-9, and 7-9 out of their minds. There's no other explanation for someone to actually believe this clueless Tony Sparano guy needs to be retained. It's like his awful clock management, roster management, and ultra conservatism doesn't consistently lose football games.
     
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  35. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Now this is where I have a problem. You can't tell one person you're tired of them telling you how to be a fan, then turn around and do this bro.
     
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  36. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    If they win they will come. Won't matter who the coach is.
     
  37. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Ddnt Ross speak pretty loud giving Sparano a 3 yr extension
     
  38. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    People overstate how good we were with Pennington. We still had redzone issues and our defense was subpar. We had to bring in the wildcat to make up for alot of deficiencies in our offense. We were a good regular season team but by no means were we serious contenders. We haven't been contenders for anything since the "Trifecta" took over.
     
  39. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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  40. djphinfan

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    let me ask you this RR, what kind of season records or plane of progression are you giving a staff who inheriting a complete disaster of a franchise, like the one we were when Cam was coaching?, just in general, no attachments?, do you think a couple of 7 and 9 seasons is unacceptable while the transformation from scratch is taking place?, lets not even put into the context that in the first year they won 11 games and a division title.

    Where was the 2 seasons of 2 and 12 or 4 and 12 to start off, like history has shown? with your philosophy, it seems like you expect winning seasons while your in a mass rebuild.
     
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