Matt Moore might be a bad QB, but he is better than Henne.

The your arguments hold no weight R&R. Matt Moore comes in off the bench during following Henne's injury...during a lockout season, with limited practice time with the first team, takes a few games to get up to speed, where his numbers have steadily improved, culminating in 3 straight DOMINATING victories, having lead all QB's in QB passer rating 2 of those 3 weeks, playing essentially HALF a season and should his performance hold, you're still going to stand by your argument that he's not a good quarterback?

I guess a "good" quarterback has to throw for 10 touchdowns and 1000 yards a game to be considered "good".

 

Pretty much proved my point for me. Matthew Stafford, stud. Lions aren't a sad franchise anymore. All those top 10 picks, only 4 top 10 QB's. 2 of them studs, though I'll admit that didn't seem to do much for the Bengals. Too soon to tell on Gabbert, but if he pans out, the Jags too won't be a sad franchise any longer. And if we're counting Brady Quinn, then we won't count Jamarcus Russell since he should of never been drafted as high as he did. Meanwhile, here the Dolphins are, we suck, and it's no coincidence that we haven't been good since the last QB we drafted round 1 retired.

 

Pretty much. I'm going to assume the screws in your head aren't so loose that you think a QB playing good for half a season makes him a good QB. Either that or you didn't watch any Panthers game last year. There have been tons of bad-average QB's that put up flash in the pan performances. Those flash in the pan performances didn't make those QB's good. If Matt Moore is putting up great numbers as the starting Qb for the Miami Dolphins 2 years down, the road, hell, if he does it next year, I'll admit I was wrong. But to say a QB is good because of half a season of good play? That's ridiculous logic, and one that has been proven by tons of QB's to be false. So when Matt Moore sustains good QB play for more than half a season, let me know. Until then, he isn't the answer, and the Dolphins would set themselves up for more years of disaster if they go into the offseason thinking he is and decide not to draft a QB in the 1st round.

 

I cant say MM is .......the ANSWER, but I CAN say he is better than Henne. Should we keep him as THE starting QB and go elsewhere with our top pic? I sure hope not. But we ARE better off with HIM at the helm than CH.

 

Are there really people here that want Matt Moore long term? Seriously? I am a Henne fan and want to go elsewhere in teh draft for long term. Seriously Matt Moore =Henne , Henne =Matt Moore. You can argue strengths vs weaknesses all you want but in the end neither qb is going to consistently carry an offense. neither are franchise qbs that will do the things brees, brady, manning, Roeth, etc will do. I read posts like well moore started out first four games poorly but he lerned and improved while saying henne wouldnt have as if you KNOW. You dont, you believe, you point to last year and stats this year to prove it. Yet that isnt proof, he was playing better this year, was more a leader this year. Made throws, did make some bad throws, but made good throws, including red zone throws. The diff is Moore was given time to improve, henne got hurt and cant prove it, thus providing many an unrefutable argument as Henne cant play so he cant prove you wrong. with henne you use his past to predict his future, yet Moore has a similar past yet it is ignored or used to provide a basis for improvement. Moore had early success with Car, Henne had early succcess in 09 with us, last year both stunk. this year both qbs first 3 1/2 games were not winning performances as we didnt win. So you can take stats and then call your interpretations of the stats facts all you want, the fact is over each's history they have shown they are no better than avg and arent long term franchise qb options.

2012 draft brings many potential franchise qbs, we have to sieze that opportunity when it is presented IMO. we havent been in that position often where we dont have teh #1 overall and still get a great qb, to pass on that would be ridiculously stupid.

I think as I have said in other threads that if Moore plays consistent football, he isnt a bad vet option to keep around and even start early to allow the rookie to ease in. But we must draft a qb high in 2012 or we are doomed to as they say rinse and repeat

 

Moore isn't the answer, but he doesn't deserve to be insulted by being called Henne's equal.

 

you can say it, doesnt make it true. Seriously can we state opinions as opinions?

And again what does henne have to do with anything that we HAVE to debate him vs Moore unless you want to say your right in hopes the Dolphins will come calling?

 

IMHO Moore is better than Henne. Henne has a stronger arm. That is the only area he beats Moore in. More is better in every other category. Having said that...I still think we need to draft a QB in the first round.

 

yeah, reminds me of the Ray Lucas crowd.... He's nothng more than a backup QB at this point. He may have some upside, but not much. He still is an A1 member of the "lock onto your target" club, he's got some mobility but still makes 3 or 4 plays a game that you just scratch your head at. He's everything the Carolina Panthers thought he was....that's not necessarily a bad thing, but not what this regime and this organization need. Is Henne ? Not too sure either. But Henne does have more upside than Moore, even now...

 

Why does Henne have more potential? Because he has a stronger arm?

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I dont think henne has more potential than Moore, I think both have higher ceilings from what they have produced but both are limited. I see some things moore does well, but I see things like completely missing wide open targets while not under pressure or immediate pressure. I do agree Moore moves much better than Henne, I also believe Moore is more loose. He doesnt get rattled as henne could.

Again henne is gone, he wont be resigned. Moore is under contract henn isnt it doesnt make sense to bring both back and draft a qb, nor does it make sense to let Moore go and re-sign henne as they are the same player in essence. One may be better but isnt light years better. So can we just stop bringing henne up after every game? Like I said I didnt see a henne thread when Moore looked like ray Lucas

 

The real myth is draft position. The real truth is having a GM who can draft. That is fact when building a team.

With your theory all teams would need to suck for draft position every 4-5 seasons. Having someone legit who can bring in starting caliber players at any position in the draft is the correct mold to build a team by.

 

the throw in the endzone that marshall bobbled after he hit the ground tells me moore can be pretty good

 

Seriously Oz..........I'm hungry

 

Testament to how starved for QB talent the team is that we so willingly embrace mediocrity as our "future".

I've heard people put forth the argument that Dolphins fans wouldn't know a talented QB if they had one. Never saw what evidence there was for that. Much more evidence that Miami fans have been so long without a truly talented quarterback that factions keep developing that support one mediocre or another with fervor that should be reserved for much, much more talented QBs.

 

One thing I will say from my own personal observations is that Moore has seemed to find a chemistry with the team that Henne has not found yet. In the end Henne may turn out to be the better QB and he will more then likely get his chance at redemption on another team. Moore seems to fit this offense and this staff better then Henne. IMO Moore has more leadership of the offense then Henne ever has.

 

is it better now?

 

I am beginning to think pocket presence is a bit under valued by fans, like myself. As you have stated it helps out your Oline and gives your receivers more time to get open and make a play.

I have been watching a lot of Cam Newton and how he moves inside the pocket and his ability to escape the rush while still looking down field has been a huge part of his success. If the Panthers had any sort of defense they would have a much better record.

 

He'd made good trade bait.

 

Why not?

 

Matt Moore's progression through these last games will the the telling tale. He gets a second crack at the Jets as well. Maybe a redemption game of some sort.

 

yeah, these last 4, against this competition, on the road, will tell us everything about MM, and make some offseason decisions easier.

 

I don't know that it will. We've seen players get on a roll for 10 games here and there. An entire season even. I'm not sure that what he shows in the next few games will be enough to dissuade from drafting a QB.

For me, QB and safety are the two most important positions for this team to shore up. You're not going to pick a safety in this draft at 4-10. I don't think any deserve it. But you will pick a QB and let the rookie and MM play it out. Then you hope to trade the right one for a 1st round pick, plus, next year.

 

Kurt Warner has him in the top 5 Qbs again this week...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...Warner-s-Top-5-QBs?module=HP11_content_stream

Some pretty lofty company.

 

....or on the other hand he might be a promising QB more on the basis of his 5 game stretch in 09 for an awful Carolina team than his post-concussion 2010 performance for an even worse Carolina team and his first 3 games in '11, the equivalent of the pre season and practice first team reps he never got since Sparano never let him win the starting job.

Consider that over a prorated time span, Newton who rushes for his own TDs has only marginally better results on an upgraded team. Imagine how he'd do if he was stationary.

 

Those are some fantastic points you make.

 

I wouldnt say he played the same as Henne right off the bat but he is playing better than Henne since the Giants game. I thought he looked terrible in preseason but I agree it was probably lack of reps.

 

He's closing in on Penny, don't think he makes it there in terms of TD's though, but QBR of 122.5 helps to boost him a bit.

 

The TD throw he made to Brandon Marshall was amazing. Not to mention Marshall dropped two decent passes that would have been TDs. The more we see the less of a debate this is.

 

Yep. There should no longer be a debate. Moore is a much better QB than Henne, but I'm guessing that it, unfortunately, is still going to go on for a long time.

 

Simmer down a bit, MMoore worked the Bills that last time we played as well, if he can do it vs the Pats or Jest, then we can be a bit more enthusiastic.

 

Marshall dropped two more touchdown passes today?

 

Yet Moore was the QB the final 10 games before Sparano got fired.

Didn't Henne go 7-6 as a starter after Penny got hurt with no prior starting experience and Moore was 4-5 as a starter with prior starting experience under Sparano? And that was with Henning as the OC with Ginn the #1 WR.

Obviously confused improved "team" play against poor defenses with QB play this year.

 

Yes he had his hands on two in the endzone. They weren't easy catches but they were catchable. I'm not bashing him I'm just saying that if he hangs onto one or both of those Matt Moore's day suddenly looks even better.

 

Lol