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I am about to convince u to keep Tony Sparano

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MIAMIDOLPHINFAN, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would say a well coached team {one who was willing to take the NFL by storm with the wildcat}, one with discipline, and some great leadership from the QB position is what did it for us that year....That IS a reflection of coaching.
     
  2. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Ugh yes, a couple of 7-9 seasons and now this season are not even in the slightest bit acceptable. That 1-15 season was FOUR years ago and we're getting worse. We have no QB, our coach is a moron. People need to stop accepting mediocrity. And this team was never as worse off as people tried to make it out to be. We were 1-15 because our whole team was on IR and we had Cleo Lemon and John Beck as our quarterbacks. The people running this team are idiots, plain and simple. I don't care how bad this team was. That's not an excuse for awful clock management. That's not an excuse for awful roster management. That's not an excuse for being ultra conservative and losing games because of it. That's not an excuse for failing to find a Quarterback, the most important position in football. That's not an excuse for getting progressively worse after four years.
     
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  3. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Clock management, that's great coaching. Roster management, that's great coaching. Not allowing teams to beat you because you decide to go ultra conservative in the second half of games with a one score lead, that's great coaching. Not allowing teams to beat you because you play for FG's, that's great coaching. We didn't have great coaching in 2008, and we don't have it now. What we did have in 2008, was a lot of luck by having the Jets cut Pennington, being able to play a complete joke of a schedule, and having Tom Brady go on IR.
     
  4. Rouk

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    any argument you make for sporano hurts him imo you cant say well they turned the season around so keep him because if this team had talent to win a lot of games then we should of never started 0-7 in the 1st place its more a knock against him to win games now then it helps him.
     
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  5. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    I am about to convince u to keep tony sporano

    Read that and I'm torn between being nauseous and laughter.
     
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  6. Big E

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    It didnt work....
     
  7. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Not being too picky here, but at least spell the guys name right after 4 yrs here...at any rate, it doesn't matter if you convince me and every other fan to keep TS on...the bottom line is whether Stephen Ross is convinced. IMO, he fired TS back in January 2011, but just hasn't told Tony when his last day is. He's made his decision...we will likely see a new HC come sometime in January...
     
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  8. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Wow, it sure seems to be that some "Henne Haters" are suddenly coming to his defense in pointing out every facet of the Dolphins' poor play and defending Henne versus Moore.

    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes wrote, "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

    Chad Henne (Career in Miami)
    646/1065: 60.7% completion
    7114 yards
    197.6 yards per game
    6.7 yds P/A
    75.7 QBR

    Matt Moore (2011 season in Miami. What he did in Carolina is irrelevent. He plays here now, not there)
    151/244: 61.9% completion
    1769 yards
    196.6 yds per game
    7.3 yds P/A
    87.6 QBR

    Number are pretty even, aren't they? So what's the X-Factor?

    POINTS!!

    Under Chad Henne, the Dolphins this season were averaging only 15 points a game. In fact, Henne's career in Miami has averaged only 19.3 points per game his entire starting career in Miami.

    Under Moore on the other hand, the Dolphins are averaging 24.43 points per game.

    Hey, it is what it is.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you don't think two 7 nd 9 seasons are acceptable during the first few years of a rebuild?..you need to check some history..
     
  10. muscle979

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    You're really on the 2007 kick again? We're not talking about two 7-9 seasons anymore. That's ancient history. We're talking at best three 7-9 seasons and possibly worse pending this year's final record.
     
  11. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    It means nothing when you're progressively get worse. The Lions were much worse off in 2008 than we were in 2007, yet here they are just 3 years later, have improved every year, and are looking good for a winning record and possible playoff spot. The Colts when they drafted Manning went from 3-13 to 13-3, and remained a playoff team the rest of the way aside from one 6-10 season. The Atlanta Falcons were awful in 2007 as well, yet unlike us, they've been a playoff team. Or how about those Chargers and that terrible 2003 season where they drafted Phillip Rivers and have been a playoff team ever since.

    Sorry but going 1-15 in 2007 is no excuse for still sucking 4 years later. 4 years later and we're STILL rebuilding, that's pathetic, and falls on the shoulders of our idiot coach, and equally clueless persons in the front office. Just say no to any idiot coach who thinks championships are still won in the trenches in 2011, and not on the shoulders of stud QB's.
     
  12. JMHPhin

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    if the 2 7-9,s lead to us being 8-4 right now yes, but we r 4-8 no matter the reason. too risky imo to stay w sparano imo even tho i like him
     
  13. Colmax

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    The other day, I was watching ESPN and guess who I see talking X's and O'x? Our old foppish buddy Bill Parcells! And listening to him, I came to the conclusion that this guy has NO IDEA how TODAY'S NFL is run! He simply is married to his old ways. This attitude matriculated down to field while his fat *** sat atop his crow's nest like the old crazy Navy Dive School CO in the movie Men of Honor. Back to that movie reference later.....

    When the sh*t hit the fan, guess who ran out of town with his tail between his legs and his pockets full of money?? He had full control of football operations and ran it into the ground. While some of his methods might seem groundbreaking (bringing in players with high character, bringing in people you know, being a hard-***), this really applies to almost ALL teams and front offices in the NFL. What EXACTLY has he done for this team? I will tell you one thing he got right, and it was to bring in Tony Sparano. Whether or not this guy stays on our team, this team NEEDED a man like him after the Cam Cam debacle. While some of the Sparano's methods are questionable, this can be said about ANY NFL coach who has ever stepped foot on the gridiron. If it works, he looks like a genius. If he ices his own kicker, he looks like a fool.

    Sparano has been under Parcells' thumb up until the day Parcells drove out of town on that golf cart with four flats. And then of course, when Sparano finally gets a little voice in the organization, he brings in Nolan last year, who made this defense into a top-10 last year. Then he rids of our old offensive coordinator and brings in a young up-and-comer in Daboll this year. Granted, I really believe the mess this offseason really hurt us from a preparation standpoint, but I still think, slowly, this team is moving into the right direction. I am not without my critiques of Sparano, but I do still think he is right for this team.

    Sparano is a little rough around the edges, but he is not without an incredible work ethic and loyalty. He stands by his players, his team of coaches, and his organization even when the organization seems to want to part with him. Sparano is not the real problem here, but a scapegoat, and the fans, the front office, and the owner, have all made him out to be the bad guy when it's pretty obvious there are things happening behind the scenes that are beyond this man's control. With what he can control, he has done pretty decently for a first-time NFL head coach. He has rolled with the punches, and has shown Semper Flexibilis in how he has changed his overall approach to the game. He is learning from his mistakes. This speaks volumes. Bill Parcells made his mistakes and booked it.

    Back to the movie Men of Honor reference: Sparano, in an odd sort of way, reminds me of Robert DeNiro's character "Master Chief Sunday". The character in the movie changed, and for the better. Sparano is changing right before our eyes, and for the better. This team PLAYS for this man. They respect this man. They want him back. Hell, I want him back! I think, in this case, it starts from the ground up. We tried the top down approach with Billy Boy. It didn't work.

    If this team goes through another coaching change AND probable front office change, we're looking at another 2-3 seasons of mediocrity before we see marked, foundation-building improvement. Daboll will be gone. Nolan? Probably gone. The new coach and front office are going to bring in their guys. That's just how it is. Miami has a solid foundation now. I say let the man finish out his contract, and if we do not make the playoffs next year, cut the cord. But given all that he's endured, I think he should see his contract through.

    We can all bash Sparano's on-the-field calls. But we can also see he is learning from some of his on-field methods. Bill Parcells was stuck in the past, and up to a point, so was Sparano, until he found out too late that some of the pieces already in place do not necessarily mesh well with today's style of NFL. One cannot renege draft picks 'less it be cutting the player.

    With that, he is a loyal, hardworking, high character kind of guy who does not embarrass this organization whatsoever. His win-loss record does not say it all, but, unfortunately, this is the only measuring stick that matters in the eyes of fans. It's really unfortunate. He's probably gone, and I'll be sad to see him go.

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  14. djphinfan

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    Well bud, post of the year if he pulls this streak off, and if he does, no worries, no way he goes..That kinda sh&^ would be too strong to deny.
     
  15. AdamC13

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    According to this article offshore betting on whether Sparano stays of goes is open.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...s-nick-saban-2019071.html?cxtype=rss_dolphins

    Sparano returning?: The offshore betting site Bodog.com is now accepting bets on whether Sparano will be the Dolphins' coach in Week 1 of the 2012 season.But here's the catch - the odds reflect the opinion that Sparano is more likely to return next year than get fired after this season. The "yes" answer has a line of plus-150, which means the site gives Sparano 2-to-3 odds of coming back next year. The "no" answer has a line of minus-110, which means the site views Sparano not returning next year as slightly less than a 50-50 proposition.

    Whoever wrote this doesn't quite understand how the money-line works. If he is plus-150 it doesn't mean he is more likely to return. It means he is less likely to return. A bet of $100 that he returns, and if Sparano does, results in getting back $250 ($100 wager plus another $150 for picking correctly). Bookies and casinos are not in the habit of paying more $$$ for picking the more likely scenario.

    If you firmly believe Sparano is not going to be back the minus-110 money line is pretty good. A bet of $110 dollars would result in getting back $210 if Sparano doesn't return ($110 wager plus $100 for picking correctly)...I would think the money-line for Sparano not to return when Miami was 0-7 would probably of been somewhere around minus-5,000.

    Time to put your $$$ where your mouth is...
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  16. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    It is SPARANO not Sporano, please get the name correct
     
  17. pennphinfan

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    If you guys want to read something funny, go to the link below and scroll down in the comments to the guy named "piercit" and read his response. it is downright hilarious

    http://igglesblitz.com/philadelphia-eagles-2/back-to-football/#disqus_thread


    or, i guess, if you're too lazy to click a link.. here is what an eagle fan says, in a comment on an article re: andy reid and new coaches

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  18. Hellion

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    Thank you i was too lazy to click the link.

    I hope you corrected that guy, because Tony wouldnt know when to call a time out if he was getting repeatedly kicked in the nuts by a girl scout he refused to buy thin mints from.
     
  19. PhinishLine

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    From that particular comment, you'd have to give kudos to Ireland as well. Can't give all the positives to the coach and all the negatives to the GM. Ireland is the one who brougth in Moore. You have to give him credit even if it might have been by accident or a half-hearted try at creating competition.
     
  20. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Think about how bad the talent was on this team when this regime took over... They've had to rebuild from the backups to the starters. First we had Wanny for 7 yrs not building any depth to this team and then Saban and Cam-Cam who between them couldn't figure out that they should select Andrew Luck given the first overall pick this coming draft. This regime has made it's personnel mistakes and in every one of those mistakes, who do you put the finger on ?? Parcells ?? Ireland ?? Sparano ?? You can't really separate the good from the bad picks with this group. It's clearer now and we are starting to see results.

    If this had not been an offseason-less year, I'd agree that it's time to sweep the lick despite the mid-season resurgence. The entire body of work can't be totally used to determine their employment status with the Fins next season. Ross almost has to give this resurgence much more credence than you'd normally give a regime credit for. Will he ??

    However, that is not the case here and now.

    No.... As I've felt all along, it's very likely that Ross will not do that and will continue on his quest for a name-brand regime where we will be 'rebuilding' once again. He made that decision last January, but just forgot to tell Tony (and perhaps Jeff) when exactly to clear their desks out...
     
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  21. Clipse

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    So did all those other teams that I mentioned, sure didn't stop them from becoming a playoff team year in and year out. Parcells, Ireland, Sparano, all equally as inept. One is already gone, time for the other 2 to follow.
     
  22. mroz

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    Mission failure... Tony MUST GO!
     
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    Sparano is as good as gone. Looking forward to seeing John Gruden or Bill Cowher on the sidelines.
     
  24. Larryfinfan

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    I'm sorry, that's not entirely true. There was enough talent on the colts team and adding Manning put them in the limelight. Even in his first year, where he was 2-14 or whatever, the signs were there. The Bolts were set up, talent-wise for Norv. The same thing for Smith in Atlanta...

    None of those teams were as bereft of talent as this this team was when that regime took over... The big difference between us now and those other teams 2 yrs after taking over their respective organizations is a QB... Henne will never get a fair shake here with fans or the team, and we don't know about Moore yet...

    But no, this franchise was still suffering from Wanny-itis until this regime came along...
     
  25. Vaark

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    Not withstanding the field management and decision making brainfarts that seemed more repetitive than constructive learning experiences and tilted more close games than not:

    1) A nationally televised humiliation required to get STC Bonamego fired despite previously chronic poor play

    2) A nationally televised humiliation required to get DC Pasquoloni fired in '10 when everyone other than Tony knew he should have been replaced end of 09

    3) Despite Moore outplaying Henne in preseason, was not given the opportunity to legitimately compete for the starting job

    4) With Tony's expanded personnel influence, he obviously did not call any contacts in Dallas to find out that Columbo was toast. Not only did he sign him but he continued to enable his poor, QB-perilous turnstyle play, and still does

    5) Although opposing D's were laughing about predicting most of Henning's plays, Tony refused to buy out of them, instead throwing his players under the bus for poor execution of a sound game plan

    6) Poor conditioning prepartion turned heat, one of the few advantages of a team with limitations against them by another team training 1500 miles north. And that conditioning coach is still employed!

    7) Only the nationally attention attracted by the "TEbow Miracle" where Tony was heard begging the refs to overturn a call for the sake of his job, prompted TS to rethink an offensive paradigm he should have realized 2 years ago, didn't work.

    Bottom Line: Has Tony ever proactively made a change for the better? All his changes were reactive, long-overdue and prompted by national embarrassments or fear for his job.

    All this sums up to Tony being a good guy, potentially a team motivator but far from the pointiest pencil in the pounch when contemporary NFL paradigms require insight and intelligence!
     
  26. Big E

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    Yeh I dig that.
     
  27. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    Knowing that it's too little, too late for Sparano...


    How do you know that Sparano made the call on Colombo...Ireland was there in Dallas too. How much authority did Sparano have in hiring/firing the coaches while the Quitcells was here ?? Was he the final call on Henning, Bonamego and Pasqueloni ?? I always gotten the impression that was Quitcells moves... Moore didn't outplay Henne in PS...I didn't see that at all. You can't compare playing with and against camp fodder to playing with the proposed starters and against the other teams starters... Tebow has made monkeys out of several teams, not just us. The team was still adjusting to Moore...too many other things that influenced that game than just Sparano's perceived ineptitude. After no offseason training, you can't pin the lack of this team being physically ready on the staff. That falls squarely on the players... Besides all that, if it was all Sparano's fault, how do you account for the last 5 games ??
     
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  28. Zod

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    Here is our clue:

    The Right Tackle from last year is still on this team and there is a more than adequate guard (other than Vernon Carey) sitting on the bench.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    your miami dolphins 2007 draft..

    1 9 (9) Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
    2 8 (40) John Beck QB Brigham Young
    2 28 (60) Samson Satele C Hawaii
    3 7 (71) Lorenzo Booker RB Florida State
    4 9 (108) Paul Soliai DT Utah
    6 7 (181) Reagan Mauia RB University of Hawaii
    6 25 (199) Drew Mormino OL Central Michigan University
    7 9 (219) Kelvin Smith ILB Syracuse
    7 15 (225) Brandon Fields P Michigan State University
    7 28 (238) Abraham Wright DE Colorado

    Sparano had to get rid of the powerful offense that had Cleo lemon, samkon gado, marty booker..as your skill players.

    The rebuild was substantial..and if they win out, I want the coach back.
     
  30. Vaark

    Vaark Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium

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    You're right I don't know if Sparano made any calls checking up on him or even signing him but I would think the assumption he did based on his negotiating more personnel say so especially over the OL has more legs than your assumption not. Either way, as the supposed OL Guru, it's naive to think it wasn't Tony who insisted on starting Columbo and continued enabling his QB-perilous play despite having Garner cued up and ready to go.

    As far as conditioning again you're right - to a certain degree. I believe they have a conditioning coach, do they not? I believe they practiced in August in the most humid and intemperate climate in the country, yes? How come Belicheat's team 1500 miles north was better conditioned? If it was on the Fins players then it was on Tony for not instilling a sense of accountability... so either way he's to blame.

    Why are they doing well? 2 reasons if not more: In typical reactive fashion when there were no more options at hand, Henne went down so Tony had to play Moore. If in all the camp time Tony was oblivious of the difference in personalities, how Moore went around thanking and attaboying his OL on the sideline, the way the players responded to his leadership then he's just tone deaf.. and that a good thing for a HC. No. 2, Moore is a QB who is less likely to go 3 and out or throw interception turnovers to rush the team's dispirited and fatigued defense back onto the field, often with their backs to the foe's red zone. The D now knows, that when they stop the opponent, there's a reasonable assumption it won't all be for naught or that they'll be hustling back out without much of a breather. IMO it's no coincidence that our D is more rested, effective and inspired because our present QB does a better job of sparking the O.

    Again, I have not seen Tony make a proactive move, only reactive ones and only then when his back was to the wall or humiliated with no other choices other than to abandon "your father's Oldsmobile" philosophies. IMO, he's in over his head, is not capable of growing with the organization in that capacity and should never have been promoted 2 levels up from position coach. Hell, he can't even get his OL specialty right, can he?
     
  31. dsteve

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    blaming henne for everything is pretty stupid. sorry, youre wrong.


    moore not likely to go three and out and put a tired d back on the field? did u watch the game on thanksgiving? moore is a good back up. thats it. he's not a starter. best case for moore is draft a qb and let him keep the seat warm. what id want is henne to keep seat warm for a new qb and trade moore to a team for some value.
     
  32. djphinfan

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    I said this in another thread Vaark, but I think it applies here as well, me and a friend were talkin about it... when considering this evaluation of the head coach, which some still have it open, some do not, however, are those people taking into account what kind of affect playing for a lame duck coach can have on players?, especially when there was no offseason to hash things out, and create some unity amidst the chaos..Complacency could of set in..Pretty unique set of circumstances for a coach to coach relative to the rest of the league..

    So as of right now, Sparano seems to have united the team into like a family like atmosphere, has them playing hard for each other, and himself, in a lame duck situation, and their playing at a pretty high level..How do we know these variables in coaching that he's accounting for, are not just as important, if not more, than all the others associated with what makes a great coach?
     
  33. Clipse

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    Pat White, Chad Henne, Matt Moore. All that needs to be said really. These idiots wouldn't know a QB unless the Jets laid one right in their lap.
     
  34. Clipse

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    A good backup is a hell of a lot more than you can say for Chad Henne. Total bum that guy is.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    I'am evaluating the coaches job, not the GM...

    I can't see how Sparano had anything to do with the drafting of Chad Henne and Pat White..First time head coach with a VP of operation Parcells taking over responsibilities, you can bet that Parcells called those shots..No way a first time coach makes those calls.
     
  36. 2socks

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    I hope your wrong. Sparano deserves to run his contract out. Like you have said he has had his work cut out for him including rebuilding the entire rooster and replacing coaches and defensive and offensive coordinators. We are now starting to see the fruit of those changes. There are still many changes to come. Sparano started with a rooster I would have graded as a d. He is now got a rooster that grades a B. That is a huge change in less then 4 years. Now it's time to start adding the stars. He started with BM and now has added a very very good back in Danial Thomas, not to take anything away from the new found animal abilities of Reggie Bush. We are on the brink of something special for many years to come. I just hope Sparano gets to bring it to fruition.
     
  37. Clipse

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    Oh sure. Sparano is just a puppet that has no input on who gets put on the team he's coaching. And even if he was, even more reason to fire him.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    yeah, tell Bill Parcells that the coach he hired for his first head coaching job is gonna buy the groceries..What a wuss..

    So just where I know where you stand, we win out, you want him gone?
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Really? That is up there with one of the least nonsensical statements I have ever read.

    IMO, if the Dolphins pummel the Eagles and Bills, while beating the Patriots and Jets, I wouldn't mind him being brought back.

    Also it would give an extra added benefit of pissing off the whinier Dolphin fans, which I have grown to like seeing pissed off.
     
  40. Clipse

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    Yes. A terrible coach is a terrible coach. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. We're winning because Matt Moore is **** loads better than Chad Henne and because the defense decided to get their heads out of their ***. This team winning because they play hard for Sparano is a giant load of ****. They sure didn't get that memo when they gave up at the end of last year. They sure didn't play hard for Sparano when they were busy giving up on the Jets game this year. Sparano has still played to lose. He still plays for FG's. He still has awful clock management. Get him and the rest of Parcells cronies out before the draft we don;t **** it up yet again by ignoring the QB position.
     

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