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I think we should trade away our 2012 first round draft pick..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by normaldude, Dec 8, 2011.

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  1. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    If the season ended today, I'd say our biggest needs are..

    - QB, in case Matt Moore regresses, or gets injured.
    - Solid, fast deep threat WR.
    - RT, to replace Columbo.
    - Ball hawking FS.

    QB: Certainly Andrew Luck warrants a 1st round draft pick, but we're not getting him. The other polished NFL-ready QB is Brandon Weeden, and we can get him in the 2nd round because of his age. All the other QB prospects are a bit of a gamble, and could easily end up being worse than Matt Moore.

    WR: We currently have the slowest WRs in the NFL. Marshall is a lock as our #1 WR, and Bess is a lock as our slot reciever. So if we're going to add a #2 WR, it needs to be a fast, solid deep threat burner to stretch the field. It's unclear if Clyde Gates will develop to be that man. The top WR prospects (Blackmon, Floyd, Jeffrey) are big solid guys, but wouldn't add blazing speed. So if we want a solid burner, we can probably pick up someone like Kendall Wright in the 2nd round.

    RT: This draft has a lot of good tackles, and we can probably get a solid upgrade over Columbo in the 2nd or 3rd round.

    FS: This draft doesn't have any FS that warrants a 1st round draft pick.

    So I'd be comfortable with Miami trading away its 1st round pick for a quality proven veteran or for 2nd/3rd round picks.

    Flame away.
     
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  2. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    It worked so well for us when Wanny used to do that why wouldn't we give away our future foundation to add more players that probably won't make a meaningful impact or be on the roster by 2015?
     
  3. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    It depends on our draft needs and draft prospects for a given year.

    I'm not saying that we should always trade away our #1 draft pick.

    I'm just saying that given our current needs, and given the type of prospects that are available in this draft, I would be comfortable with Miami trading away its 1st round pick for a quality proven veteran or for 2nd/3rd round picks.
     
  4. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I totally disagree with you. If RG111 or Barkley are available when the Dolphins draft in the first round, the Dolphins would be nuts to trade their pick and not draft one of these QB's. As far as Weeden goes, I have no interest in seeing the Dolphins waste a pick on someone who will be 29 years old when the season starts next year. I don't think Weeden will be any better at the NFL level than Henne is. If the Dolphins aren't able to get one of the top QB's in the first round, I would rather them draft a top WR or running back with their first round pick and hope that Kellen Moore is still available in the third or fourth round.
     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I would only trade it away if they could get an Atlanta Deal
     
  6. JimToss

    JimToss Thank You Chad Pennington

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    I would trade it away for Peyton Manning.
     
  7. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    Really? Peyton Manning could be damaged goods. At age 35, he has less shelf life left than Weeden.

    It's unclear if Peyton Manning will ever play again. And if he does, one hard hit, and he could reinjure his neck, and be done.

    Trading our 1st rd pick for Peyton Manning would be a serious roll of the dice.
     
  8. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    No to Manning, he has the risk of getting whacked and not getting up.

    I'm all for trading down and getting a couple of extra picks.
     
  9. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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  10. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    IMO, there is no veteran that is available via trade that is worth the #8 or 9 pick in the draft. You can't pass up the opportunity to get a young stud that could be an anchor on your team for the next decade. Same exact thing I argued with people when we drafted Pouncey. people argued the choice at the time, but now we know he was worth it. No one is going to offer Philip Rivers or Patrick Willis and that's what it would take to trade that pick for me.
     
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  11. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Truth be told, ANY QB is a gamble. If you want to trade the #1 pick because it would be a gamble............then we would NEVER make a draft pick. This makes no sense. We dont need extra later round draft picks more than we need a STAR QB. I would trade up before I would trade down.
     
  12. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I been saying all along Sparano should stay and we should draft a receiver. If we could get multiple picks in the second for the first round pick and we are not going to get Luck......I am ok with it. It has to make since though.
     
  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Might be an option. I expect Indy to trade Manning after they draft Luck.
     
  14. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Any pick is a chance. Any hard hit on any player and they could be done for their career. Rolling the dice is what we do. Provided he could clear medical I would do it in a second. Payton has 5 or 6 more years in him. Maybe more. We would be instant contenders with him. It would also buy us time to draft our next Dan the Man.
     
  15. pacadermng67

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    Sanchez is also a high 1st round and he is not very good... Just saying if the Big 3 Qbs arent there perhaps see if we could trade down in the first or just take the BPA.
     
  16. Disciple

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    I hope we do the opposite. Miami should be going into this draft with 1 goal. Getting Luck, Barkley, or Griffin. I'm tired of 7-9 seasons and until we get a QB, 7-9 is probably the future, unless Miami happens to get a Harbaugh type coach.
     
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  17. ToddsPhins

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    Regarding trading the pick away:

    A. If Griffin, Barkley, or Tannehill look to be within draft range, the "veteran route" becomes obsolete.

    B. If Barkley and/or Griffin return to school and we're drafting in the early teens, the "vet route" could be considered, but it would depend on the vet and his salary, and he'd have to represent a significant contribution as an impact player (like an elite Safety or pass rusher).

    C. The spot we're drafting in and who's likely to be available would have to be considered before option A is even entertained.

    D. If you want to pick up a vet, first exhaust all measures via FA rather than sacrificing a draft pick, especially since we need complimentary pieces rather than primary pieces (outside QB). If you want a better threat at #2 WR, then go after someone like Robert Meachem IMO.

    E. If our draft position looks bleak, I'd prefer to trade back and pick up 2 rookies rather than the 1 vet we'd get in trade, especially since the 2 rooks will likely cost less than the single vet.



    ***If the QBs are gone and Trent Richardson is sitting there for the plucking, I'd love to trade back for Cincy's 2 first rounders. With our first 2 picks we could put our defense over the top with an OLB (like Upshaw), CB (if Sean Smith can convert to safety), or FS should a stud emerge as being worthy.... or use 1 of the picks to bolster the oline with an outstanding guard (DeCastro or Glenn) or RT.


    Personally, I'd consider double-dipping at OLB/pass rusher with 2 of our first 3 picks b/c our depth sucks, Wake is being burnt out, and Misi is more of a rotational guy. You could grab one as your dependable every down starter (like Upshaw), and then grab a talented pass rusher in the 2nd (Bruce Irvin or Brandon Jenkins) to rotate in and help keep Wake fresh (and extend Wake's career), meanwhile being groomed as Wake's heir so we're not left scurrying for his replacement when it's too late.

    IMO when you have a team strength, it's important to plan ahead to ensure it remains a strength during transition times (IE: from Wake to the guy who eventually replaces him). Our defense is a strength, and to keep it that way, we'll need a pass rushing stud ready to assume Cam's role when he slows down. Since that player could take a few years to develop, it'd be wise to take him now, especially since his cost will be lower than year's past so it won't kill us financially to have him see less playing time.
     
  18. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    Sean Smith is way too soft to play safety. In fact, I've never seen him hit anyone. He basically just drags people down.
     
  19. Aquafin

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    anybody that would take Tannehill should be hit over his head the guys sucks Weeden is way better then what some around here will give him credit for . just because he is a year or two older doesnt ean a damn thing in terms of staying in the league long time we could take tannehill who really makes Henne look like Dan Marino could be taken and then he gets injured so the arguement for not taking a guys a year older is the dumbest crap i have ever hear Weeden is WINNER AND HE IS A LEADER while Tannyhill couldnt tie his shoes .why is it a big deal if a man is a little older the nfl has had qb that played a long time in the league so the age excuse is so ridiculous.
     
  20. arsenal

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    if we dont like our options when we're up at the draft, id trade back for a 2nd and next years 1 from some team... especially instead of just jumping on whatever available QB is there if we dont like him...

    Manning wont be traded, no one is trading for that contract, and the Colts would just keep him if they pay him that HUGE roster bonus in like February or March, or whenever it is... if the Colts pay that hes gonna stay there, only other option is cutting him before that date...
     
  21. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    NO to Manning, no more QB retreads. Peyton has seen his better days.

    Luck, Griffin III, Barkley, Weeden or someone in the FIRST ROUND. Time to stop screwing around with the most important position on the team.
     
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  23. Wulf

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    Wouldn't that be something akin to our signing Trent Green? Aside from the fact that Cam only used a 5th round pick and he was 37. He was one it from a concussion.
    This signing of QB's who are over the hill needs to stop. I still ache over our signing 29 yr old Culpepper over the 27 yr old Brees in 2007...
     
  24. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Only way they should trade, is a trade up for Luck or perhaps Barkley.
     
  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    The biggest flaw in this is that come April, this team could look a lot different. Between the end of this season and the draft there is a potential for a new regime and FA...We could look completely differently.

    I disagree that there is only Luck and Weeden. I don't know that Weeden is a lock at all and guys like Jones and Tannehill and certainly Barkley is a better prospect than any of those three. Luck seems to be in a class by himself, but after that, there are 3-4 guys that might fit the bill if we are not sold on Moore.
     
  26. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    If he were 25 or even 26 that's doable...but he'll be 28 when the season starts...The same age as Moore will be....
     
  27. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    and the dumbest ****ing thread of the year award goes to....
     
  28. padre31

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    Pretty much, even Charlie Sheen just woke up from a week long crank binge and said:

    "That ain't #winning"
     
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  29. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Eh, I'm not utterly opposed to trading our #1, however, only if the Top Qb's are long gone, then it would depend on value.

    No FS has stood out, there are several beastly OLB/DE types, and we could use a Wr, but with Dolfans being mental expect more of:

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  30. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I am just sad that we have now lost out on Barkley and Luck after it looks so promising that we would get them at first :(
     
  31. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I think it would be a mistake to think Weeden falls. I feel like if Barkley or RG3 is your guy you find a way to get one of them. Don't do the bull**** well if there is a QB there in the 2nd we should take. GO OUT AND GET YOUR QB.
     
  32. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yessir, this.

    Sparano planted his flag on Chad Henne, it didn't pan out, he only has a prayer of a chance due to MMoore doing somethin.
     
  33. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    oh goodie more Chad Henne and Glenn Beck players.......can't wait. We should draft the best available player.

     
  34. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You never know with a player. Henne has all the physical tools. Something just never clicked. Had it, most of you would be calling Sparano a freaking genius.
     
  35. Phyl

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    If the QBs are out of reach just take BPA. Having talent is more important than reaching for a need and missing.
     
  36. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Nothing is out of reach to a new GM. If we have Ireland then yeah I don't expect him to pull the trigger.
     
  37. finfansince72

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    I'm not really sure how anyone could even think that we are one player away or that we should be trading our highest picks, to me we are short play makers on offense and defense, you get those players, more than likely in the early first round. Unless its to trade up and get a franchise player we shouldn't be trading any picks.
     
  38. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    A Thousand times this.

    NEVER EVER settle.

    This is the kind of attitude that gets you Chad Henne and John Beck.

    YOU TRADE UP to draft a QB not the other way around.
     
  39. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Dolphins have NO reason to settle. Matt Moore is a backup, end of story. We need a REAL QB.

    I wouldn't write off Manning either because of one injury and being 35. Didn't Favre go to the NFC Championship game and within a few plays of the super bowl at the age of 40 after suffering injuries too? Manning>>>>>Favre.

    Don't be picky Dolphins fans. RG3, Barkley, Luck, Manning. Find a way to get one. Waiting to the second round would be stupid.
     
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