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Sparano out, Ireland stays

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PSG, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Why not just fire him now instead of letting him coach 3 more games?
     
  2. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    What's the difference, really?
     
  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    how the **** does ireland stay? ross is a clown if he fires sparano and keeps ireland. ireland is more responsible than sparano for our playoff drought. ross is clueless if he keeps ireland
     
  4. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    After digesting this news, I don't think I'm happy.
    I think Ireland needs to go as well. We need a fresh start. Plus it means Cowher can be crossed of the list.
     
  5. jw3102

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    I think it is going to be very difficult hiring a big name coach if Ireland remains the GM. It has been reported that one of the main reasons Harbaugh did not want to come to Miami was because Ross wanted him to keep Ireland as the teams GM. First it was Parcells who quit when he realized that he couldn't succeed in rebuilding the Dolphins. Now Sparano is the next to go and Ross needs to get rid of the last of the Parcells failed regime by also ending the tenure of Ireland as the Dolphins GM.
     
  6. Jagfish

    Jagfish Season Ticket Holder

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    Well this means it will have to be a HC that is willing to work with Ireland as the roster architect. Up and comer at HC? Pete Carmicheal or Chud? Mike Nolan?
     
  7. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Hey, at least he digs deep when asking questions during the draft process.:rolleyes:
     
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  8. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    If this is true, I smell another 1st round lineman, followed by another sub .500 season.
    Yay for us!
     
  9. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    Before we crucify Ross, it is quite common for GM's to stay on past the next draft as changing them now would mean you lose all of the scouting, research etc that has already been done. And, there is also a process to find, hire and assimilate the new hire's M.O. - that takes time. The fact that Ireland would/should/will stay shouldn't be a surprise, at least not yet IMO.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think the article is accurate, this piece was run yesterday I believe when he was writing that even if they won out the chances were still slim..its just PFT printing a local reporters opinion..I don't see proof where Ross says on the record that Irish is back.
     
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  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We know Sparano is gone after today, thats not the story, the story is should we fire him 2maro or wait til the end..cause if we wait til the end to fire him, whats the story in that?
     
  12. Jagfish

    Jagfish Season Ticket Holder

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    Mando has been wrong before. He flat out stated there was no way Brady Quinn would slide to the Phins when we drafted the Ginn family. But he has somebody feeding him info.inside the FO or he would look like an idiot for putting this out there if it wasn't true. (He did leave a little wiggle room)"barring some unexpected circumstance"
     
  13. brandon27

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    We all know Sparano's time was up here, especially how things have been this season. A little surprised that Ireland is going to be kept, but, whatever. Only time will tell I suppose.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    I'm sure Armando Salguero is correct that this is Steve Ross' mindset right now.

    However, predicting that Jeff Ireland will be here in 2012 is sort of like predicting the Dolphins would finish the season 8-8.

    It's a prediction of the future based on what you're seeing right now. The big development is that it has been decided that Tony Sparano will not be retained beyond this season. I'm going to tell you right now, whoever the Head Coach is may want some say over who his personnel chief is and how the front office is structured. That doesn't mean the new Head Coach would demand final say, but I've heard it put forward a number of times that the Dolphins' organizational structure is not attractive to many coaches like Jim Harbaugh, Bill Belichick, Bill Cowher, etc. And Steve Ross must know already that the primary reason he didn't get Jim Harbaugh was because he insisted on keeping Ireland. He must also know that would probably be reason #1a that Bill Cowher is not interested, with the lack of quarterback being reason #1b.

    It's easy to say that we're a talented football team when the team won 4 of 5 against a favorable schedule filled with slumping and injured opponents. This loss could be the tip of the iceberg though. We could finish the year with 5 straight losses, a 4-12 team...and then what? People going to keep talking about how talented the roster is?
     
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  15. Disgustipate

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    It's absolutely the right decision to make. Jeff Ireland has done a lot better job than most people are willing to give him credit for.
     
  16. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I guess that depends on who or what you want as our next Head Coach.
     
  17. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Damn still stuck with Ireland.
     
  18. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Salgeuero is never wrong about anything.
     
  19. Jagfish

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    I am as worried about Ireland as a GM as far as talent collection goes, as I am the fact that keeping him hamstrings the potential list of coaches that would have otherwise been attracted to the job.
     
  20. jw3102

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    I have no idea why it would be common practice to keep around a GM and scouting staff who have selected players who have not had a winning season in the last three years. Ross should fire Ireland right along with Sparano and hire a new GM. The draft is not until next May and this will give the new GM and scouting department plenty of time to put together a solid draft board. It is not like Ross is going to go out and hire a new GM who hasn't kept up with the players in the NFL and in college. Ireland has not done the job he was hired to do and therefore he doesn't deserve to keep his position with the Dolphins.
     
  21. padre31

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    Well, think about this...why say it now?

    3 games left, the way the NFL works is now guys will have little reason to play as hard as they have been.

    Which will improve draft slotting


    But 3 games left, now is the time to think about such things, even a .500 season is off the table, 3 straight losing yrs with Sparano, pretty clear a change has to be made.
     
  22. adamprez2003

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    well if ireland stays let him draft an offensive lineman. he does well with those in the first round (pouncey, long). dont trust him with qb. he'll pick landry jones
     
  23. Desides

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    Three losing seasons in a row, awful depth at positions that have had huge amounts of resources devoted to, and several high-profile embarrassments (Dez Bryant, Harbaugh sabotage).

    Ross would ideally fire Ireland before swiveling the chair in Sparano’s direction and firing him.

    On a side note, I wonder what the players, who’ve been mounting a PR campaign on Sparano’s behalf, would feel about Ross firing the guy they want (Sparano) but retaining the guy they hate (Ireland).
     
  24. jw3102

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    The Dolphins are 18-27 over the last two plus seasons. While Sparano certainly deserved to be fired for his lack of coaching ability, Ireland has not provided the team with quality of talent needed to win consistently in the NFL. I think overall Ireland has done a terrible job as the Dolphins GM and he has has far more misses than hits on draft choices and in free agency. The Dolphins are a bad to mediocre team for a reason and it isn't just the fault of the coaching staff.
     
  25. cdz12250

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    If Cowher or Gruden or even Fisher tell Ross that he wants to bring in his own GM, Ireland is out like yesterday's garbage.

    Besides, the source is Mando.

    Finally, predicting that Sparano is gone after today's performance is about as risky as predicting that the sun will rise tomorrow. Sparano had one last chance to stay, and that was to win out. After today, Ross has to be thinking why he ever had any doubt about firing Sparano.
     
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  26. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I still can't get over passing on Gronkowski for Misi.
     
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  27. Ozzy

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    They need to fire Irelands butt right along with Sparano. Send the Dallas connection packing and let Marc Codumbo do their packing...
     
  28. CD13

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    Agree 100%. Also, I am sure Ross would not prevent his coach of choice coming on-board because of Ireland.
     
  29. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    The people who said they wouldn't mind having coach fistpump for another year are probably the same ones who believe this report. Can you even imagine the millions ross would stand to lose if irish stays? Season tickets, merchandise, concessions, overall value of the franchise?
     
  30. Ozzy

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    Credit for what? So he hit on a few players. FOUR seasons in, and there is absolutely no decent depth on the entire roster. He's been terrible in that department and after FOUR seasons the DEPTH should be a strength.
     
  31. ToddsPhins

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    I'm contemplating suing Ireland for that one.
     
  32. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Or just fire him. Problem solved.
     
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  33. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I have always wondered what level of narcissism it takes to believe that a player who has been plagued by injuries is going to come in, stay healthy, and be your mainstay in the positions where the most contact occurs.

    Smiley. Groves. Colombo. There you have it.
     
  34. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    And Jimmy Graham.
     
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  35. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Sure you can , just remember Graham was there but Jerry was more valuable.
     
  36. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    In your opinion, what should the success rate be for a GM?
     
  37. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Dolphins should have a draft pick between 5-7...maybe even 4th if they go 4-12. And odds are they can have a chance at Barkley/RG3...if Ireland IS still here and doesn't get a QB in the first round (or Peyton...) then they might as well move into the Marlins new stadium, because they won't sell 37,000 tickets per game, let alone 70,000.

    I don't like Ireland or trust him...I hope this isn't true. I'd try and give the benefit of the doubt...but the excuse that he's found "some" talent, well he makes millions of dollars, I'd expect him to find some talent. But you need to find a QB and some talent that is above average.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    So the Prez wants Fisher...right on man..
     
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  39. adamprez2003

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    they miscalculated where jimmy graham would go. if the saints didnt pick him he was going to be our draft pick
     

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