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Sparano out, Ireland stays

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PSG, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That was one hell of a concussion.

    Washed up Trent Green is still better than Chad Henne.
     
  2. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Chad Henne is still better than Mark Sanchez. I will believe that till I die.
     
  3. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    It's the same as the result of war. Those that remain write the history.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I don't agree with that FS, or CK's analysis, here is why:

    -Top 5 scoring Defense
    -Top 10 ST
    -#12 running game

    It is convenient to see what one wishes to see, what I mean by that is the 4 losses by 3 pts or less are brushed aside in favor of a narrative, accurate or not.

    The flaws that I'm seeing in this Regime, and what will get Sparano fired, is they tend to fall in love with players, who suck, or they tend to overvalue blue collar over athletes, they also tended to think they can take marginal vets and make them into something they are not.

    How different would this season look "if":

    -they had taken Hernandez/Maoeki/Graham over John Jerry?
    -MMoore had started from week #1?
    -they had not signed Colombo in the first place?

    I do think there are a couple of folks who owe Reggie Bush the running back, a re-evaluation, but time after time, they bring a Vet in, he does jack.
     
  5. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    I don't think Ireland is a problem yet, no one knows how much control Parcells had over personnel decisions while he was here. Sparano however... don't let the door hit you man.
     
  6. padre31

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    Then hypothetically, wouldn't it be better to can both of them just to be sure you have removed the problem(s)?

    I do like Ireland though, but I think he has transmuted into a weasel.
     
  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Adam, I'm not intending to argue with you, but I think you're offensively biased, particularly at the quarterback position.

    Ireland picked up Cameron Wake and Karlos Dansby on the defensive side of the ball and those guys started to make big impact plays about 5 weeks ago...and our defense ranks 4th in the NFL in total number of points allowed. 87.5% of the league's defenses have allowed more points to be scored that Miami's.

    Brandon Marshall frequently receives accolades by many posters on this board (although I'm still pissed at all the TD passes he's dropped) statistically makes big impact plays

    I think we are indeed a very talented team, but I feel the one element we're missing is the same element Don Shula was missing in 1995 when that 53 man roster had 26 former forst round draft picks on it...we're missing, or were missing chemistry.

    Not intending to compare apples and oranges with different sports, but look at the Miami Heat. All that talent with Lebron James, Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade and they couldn't win the championship....even though on paper they were the best team in the NBA.

    Not saying on paper we're the best team in the NFL not by any means necessary, but we are a talented team that lacks chemistry, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. Once Matt Moore became our starter, the team showed we could indeed make big impact plays, winning those 4 games by 21.5 points, 86 points in total.

    The impact playmaking ability is there. The chemistry is not.
     
  8. Disgustipate

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    Sure, if it were at all true. It's not. Look at the roster and who was retained from Mueller/Cameron and before.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/2008_roster.htm

    What WAS inherited was completely re-purposed and re-developed. Joey Porter went from being one of the heaviest cover-workload 3-4 OLBs in the NFL to a guy who was focused entirely on rushing. Matt Roth went from what was essentially a 3-4 DE to 3-4 OLB. Yeremiah Bell went from a 200 lb. depth player to a 220lb. full-time, pro bowl strong safety. Ricky Williams they didn't even want until they realized the season was going in the toilet after Ronnie Brown went down.
     
  9. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    In a word, yes.
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    Not unless you are replacing them with people that are better. In the case of Sparano, I'm not sure that will be very difficult. In the case of Ireland, I think it would be.
     
  11. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Yeah, Ross needs to hire Ireland's PR guy to sell tickets next year. As you said, suddenly all the bad moves are Parcells' ....
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Not that I like the guy very much, but I think Ireland redeemed himself more or less with a pretty solid '11 draft. So, unless a HC that wants his own guy or full control, he likely has some job security moving forward. As for Sparano, whom I do like, it's not so much that he's a bad HC IMHO, it's just that he's waaaayyyy too conservative. Regardless, he's had plenty of time and opportunity to right the ship, and has failed to do so. He just needs to go.
     
  13. texanphinatic

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  14. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Agree. If you know you are going to fire him what is the sense in keeping him around now. Cut him loose.
    And for those who say it might spook the next candidate..Screw that. Coaches understand this is a business. If it bothers them you don't want that guy anyways.
    Stop walking on eggshells and do it. Start the process now.
     
  15. Clipse

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    And all that got us what? Nothing. Why? Because we don't have a QB worth a damn.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    Ive been about Ross repairing his image to a degree, especially when the situation were debating directly corelates to what pissed off NFL people last year, but I just don't know where the line is at this point..I agree in a normal situation that your take is the right one, but I don't think any coach is going to make their decisions until all jobs are open, so I don't know how much urgency you have to have in relieving him now...
     
  17. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I agree. In fact, I was one that advocated firing Sparano at the bye (0-5 at that point). There's no sense keeping him on just for the sake of seeing the season through. May as well see what an assistant can do. Nolan makes the most sense (simply based on his experience), but it doesn't mean he's the only viable option. Maybe Todd Bowles?

    Of course, we wouldn't want to do something as foolish as, oh, I dunno...win 2-3 more games? :shifty:
     
  18. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Does the fact that Sparano was fired today mean this is true now? If they were both going to be fired, I figured it would have been on the same day. I guess Ireland is staying?
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    I don't see why potential coaches would be making decisions until the market is fully set. Just doesn't make sense because they're giving away potential leverage.
     
  20. Zach13

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    Keeping Ireland is a huge mistake.

    This team has not done a very good job of evaluating or acquiring talent while Ireland was here.

    Ross should clean house.
     
  21. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Crowder thinks Ireland will be fired eventually too and thinks we're doomed if he doesn't...I agree of course. Thinks Ross is keeping him longer to get to know more people. I think there's still a chance he gets fired after the season.

    How are people going to look at picks like John Jerry and Koa Misi and bombing on Dez Bryant by asking if his mom was a hooker and say Jeff Ireland is a top GM? He's one of the worst.
     
  22. finfansince72

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    To me keeping Ireland means that we are going to have a much shorter list of coaches to possibly hire, his rep and the way this organization is structured seems to have cost us Harbaugh. If we have to settle for a coach that "puts up" with Ireland then we won't win anything. Ireland has drafted pretty good and he isn't terrible but if he's in the way of us improving the coaching staff then he needs to be fired as well.
     
  23. jw3102

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    Ireland is just as much to blame for the Dolphins record over the last three years as Sparano is. He is a terrible GM and why Ross would be keeping him is beyond me. Hopefully Gruden, Cowher, or Fisher, will be the next HC and the one taking the position will demand that Ross fires Ireland before he will agree to come to the Dolphin organization.

    If Ireland remains the GM of the Dolphins, the Dolphins will remain a mediocre team for the next decade, no matter who the next HC is.
     

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