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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    We'll see how good the Lakers are without Phil, and without Odom and Brown, leaving them looking pretty bad from a depth standpoint.
     
  2. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Not sure if you are serious.

    The Laker trade was handing over to NOLA, 30 mil in salary and NOTHING to build on.

    This is a better trade for a rebuilding team. and this trade gives you a Lottery pick. Eric Gordon is better than any player NOLA was getting in the Laker deal.

    it's not close at all.
     
  3. Section126

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    Lakers have a new system this year. and IMO, one of the worst coaches in basketball.
     
  4. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    I'm sure you mean > right?
     
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  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah, I'd forgotten Jackson left and Brown was hired.

    This could get ugly in LaLa land as Brown is a defensive guy, this is an old team that they tried to get younger by turning over Gasol/Odom and Co.
     
  6. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Ah yes, you wouldn't want Mike Brown to win in LA because hey, if he couldn't win with Lebron then obviously something must be wrong with him. But if he does win the Lakers thenwhat does that say about Lebron? :shifty:
     
  7. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Wow... I think the Hornets got a fantastic deal here. Unbelievable... Gordon is a baller. Not surprised they included him in the trade though. I don't know if LA would be able to afford CP3, Gordon, and Griffin in time.
     
  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'm more of an old school Laker fan... 80's (well not that old...) I don't follow them like I used to. But never had a Lakers flag/jersey... likely never will. The NBA these days is more of a joke. Good entertainment.
     
  9. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    It would tell me that in Cleveland, LeBron was good enough to hide the deficiencies of Mike Brown and the rest of the team. If he wins in LA, it would reaffirm to me that Kobe, one of the GOATs, is also able to hide Mike Browns deficiencies. Players like Kobe and LeBron can make chicken sh*t into chicken salad.
     
  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Which Kobe shows up this yr?

    The Title winning Black Mamba Kobe?

    Or the Kobe who threw a tantrum in the playoffs vs the Suns and let his team lose as a "get me some help" move?
     
  11. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    That he didn't have Gasol or Bynum???

    I don't think Brown is a bad coach necessarily. Closer to average IMO. It will be interesting to see how the Lakers offense turns out this season though.
     
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  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah, it is, the NBA used to be a tough tough place, stuff like "no dunking zones" were common, bring that ball in the lane you were going to get blowed up.

    Now they have a "no charge line"..and Danny Ainge is a respected GM after being the most hated man in the league!
     
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  13. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Yet to be seen, but either was is good enough to get any team to the playoffs IMO.
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    For the Lakers, making the playoffs means absolutely nothing.

    If Kobe and Brown don't mesh, Brown will have as short a coaching tenure in LA as Rudy Tomjonavich.
     
  15. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Can't say I disagree with you.
     
  16. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Oh but Gasol is washed up and Bynum is done. Why would Lebron want those guys?
     
  17. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Because they're both better and more talented than anyone Lebron played with in Cleveland.
     
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  18. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    More like Bynum was last seen showing his *** on tv as he left the court after being ejected from a playoff game, Gasol was crying in his wine over his super model GF dumping him

    Tough guys those, sure to mesh well in Brown's new systems...:lol:
     
  19. Section126

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    Nothing. Players win in the NBA. Not coaches. Sometimes, coaches help you lose. Is it a coincidence that LBJ left that ****hole in Cleveland and he makes the finals in his first year in Miami? Mike Brown is a terrible coach. You will see soon enough. Your luck is that Kobe will be coaching by game 3, so it won't really matter.
     
  20. gamblerx

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    I guess you didn't see the last season's NBA Finals.
     
  21. gamblerx

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    I'll agree to most of your point(if given). But I see him unimaginative on the offensive side of the court. Though I'll give him some credits on how he made bunch of scrubs into good team defenders. Heck, he had Drew Gooden as a starter on that Cavaliers squad that made the Finals.
     
  22. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Eh, that was the exception not the rule. Good coaches can make a difference just as a bad coach can make a difference. For the most part thought its a players league. Rare are your Jerry Sloans, Phil Jacksons and Pat Rileys who can really help less talented teams overachieve. Carlisle did do an excellent job though. He made every right adjustment, made every correct play call, maximized his players talent.
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    Because they are still better than Donyell Marshall and Zydrunas Illgauskus.
     
  24. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Good catch. Yes I meant >
     
  25. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Nah, Mike Brown is just a ****ty coach.
     
  26. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Phil Jackson really helped a less talented team? :confused2:
     
  27. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No but I believe he could.
     
  28. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    True, typically in the NBA when the well coached team meets the more physically talented team, they tend to lose close series.

    Jerry Sloan is as fine a X and O's BBall man as you could think of, his teams just did not have enough to overcome more talent.
     
  29. Section126

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    I don't think you know what you wrote. Or are you suggesting that Spo cost the Heat the Finals?
     
  30. padre31

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    Mavs just executed what they had to do in order to win close games, that was not on Spo, hats off to the Mavs.
     
  31. Section126

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    there are metrics to suggest who coached "better".

    Carlisle did play his better players, based on WP, MORE minutes than Spo did. So advanced stats suggest that Carlisle did a better job.

    and none of that matters if the Heat hold onto a 15 point 4th quarter lead in game 2.
     
  32. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This isnt about the Heat although the fact is they didnt hang on to said lead so none of that matters either.

    The discussion was that few coaches can actually make a difference for the better in the NBA. Carlisle in last years NBA's Finals was just one example not a shot at Miami. For the record I think Spo is a pretty good coach but more to the point I was actually in agreement with your post (#422).
     
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  33. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  34. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    The finals didn't come down to coaching, it came down to 4th qtrs, and we all know what that meant.
     
  35. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    They literally hit every single three-point shot they took.
     
  36. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    not really..but if it makes you feel better, believe what you want.
     
  37. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    See how that works?
     
  38. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    padre, you really have to stop embracing flukes as evidence of something significant and commonplace. They’re flukes for a reason.
     
  39. padre31

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    I don't believe "flukes" exist Des, as in there is no purely random events that dictate outcomes.

    For example, it is not as if the Mavs players were throwing the ball at Heat players, and having the ball go into the hoop, they were taking shots, and they made them.
     
  40. Section126

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    Mavs had one fluke game, and then followed it by a near fluke game. But that doesn't matter. Heat lost game 2 and 6 at home. They deserved to lose. Mavs deserved the win, no matter the flukes. Flukes happen.
     

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