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Guys, there is some hope for Andrew Luck..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Colts have to play Texans and Jags..

    Vikings have to play Redskins and Bears..

    Rams play Steelers and Niners..

    If either the Vikings or Rams could find themselves with that first pick, then there is a much better chance for us to trade up and get Lucky..

    Fun to think about, and not entirely crazy considering the opponents those teams have to play..
     
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  2. MikeHoncho

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    I'm guessing there's still coal to be shoveled aboard the SFL train? Lucky, you wanna get on that bro? :shifty:
     
  3. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I still think the Colts will stick with Manning and trade the pick.
     
  4. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    It must be nice to be able to vomit rainbows and piss rays of sunshine.
     
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  5. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Rams would draft Luck, Bradford was payed a big chunk of his contract already, and the Vikings would draft Luck, they will want to sell out the new stadium when built, who is a better draw, Luck or Ponder?

    And the Colts will take Luck also.
     
  6. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Dolphin's will f-it up. That's the one thing the team is good at, f-ing things up.
     
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  7. MikeHoncho

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    ...assuming they haven't already
     
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  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Very true, but in response to the OP slight chance scenario, they will "Suck at getting Luck".
     
  9. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Hope springs eternal.
     
  10. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sometimes it burns when that happens, but usually it is quite refreshing.
     
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  11. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    This has to be the most important thread this year.
     
  12. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Mark this down now. Colts lose out the rest of the games. They needed one win to stop from becoming that team.. Now they will play **** players and scout for next year and draft Luck to replace Manning in 2 years..
     
  13. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Probably true, but no way Luck will accept sitting for 2 years.
     
  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Oh good God, will you guys give it up already???

    The Miami Dolphins will NOT be drafting Andrew Luck!!!
     
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  15. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I never said WE were getting him, I just think the Colts will trade the pick to the highest bidder. Is it not okay to believe that? No one thought the Texans would take Mario Williams.
     
  16. Kanye West

    Kanye West 'Parcells' Guy

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    We have Matt Moore though...............
     
  17. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Dolphins wouldn't trade up anyway. Jeff Ireland trade up? Not happening. We'll take whatever scraps are left and go 6-10, 7-9, or 8-8 in 2012. They've sucked all my hope.
     
  18. MikeHoncho

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    Hey, we traded up for Danny Thomas didn't we?
     
  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    All of you folks who seem to believe is we don't draft Andrew Luck, we're doomed to medicority REALLY don't know football. You're all quick to annoint Luck as the next Brady, Brees or Manning and while I'm not saying he won't be successful (although being a QB drafted number one overall historically hasn't worked out well), take a look at this season's division leaders:

    AFC
    New England Brady
    Baltimore Flacco
    Houston QB committee it seems
    Denver Tebow

    One elite QB out of 4 teams

    NFC
    New York Giants Manning
    New Orleans Brees
    Green Bay Rodgers
    San Francisco Smith

    Okay, you have three elite QB's in that group however collectively? 4 "elite" QB's and 4 average QB's, and all 8 teams are division leaders. Those teams without elite QB's are winning with a complete team package. Let Brady, Brees, Rodgers or Manning go down...like what happened to Indianapolis...those teams would be struggling.

    Whether or not we elected to trade up to get Luck, whether or not we drafted another first round QB or whether or not we elected to draft another postiion is less relevent than who Miami "drafts" as their head coach next year.
     
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  20. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    We may not be doomed but we will be boned. :shifty:
     
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  21. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Fixed.


    :tongue2:
     
  22. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I don't want to trade up for Luck. (Though I wouldn't mind if they did) Trading up for RG3 or Barkley would be fine. Or finding a way to get Peyton Manning if he became available. I want them to finally make a splash. I would gladly take 3-5 seasons of Manning, considering I've never seen Miami get past the divisional round.

    I don't really trust Jeff Ireland to absolutely hit it on one of the QB's outside the top 3. And it's not really QB why I believe we're doomed to mediocrity...it's because we have been for 10 years...and haven't really been a serious super bowl contender since maybe 1998? I just can't believe the 49ers are going to go 12-4 this season, when the Dolphins haven't been 12-4 or better since 1990.

    I'll believe it when I see it. I used to be hopeful every season but that was all crushed. And since we've dropped from around 15th to 28th in attendance, guess I'm not the only one.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    With the colts winning a game, they are one game away from being tied with 2 other teams for the first pick with 2 to play, with those two teams who are ahead of them who have already spent tremendous resources on that position and having good odds that they will lose their next two games because of their opponent..There's some hope there..

    I don't forsee us winning any more games, So if there is still a chance for us to be able to aquire the best prospect I have ever watched, I'am gonna go to the end..It has nothing to do with SFL, or any other ridiculous promotion, just a possible scenario being discussed..
     
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    nobody is saying were doomed, but for me, Andrew Luck is worth going to drastic measures to Aquire, and if this scenario comes to fruition, and we are that close to that kind of prospect, I would like to do everything possible to aquire him..

    You don't seem to think very highly of the position as do I..nor the player, as do I..nor the impact that kind of player can have at that position and on a franchise, as do I..
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    if you got something to say, then say it? and don't be a wuss when you do it..
     
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If the Rams or Vikes have the first pick, there is a pretty decent chance they would want to have all the picks that would come with trading out of that position, and surround their own young QB with a wealth of talent, Both Gm's have not been fired NJ, so thats a pretty freakin big indictment if they want to draft Luck, pretty unprescedented I might add... good luck selling that to your owner on that move..
     
  27. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Let's see what QBs make it to the Super Bowl.
     
  28. NJFINSFAN1

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    Charlie Casserly agrees with me, says the Rams, Vikings and the Colts would all draft Luck if in that spot, called it a nobrainer.
     
  29. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Charlie Casserly is also the same guy who passed on the no-brainer that was taking Reggie Bush at the #1 overall spot.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The Vikings would have to be damned fools to let the presence of Ponder on their roster preclude them from drafting Luck, if they end up at #1 overall. I could say the same for them also taking Barkley for the same reason that it's probably a major upgrade, if they pick 2 or 3. The rookie cap doesn't make it unrealistic anymore to draft QB in the top half of the 1st, two yrs in a row, IMO.
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He won't have a choice, if he goes to the Colts and they keep Manning too. His only other option is hold out for a year, not play at all in 2012, and reenter in the 2013 draft. Not very likely.
     
  32. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Lord have mercy, Child. You are way too young to be so jaded already!

    Sometimes I feel like a whole lot of people here seem to wake up with their knickers in a knot, a hangover from a dozen shots of ***** and moan and three of gripe and vetch, and then get up drink a hot cup of vinegar sweetened with gall to improve their disposition! I haven't heard moaning and cussing mixed like this since great-gramma got constipated and didn't like what the doctor told her.

    Great Jumping Jehoshaphat..... lighten up, y'all!
     
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  33. Aquafin

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    The problem is that the colts were smart and so were most of the other teams , unfortunately the dolphins screwed themselves up by winning meaningless games. of course the games are not meaningless to the players but in the grad scheme of things we arenot in the playoffs for 13 out 14 years that isnt a good recipe. we need to lose the remaing games and move up or down however that works .


    The bottom line there isnt enough good qbs coming out and we need to make a splash instead of drying up .
     
  34. brandon27

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    According to Bill Polian today on Sirius NFL radio... they won't be trading the pick if they end up with it. I'm sure he's maybe just blowing smoke right now, but he plain as day said it, also alluding to the fact that Caldwell will most likely be fired.
     
  35. Zod

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    REALLY? I'll be your huckleberry. Let's examine your post line by line.

    I know I've said Luck is worth a hefty price. I've never said that he would be the next Brady or Manning but I really don't know who has said THAT other than you to make this counter argument. The statement is more of a creation of your own in your own mind. What do I mean? I mean that NOBODY has said that Andrew Luck would be a HOF'er. That's who you just listed. Could we have some context around here in debate?


    This is where you went all silly. With this statement, you actually reinforced the side of phantom that you are debating. Why? Five.... Count them! Five of the eight teams that you listed here have a quarterback that was drafted in the first round. Of the three that remain:

    One was the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

    One was acquired through DRAFT trade. The total draft cost? A switch of 10th to 8th overall and then the two succeeding years second round picks.

    Only one was the potluck stew that would support your position. He only got in the game due to an injury to who? He would have bench fodder unless THE FIRST OVERALL in front of him had not got injured. The coach? He sucked! He was already run out of one town and dare I say that he would have been run out of the second town had it not been for the INJURY.

    WTF? Why are you saying that if these FIRST ROUND PICKS go down their teams will fail? This doesn't support your position AT ALL. Was this a brainfart or something? Or did it just seem like it would make your argument sound better?

    Which leads me back to this little nugget:

    Sam Bradford - Are you giving up on him already? We gave Chad Henne four years. You are not willing to allow Bradford to finish two years before indictment?
    Matthew Stafford - Ditto (except it's three years) and he didn't look too bad this Sunday in a fourth quarter victory.
    Jamarcus Russell - Ultimate fail due to attitude. It ain't the skillset. How does that translate to Andrew Luck?
    Alex Smith - Ain't he listed in your division winners?
    Eli Manning - Ain't he listed in your division winners?
    David Carr - Gawd! The expansion team of hell! Is this the pick or is it the expansion team?
    Michael Vick - He just kicked the **** out of his....
    Tim Couch - Ugh..... Another expansion team.
    Peyton Manning - Oh! A HOF'er....What a great place to stop.

    What does history show us about 1st overall and quarterbacks again? That's well over a decade listed there and if memory serves me correct there is a HOF'er on the list. There is two division winners (this year) on the list. And there is another that was in the NFC Championship just last year. Is that the history you were discussing?

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiight! Going back to the teams YOU mentioned earlier:

    Indianapolis has the same coach they had last year. What happened?

    Bill Bellichek will one day tell the truth. He coached the best on his worst teams in Cleveland.

    The Ravens were 5-11 the year before Flacco got there. Got a superbowl winning coach fired by the way......

    The Saints were 3-13 the year before Drew Brees got there. Got a coach fired by the way....

    The Broncos were 1-4 before Tim Tebow started his first game of 2011.

    The Giants were 6-10 before Eli Manning got there. Tom Caughlin was the coach then too.



    The point? This is a quarterback driven league. How many players, coaches, analysts, fans, casual observers, or newborn babies have to say it before you understand it?
     
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  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'am glad my piss is like sunshine Brother...

    We gotta freakin chance right now bud..

    Bump this mother grabbin thread...

    YES!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  37. Sethdaddy8

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    If only the powers that be have the balls to give up everything for Luck. Even the Rams may take Luck though, and try and trade Bradford. Someone will give up a 2nd for him...probably.
     
  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think Ross has some balls...He's not afraid to travel across country and try to hire the future best coach in the league.
     
  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    You know.... The Jets will probably trade everything they have for Luck (the next three drafts)... Why do I think of these things?
     
  40. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    I can see Belichick doing something to try to land Luck?
     

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