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The Official 'Batman 3' Thread

Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by Ray Finkle, Jul 15, 2010.

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  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    There's a lot of stuff going on in the trailer, what can I say?
     
  2. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I think we'll have to wait to see the actual movie before questioning either choice 1 or 3, seems odd to question either, especially the football scene without knowing the exact reason for the explosion. Plus I think it's pretty safe to say Nolan isn't a Steeler fan boy, nor would he put something in a movie for no purpose. That scene/effects look incredible either way. As for Hathaway, I trust Nolan, he hasn't done a poor job casting in any of his movies in my opinion with the exception of Katie Holmes but that was a WB choice, not his (before WB gave him complete creative control of the franchise).

    As for #2, I believe its suppose to be a version of the Batwing. And while agree it seems like an odd choice, I'm sure there's a realistic explanation as to why it's included in the movie. But again even if there's not, it looks cool as hell, and I'm one of those fans that wants things to be as realistic as possible.
     
  3. unluckyluciano

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    batman begins wasn't a bad film at all.
     
  4. finsincebirth

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    I read about this the other day, it is indeed the batwing. To shoot the scene, the batwing is on a truck and then they edit the truck out.

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  5. Desides

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    I never said Nolan was a Steelers fan, I said that there appears to be little point to the specific scene included in the trailer beyond someone (who is not Nolan) with some measure of control over the film wanting the Steelers to be included in some manner.

    Let me rephrase the question: why does Bane need to blow up a football field when the Joker got his point across with a couple of bullets and a few video tapes? I can't even see how this fits in with an Occupy Gotham theme, if that really is the story here. Is football suddenly the domain of the 1%?

    I trust Nolan, too. But that doesn't mean everything he does is gold. Look at the way he handled Scarecrow at the beginning of TDK; not only was that an awful way to write him out, but it wouldn't have been necessary if Batman Begins hadn't left that particular plot thread dangling.

    I get that it's a version of the Batwing, I'm just saying it's out of place in this specific version of the Batman universe. Even the Tumbler was relatively grounded.

    BB was the best Batman film before TDK. And in a lot of ways, it still is the best pure Batman film. It's just not one of the all-time great films that TDK is.
     
  6. unluckyluciano

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    eh I don't know about that, I personally think burtons campy visions were pretty damn good.
     
  7. Ray Finkle

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    I think Nolan has complete control in everything, including any marketing and what's shown even in the trailers. I think they included that scene in the trailer because that's probably their biggest special effect in the movie and they want to showcase it. Much like they did with flipping the truck over in TDK, which was included in the trailers for TDK.

    As for why Bane blows up a football field, who knows? I do know that there's more to that scene than Bane just blowing up the field. In the prologue and the trailer, it just seems that Bane is on more of a mission than The Joker was. Plus don't forget The Joker blew up a hospital in TDK, if you're looking for a bigger body count a football stadium holds more people than a hospital. Or if Bane just wants to send a message why not attack a football game? Isn't it one of America's biggest fears that terrorists will attack at a major sporting event like the Superbowl?

    I actually didn't mind how he treated Scarecrow in TDK, sure Batman captured him quite easily but he really wasn't much of a threat in BB anyway. I liked the cameo just seeing him. But I could see why people would be upset over it, it just didn't bother me much.

    And agreed on the Batwing, BB and TDK.
     
  8. Ray Finkle

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    I enjoyed Batman '89 and Batman Forever, even if they're flawed movies. I also thought Batman Returns was ok and even though Batman & Robin is crap, I don't mind watching it as I feel it's more a nod to the 60's TV show and I don't take it seriously.
     
  9. SICK

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    When I think of a real-world city that reminds me of Gotham I think Chicago, Pittsburgh, and if we are including football cities only.......Oakland. Any would have been a good choice to represent a Gotham football team. More so Chicago/Pitt because of the grey skies, windy/snow conditions and all around "suck your life out" of a city. So Pitt was a good creative choice, maybe not some pitt fan wanting to get his fave team in there.

    As for Bane blowing up the football field......yeah Joker got his point accross.....yet failed. He's in Arkham. He also blew up hospitals, and attempted to blow up a ship.

    Bane mentions Gotham being in ashes. I couldnt think of a bigger way than blowing up 80k people, high priced celeb athletes and coaches, and one of the more popular entertainment avenues of our lifetime (professional football)....he will get everyones attention, and it's (imo) a part of his mass destruction he wants to/will create in Gotham city.
     
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  10. Ray Finkle

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    Also regarding any speculation on an Occupy Gotham storyline, the real Occupy Wallstreet movement started Sept 17th of this year. Nolan's team wrote the story outline before they started filming Inception and finished up writing the script of TDKR in 2010. So that should put some doubt to rest, as that seems like it's the hot rumored storyline nowadays.
     
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  11. Firesole

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    Bane is an all out terrorist in every sense of the word. He doesn't use his wit or his intellect to think 12 steps ahead a la Joker. The guy just wants havoc, he wants to break ****, he uses force in every possible way.
    Maybe he understands that causing a terrorist attack at a place where 80,000 people will all be in the same building would cause more fear than blowing up a couple of ferry boats.
     
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  12. Ray Finkle

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    Exactly what I'm thinking. Plus factor in all the people watching the game on TV (I think it's safe to assume football is as popular in the Nolan Gotham world as it is in our 'real' world), I think it would cause even more chaos and fear than anything The Joker did in TDK.
     
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  14. Ray Finkle

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    Nolan has already said this will be his last Batman film as this third film is brings closure to the characters, but he'll stay on as a producer (much like he now is with the Superman franchise). However the 2015 target date is most likely speculation.
     
  15. Bruzer

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    With the success of batman films I could see them taking another shot at it for sure, so while speculation possibly not very surprising either
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    TDK made a billion dollars for them and TDKR is going to be a huge hit so of course they're going to want to continue to make Batman films. However I think/hope they learned their lesson with Batman & Robin and will take their time finding a film maker who will bring the character and story justice like Nolan has.

    My only hope is that the next Batman series doesn't retell Batman's origin as I think Batman Begins does that perfectly. Just pick up the story from whereever the next film maker wants, everyone knows how Batman became Batman. Let's see him in his prime fighting crime.
     
  17. Bruzer

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    Ya I agree I think they should venture a different storyline, because i loved batman begins and tdk, like you said I feel it couldn't be done much better.
     
  18. Firesole

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    This reboot would be wise to stay away from bringing in The Joker. Even in 2015 I think it would be just way too soon and ultimately compared to Jack and Heath ledger.

    On the other hand, I just pray that they do something along the lines of a Frank Miller comic, and would live them to use a Killer Croc or Penguin.
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I think its best they stay away from any of the villians used in the Nolan films for the next series. I think we'd probably see Penguin and The Riddler since Nolan didn't tackle them and they're the most popular villians after The Joker and Catwoman. But I'd also like to see Hugo Strange, Killer Croc and Mr. Freeze but using those characters in a more realistic way.

    I also think 2015 might be too soon to start a new series. I think 2018 would be a better option to let the Nolan series stand alone and get people to want to see the character more by having them wait. But a lot depends on how well the new Spiderman reboot does, if it's a huge success I can see WB trying to push out another Batman movie for 2015/2016.
     
  20. Samphin

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    Did you not like Batman Begins? Up until TDK, it was my favorite movie. TDK blew it away, but that is because that movie is insanely good. If this movie tops out at Batman Begins, I am a happy consumer.

    And blowing up the football field may be part of something bigger, we don't know. TDK started off with a big bank heist, so if the movie starts or has some time dedicated to establishing Bane as a mass destructor...it is fine by me.

    I was surprised to see the bat-wing as well, I am hoping that Wayne Industries has a way of explaining that one. That's how they have done it in the past.
     
  21. Samphin

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    A Frank Miller Batman port to the big screen would be VERY interesting. However, Nolan's movies are loosely based on Miller's concept, even using the similar titles. In Miller's version of The Dark Knight Returns, Batman has retired for 10 years and is 55. In Nolan's version, it is eight years after after. Although, for obvious reasons, you can't have the Joker be the main villain as he is in Miller's version, but still, it may be too close to do a direct Miller adaptation. I would watch it though as I am a Batman mark.
     
  22. unluckyluciano

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    I actually am wondering if them going with the jean paul valley character. Although I don't think that'd be too popular lol

    On another note, I think burtons batmans are vastly under appreciated now. The latest installment is awesome no doubt, but I think burtons visions were great in their own way as well.
     
  23. Fin D

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    The Burton Batmans had their moments and a handful of ideas that were nice, but in the end, like all Burton movies, they had too much...whimsy. Fans want Batman to be a a serious steak dinner, and Burton made serious steak candy. In retrospect, Burton would have been more suited bringing Spiderman to the big screen instead of Batman.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    I wouldn't say they're vastly under appreciated now, I think they've just been exposed a bit because of how good Nolan's films have been. I mean Batman Returns was a Batman film only in name, it was basically a Tim Burton film with Batman characters in it. Burton was obviously uncomfortable making a direct sequel and I think it hurts the 2nd film a bit too. And Batman '89, while I thought and still think it's a good film, is flawed in it's own right especially the whole Joker killed Bruce's parents angle and the bell tower scene. Plus using Prince songs makes the film dated and I still can't get over the Joker takes down the Batwing with one shot while Batman misses when firing tons of rounds at him.
     
  25. unluckyluciano

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    Id say it has more to do with americans obsession with dramas and their souring on tim burton's directorial style. Neither of which really makes sense to me.
     
  26. unluckyluciano

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    just a clarification though, I'm not saying I think burtons match up to the series now. I do think though they aren't as far apart as most people seem to think they are.
     
  27. Fin D

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    You sound like a grumpy old man.

    Drama is no bigger today than other time in movies. From Apatow comedies to other superhero fare (Iron Man, Thor) to pixar, people aren't looking for serious drama all the time. Batman, traditionally, is the serious superhero though. His abilities are based in reality. His psyche is tortured.

    I like Tim Burton, though its been awhile since he's a made a movie I really liked (and I didn't even hate Big Fish, like most of everybody else did), I'd like to see him recapture some the magic that made movies like Beetlejuice & Edward Scissorhands. I feel like his style has changed into more a caricature of that era of Burton.
     
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  28. unluckyluciano

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    Dramas always bigger. Don't believe me check the oscar race every year. Check book best sellers. America as a whole is obsessed with drama. Ask anyone what their favorite shakespear play is, its always the tragedies. America loves tragedy/drama.
    I don't understand how me pointing something out culturally makes me a grumpy old man as I'm not saying its ever been any different.

    stoopid.
     
  29. Ray Finkle

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    I disagree, I think Burton's Batman '89 has tons of plot holes and things that just don't add up or make sense which hurt the film. A lot has to do because the while filming the script was being rewritten on the fly due to the writer's strike. And Batman Returns really isn't a Batman movie, he's just using the names of the characters which again I think it hurts the film. I like both movies (for different reasons) but I don't think they're close to being as good as Nolan's films. And I happen to be a big Burton fan and I "get" the messages he's trying to send in his films. To each his other though, it may seem like I don't enjoy his Batman movies but I do.
     
  30. Fin D

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    Whopptie doo, the Oscar race. Look at box office. Box office directly correlates to what people want to see. Comedies, fantasy, horror, action flicks are way more box office power houses than dramas.
     
  31. finsincebirth

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    And emo vampires. Dont forget that part.

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  32. unluckyluciano

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    yeah dramas win all the awards. try to trivialize it all you want. it is what it is. dramas are seen as the better films. whooptie doo, you follow the box office numbers. big ****ing deal. And fyi the mere fact that a ****ty movie like titanic was such a big hit negates your argument. whooptie doo.
     
  33. unluckyluciano

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    the original comics don't make sense which is why they had to introduce the later comics which try to make it more realistic.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    I think the major problems with Batman '89 are:
    -no one in Gotham seems to know who Bruce Wayne actually is, yet he's the richest guy in the city, how is that possible?
    -no one in Gotham knows/remember's Bruce's parents were murdered. Alex Knox had to do some hard hitting research to crack that case, again seems unbelievable that the richest man in the city and his wife were killed yet no one remembers it happening.
    -after 1 date Bruce is ready to give up on being Batman for Vickie Vale
    -Alfred brings Vickie into the Bat-Cave to confront Bruce (one of the scenes I was talking about being rewritten because of the writer's strike and shooting schedule)
    -The Joker, after being wanted by the police for murder, throws a party on the streets of Gotham yet no one like the police tries to stop him
    -Batman in the Batwing, fires numerous rounds at The Joker, missing him every time, then the Joker pulls a big gun out of his pants and takes down the Batwing with a single bullet.
    -The Joker being the killer of Bruce's parents (Burton just decided to do that to add more tension to their final battle) but it backed him into a hole where The Joker had to die since he knew who Batman was
    -Batman kills people and doesn't care (goes against his mission, although in early comics Batman did kill)
    -characters like Commissioner Gordon and Harvey Dent are wasted in this film, they do nothing

    Again this film is probably my 3rd favorite Batman movie after TDK and BB but it has a ton of plot holes that hurt the movie in my opinion. I don't think it's under appreciated (I think Batman Forever is) though.
     
  35. Fin D

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    You're changing your argument. You said its what people want. Awards are not indicative of what people want. That isn't trivializing anything. If you want to say dramas are considered better movies, fine. But that isn't what you said. Titanic is the exception that proves the rule. I would like to point out it was a FX driven movie and had Kate Winslet's ****, so not typical dramatic fare.
     
  36. Pagan

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    That and the fact that he cast "Mr. Mom" as Batman.
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    Haha, I know you hated the casting choice. I actually didn't mind him as Bruce Wayne/Batman, I thought he did a pretty good job considering the limitations in the costume and the material he was given to work with (which was pretty much nothing in Batman Returns). I actually didn't mind Val Kilmer as Batman but hated his Bruce Wayne, while I thought George Clooney was a pretty good Bruce Wayne but a bad Batman (again not sure I can fault him with the material he was given). Obviously Christian Bale is great as both Bruce and Batman.
     
  38. maynard

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    and a cute leading man/boy.


    oh crap...
     
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  39. unluckyluciano

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    I'm not changing anything.And how is saying dramas are seen as better films changing the argument? You need to go back and read what I wrote. Americans are obsessed with dramas. They are seen as the better films. You brought up the box office, but even if you look at the cartoons, etc, most of the popular ones include some sort of tragedy/drama. Check the all time box office listing. I see 2 real comedies in the top ten. As for the oscars, yes they are not always indicative of what the people want, but they also are , hence the titanic example. Look at the news as well. The way its sold is meant to push the tragedy of things more often then not. Anything that is happy news is usually seen as campy.
     
  40. Miamian

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    I absolutely abhorred the choice of Keaton as Batman and still do. He absolutely looks zilch like the character. I agree that Bale is by far, the best Batman/Bruce Wayne among all the actors that have played the character. However, Adam West did do a good Bruce Wayne.

    As for Batman returns, I loved the DeVito Penguin. Something had to be done to darken the version from the 60's TV series and it came across great. The Pfeiffer Catwoman was also really good, but to me Selina Kyle isn't blonde.

    Funny that I was thinking about this today, but a lot of people talk about how much better the Ledger Joker was than the Nicholson version and I don't think that it's appropriate to compare them. Nicholson really brought out the character as it is in the comics, a homicidal maniac that puts a humorous twist on his murder e.g., the acid-squirting flower, the watchmacallit-I-remember-thingee in the hand, joking "Andres a little hot under the collar," singing "I made you first, I made you first." Ledger's was more of a homicidal maniac that found what he did amusing, but no one else would.
     

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