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Chad Henne era over in Miami?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Dec 21, 2011.

Henne done in Miami?

Poll closed Dec 31, 2011.
  1. Yeah, seen enough

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  2. Not yet, sign him to a cheap contract

    16 vote(s)
    16.0%
  3. Wait to see what the new Coach does

    16 vote(s)
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  4. undecided

    4 vote(s)
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Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. bojack72

    bojack72 Junior Member Club Member

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    Now with Barkley staying in school, what happens if Miami can't trade up, and doesn't like any Qb's available to them in the first round. Do you resign Henne?
     
  2. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Moore > Henne.
    Therefore Moore starts and Henne signs for backup money or leaves.
    QED.
     
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  3. pacadermng67

    pacadermng67 New Member

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    I would consider it but I think it might cause too much friction in the locker room.

    I hope Henne ends up leading the Seahawks to multiple NFCW Titles....
     
  4. Robert Horry

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    Honestly, I don't even think thats true. What I do think is that the team has a done good job limiting the amount of times Moore throws per game. If you look at his stats, he's barely throwing the ball, almost in realm of Tebow-amount throws. If Moore was asked to throw 35-45 times per game, that would not be a pretty sight at all. On top of that, Moore has pretty damn good accuracy, especially when he has a pocket and time. But if he has little to no time, he turns into something completely different.

    What I saw was that the Dolphins could not help but fall in love with Henne's arm to their detriment. Look at his games, he's throwing the ball 30-50 times per game instead of easing it in with the running game.
     
  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    So what you are saying is a back like Bush would have helped Henne? :up:
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So does every other QB.
     
  7. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Except for Aaron Rodgers!
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    You cannot know that, MMoore has not had the opportunity to throw the ball that often, all one is doing is projecting your opinion.
     
  9. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You all bring up an excellent point. When the pressure gets in Brady's face, the Patsies lose. At this moment Nolan is watching film to see how he's going to dial it up.

    We need two decent games out of Colombo and Carey. Just two. And somebody please cover the tight end and watch for the screen.
     
  10. Robert Horry

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    But at the same token, people write off Henne the first 4 games of the season even though he was under constant barrage of pressure and never had the protection Moore has right now?

    It doesn't make sense.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Makes perfect sense, what was different about the 2010 Browns gm, and the 2011 browns gm?
     
  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Certainly Henne's play.
     
  13. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    But most definitely its the case for Tom Brady
     
  14. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    People still see Henne as a victim of circumstance, hilarious. I bet there will be a line of GMs dying to sign him as their starter this spring. I mean clearly they'll realize how it was a combination of bad coaching, poor line play all the time, no running game, receivers making drops, etc. that caused Henne not to look like at least a middle of the pack starter in the league if not better.

    Matt Moore is clearly a better QB than Henne. How much better remains to be seen but what is clear is that he is better and more productive.
     
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  15. padre31

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    Henne is a guy who needs a fresh start elsewhere imo, maybe a Fisher sees something in him, and if he did then fine.

    Otherwise, 31 starts, negative Td to int ratio every yr he started, decent accuracy and toughness but lacks killer instinct

    Henne's problems are above the neck, you can see the talent but not the "dammit I'm a badass Qb!" attitude.
     
  16. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Not that I would classify Henne as such, but I think you can be a victim of circumstance and still not be more than average player.
     
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  17. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Well Matt Moore had done well the season before that and has been doing well for weeks now this season. So it's a logical conclusion because the bad season is starting to look like it is not necessarily the norm. Chad Henne has had over 30 NFL starts and has failed to string together good games at any point or throw more TDs than INTs. I think the circumstance that Chad Henne is a victim of is that starting at QB in the NFL is a job that is too hard for him to be good at. Most players don't fall into perfect situations, and again we're talking about a sample size of two full seasons or so. It's always something with him. I'm going to be interested to see the interest he gets from NFL GMs this spring and if anybody gives him a shot at starting for their team. I don't think there's any argument anymore about Chad Henne being a possible top notch NFL starter. I think the debate now is that some of us don't believe Henne is somebody that any team not hurting at the position would consider starting and some seem to think we haven't seen his ceiling yet.
     
  18. mbmonk

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    Henne did have a running game in his first season playing (2009). We had the #4 running attack in the league. Resulted in a negative TD to INT ratio by Henne.

    2010 we get Marshall to give him a receiving threat so we can throw the ball more (running game goes in the tank). Negative TD to INT ratio again.

    2011, New 'opened up' offense (Because the conservative play calling was the problem now... right?). Results 4 TD's and 4 INT's before he got hurt.

    I am not saying Henne is garbage. He isn't. He is talented, but he has some serious issues and sadly I am not sure if anyone can come up with a system that can hide all his weaknesses and play to his strengths.

    If he goes to the Jets it could be a disaster. I could be wrong but Henne was terrible throwing out of traditional run personnel packages ( 2RB + 1TE, 2 RB + 2 TE ) here in Miami. Which is similar what the Jets do to my limited knowledge of them.

    The Pats, this might work, it's a more opened up offense which seems to suit Henne better, but again you have this accuracy issue w/ Henne. I don't know.

    I hope he does find his niche in the NFL. It won't be here though.
     
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  19. gandalfin

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    Thing is,with a new coaching staff here he will be getting a fresh start.
     
  20. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    His third?

    Keep in mind, the whole offseason was oriented to making Henne a success, he was the only guy with the playbook, he ran the informal practices, he got all of the first team reps in Training Camp, I'm not sure the next HC will look at that and say "we gotta have this guy back!"
     
  21. muscle979

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    Realistically the chance of Henne being back in Miami next season can't be much more than about 1%, if there is any chance at all. The new coach is not going to want him. Why would he? In all likelihood they'll be drafting somebody and they already have Matt Moore who is at a minimum just as good.
     
  22. HardKoreXXX

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    Kinda sucks when that "whole offseason" consisted of him not having coaches around to help him get acclimated to that new playbook.

    I honestly think Henne would be having near to equal the success Moore is having right now had he stayed healthy, though it doesn't really matter because the Dolphins should be thinking draft/Peyton Manning right now in regards to the QB position.
     
  23. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It would have been interesting to see if Henne would have had the offense in the same turnaround as MMoore has. I still don't think Moore is much more than a good backup. He's shown this type of surge in his play in his past, and then regressed. How much of Henne's struggles were from Fasano, Marshall and Bess dropping passes or running the wrong routes or from the OL not giving Henne enough time for plays to develop, as they are now. Or from the run blocking being so bad that the Bush acquisition was being questioned as to it's validity. All these issues, Moore hasn't had to deal with, except on an occasional basis... But it really doesn't matter at this point. Moore is considered practically a God now because the REST of the team suddenly is playing better, particularly the OL...

    I think an established coach could make a go of it with Henne. I don't think that will happen here, the fan base would revolt. Henne has had his time here, even tho I think there is more than what we got from him. Some team will get a decent QB because the fan base here simply won't sit still for him to come back here. Besides that, it doesn't fit into Ross' plan of making a big splash.
     
  24. padre31

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    My goodness, he had it for months and months Hkx, he was responsible for teaching it to players at the informal workouts, how much hand holding does he require?


    I tedn to doubt that because MMoore is having success making throws that Henne would not make, not even try to make them.

    Moore's problem though he is shies away from the high percentage, underneath stuff that Henne was efficiently working when he played.

    TBH, I also think Henne is physically more durable then Moore, yes even with being IR'd, Henne was one tough SoB.
     
  25. padre31

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    Well, put it this way, 25% of the nfl is going to be FA's this offseason, if Henne is willing to take 1.5 millie per yr for 3 millie for 2 yrs, that additional funds could be a cheapy vet who can step in and play day 1.

    That depends on whether or not we draft a Qb, and who knows how that will play out?
     
  26. Pandarilla

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    Unless he really wants a fresh start, why not re-sign him? You can't fault a freak injury, I mean, he clearly was progressing...

    However, if we don't land a surefire franchise guy, then Henne could possibly sabotage us by winning meaningless games.
     

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