If the Rams draft Luck and try to trade Bradford, he is worth a lot more than a 2nd IMO. His two lackluster seasons so far notwithstanding, other than Luck, there is no QB in this draft worth more than Bradford IMO. If I were picking say tenth overall and needed a QB, I'd trade the 10th pick in this draft straight up for Bradford.
I'm not sure that Bradford can be traded considering the monstrous rookie contract he still is under. He was the #1 overall...
I don't think it's realistic to trade Bradford. The Rams would trade the Luck pick. I don't even think they'll play coy about it. They'll announce right off that they plan on selling the pick to the highest bidder, and they'll allow the market to set the price. Thing is, there's a possibility that Cleveland will shy away from giving the farm for him as long as RG3 is available, and there's a chance Washington will shy away from betting the farm on him as long as Ryan Tannehill is available.
Unless the Colts beat Jacksonville next week, they will maintain the #1 overall. St Louis and Minnesota are pretty far back in SOS% and are not likely to make up ground. It's not impossible... but it's highly unlikely... Edit: yes it is statistically impossible...
If either MIN or STL lose this SAT it's gonna be hollywood-like drama for the IND/JAX game next week. Does Jax want to see Luck in their division for 15 years or do they lay down?
I forget who said it on espn, but they said Bradford's contract was front loaded and get got paid a good bulk of his money already, so trading him is a possibility according to them. Again, its just what I heard, so I'm not sure its correct.
According to Rotoworld, Bradford's contract... This doesn't include the 2010 base numbers. We don't know how the guaranteed money breaks out specifically, but we can use an average method for purposes of discussion and say that the $18m signing bonus split over six years is $3m per season. If you trade Bradford at the draft in 2012, you're looking at the unamortized portion of that amount to be 4 X $3m... or $12m... that would be the cap hit, potentially. And that's a pretty large number but it's not prohibitive. The bigger question is that guaranteed number and how that is broken down. You're looking at another $32m somewhere. According to roto here the base salaries are guaranteed along with a first year $2.8m bonus. So the question is, are those remaining base years counted against the cap if he is traded since they are guaranteed?
HAHAHA incentives on Super Bowl and play off appearances. shoulda got incentives based on actual wins.
Realize I'm answering my own question... IMO, those base years would need to be accelerated since they are guaranteed. So you're looking at another $9.5m or so in cap hit. That's $21.5m total. Think we're getting into that prohibitive number.
Then it would depend on how that was defined. Was it a bonus or was it part of his 2010 salary? Which would be sneaky since 2010 was uncapped.
This is a good little article from the Rams fan site I guess: http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/10/12/2486074/st-louis-rams-salary-cap-nfl-trade-deadline The quotes are from Rams' VP and COO Kevin Demoff. According to Demoff, the Rams expect to have about $10 million in cap space for 2012, assuming a relatively flat cap and players returning on their current contracts as well as signing draft picks. It's also worth pointing out that most of the Rams' free agent additions this year are playing under one-year contracts. Demoff noted that it's too soon to start thinking about re-signing those players. After reading this and trying to figure out exactly where all the money is, roster bonus vs signing bonus, the conclusion is that the Rams would have a very hard time trading Bradford and fitting the impact of that under their cap. Also, the team that is taking on Bradford would likely want to restructure the contract, as I expect some roster bonuses to be excessive. The easier thing to do would be to trade the pick for a cache of weapons that you can use to support the team and Bradford himself.
Just saw NFL live and the most likely to get the pick.......STL and they really cant trade Bradford. Would anyone criticize this from office for finally going for broke and giving whatever for Luck? Know I wouldnt
Paid already doesn't mean expensed already. That's the problem. The money could be paid but still be amortized to future years and that's what accelerates if he gets traded. It would be a huge charge against the salary cap, I think.
Just a reference to your undying eternal optimism my friend. Right before the outset of the battle, looking down toward the largest encampment of Indians that any of them had ever seen, one of the last survivors to see him alive reported Custer said: "Hurrah boys, we've got them! We'll finish them up and then go home to our station." You gotta be an pretty big optimist to feel so sure in the face of such overwhelming odds.
Mr C..Our odds are a lot better than they were, i think the optimism is justifiable if the rams or vikes get the pick because of their own QB situation, the momentum and energy that the colts are playing with, the suckitude for which Gabbert is playing with, and the fact that I have never seen a franchise invest so heavy on the QB position one year, than the very next, do it again.. I also believe Andrew Luck is so unique as a player, he's gonna make people do things that go against everything we've known to be protocol..Hopefully that includes the offer we put on the table. I'am no blind optimist my brother, {I know your not insinuating that} This optimist will put his record up against anyone on player evaluation.
It's gonna take a lot more than just the Rams getting the 1st pick overall. There will be several other teams trying to trade up, and don't the Browns have two 1st rounders this season to include as part of an offer? IMO, there will be 2-3 teams in a position to make a more enticing offer for the 1st overall pick than we will be able to do.
Our only possible hope is if Luck wants to come here and lets other teams know he'll only sign with us. Not likely.
It's all about winning Super Bowls. Look at this list and how many are not just elite but HOFers or future HOFers. Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger Eli Manning Peyton Manning Ben Roethlisberger Tom Brady Tom Brady Brad Johnson Tom Brady Trent Dilfer Kurt Warner John Elway John Elway Brett Favre Troy Aikman Steve Young Troy Aikman Troy Aikman
I agree, it basically takes a franchise type QB to win the Super Bowl. Other than Dilfer, and Johnson, who happen to play on teams with dominant defenses, every other team who has won a Super Bowl over the last 19 years have all had great QB's. I could care less if the Dolphins have to trade their first and second round picks for the next three years to obtain the opportunity to pick Luck in the upcoming draft. They should do it. The QB is the most important position on a football team. Luck may be the best QB to to enter the draft since Peyton Manning. If you look at the first and second round draft picks the Dolphins have made over the last three years, I would trade every one of these players for Luck, any day of the week.
Thank You. This same nonsense argument comes up every damn year on this board, "we can win with Fiedler managing the game", "all we need is Lucas to not turn the ball over..." "with a strong running game and oline, great defense our Qb doesn't have to be elite", etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. I'm not sure how anyone can be a Phins fan and honestly still be preaching about game managers and mediocre Qbs. We don't have an elite Qb, we need one, you do what you need to do to get one. We keep settling for mediocre Qbs and investing YEARS hoping we can turn them into great Qbs or put a great team around them. I hope the next coach we get has enough sense to realize that the QB comes FIRST not last and is the most important position. The list of Superbowl winners illustrates the point so plainly that arguing against it is just about insane. A guy like Moore or Henne is fine to hold down the position while a young guy is being groomed but you don't build around them and invest years trying to win with the handicap of having a game manager when other teams have elite Qbs.
The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs (I think it was 2002?) were not just dominant defenses.... they were two of the greatest defenses in the history of pro football. Miami wasted the Marino years. If we ever happened to build him a competent defense........we would have won a few. Olivadotti is still banned from Miami.
I guess I should rephrase myself. When has taking a QB outside of the first round ever worked for us?
we also dont have a Irving Fryar , Jim Jensen, and the Marks brothers and a keith Jackson and a Dan Marino either.
and the 1983 draft was probably the greatest QB draft in history. that + marino's alleged cocaine use is the only reason we got to snag him so late in the 1st round. so unless you guys want to wait around for those conditions to happen again........