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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KB21, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...26,167712&dq=carl+peterson+dick+vermeil&hl=en

    I can't copy and past this, so you will have to read the clip from the newspaper.

    It appears that back in 2001, Carl Peterson was talking wtih Dick Vermeil, possibly about the Chiefs' head coaching job, while he still had Gunther Cunningham as his head coach. The article states that Carl is still pondering making a change, but reports that Carl and KC VP Lynn Styles met with Dick Vermeil. Even Vermeil stated that it would be unethical for him to comment on the KC job that isn't open.

    What does all this mean?

    Perhaps nothing.

    However, I think you can draw some conclusions as to who Stephen Ross is listening to while he makes his decisions. The scenario above is not that different from the scenario Stephen Ross went through in January, when he flew across the country to talk to Jim Harbaugh. In fact, Carl Peterson is the guy that introduced Stephen Ross to Jim Harbaugh in the first place. So, do you think Carl Peterson had nothing to do with Ross's decision to hire Jim Harbaugh? Can't be proven 100%, but I think it is likely.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...r-stephen-ross-dolphins-job-harbaugh-dolphins

    This is not surprising to me. Carl Peterson is Stephen Ross's closest confidant when it comes to football. Ross is going to listen to him. I can't find a link to prove this, but I've heard another guy that Ross has talked to about the Dolphins situation and looked for advice from is a Carl Peterson guy, Tony Dungy.

    Now, it at least appears likely that Carl Peterson will be brough on as the Team President for the Miami Dolphins. I think we can bank on Peterson being the guy that aids, if not leads Jeff Ireland in the coaching search. In fact, there was a recent report from Dan Pompei that says Peterson is the reason Ireland is being retained. What that likely means is that any coach who is going to want power over personnel decisions is not likely to be hired. That probably rules out Bill Cowher, even though I think Miami will feel him out to see if he is interested in working alongside a GM rather than hiring his own. However, there is a strong Bill Cowher to Carl Peterson connection that could make this happen.

    Miami may ultimately focus on a few retreads. Guys who have experienced what it is like to be a head coach but went into poor situations for first time head coaches and didn't succeed.

    Much like Carl talked Dick Vermeil out of retirement though, I wouldn't rule out Carl trying to bring on another older coach who has been "retired" from the NFL but is currently coaching in the UFL -- Marty Schottenheimer. Yes, he is 68 years old, but there is not a better coach at turning a team around than Marty. He may not have playoff success, but he at least gets his teams to the playoffs.
     
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  2. padre31

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    TBH, KB, hiring the Schottie the Elder, reminds me a bit to much of Chuck Knox's final tour of duty with the Rams, he shouldn't have been hired.

    Knox and Schottie have had the same career arch as well, different era and one that I don't believe his style would translate well enough into, his time was 07 prior to hiring Cameron imo.

    I'd also expect him to recommend his son Brian the truth be told.
     
  3. schmolioot

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    Marty was interviewed on sirius NFL Radio a month or two back and sure sounded like he was done with coaching. sounded tired frankly.

    I guess you never know, but I highly doubt Marty is looking to get back in or that we would be interested
     
  4. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Mart Schottenheimer would be a dream come true here.
     
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  5. Omaha

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    Schottenheimer would be terrible.
    He is just a varsity version of dave wannstedt.
    I lived in KC when he was there. the joke was run, run , run, punt.
    NO to ANY schottenheimer.
     
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  6. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    How many poor teams has Dave Wannstedt made playoff contenders? People look at Marty and think Marty ball, but San Diego clearly wasn't run run run punt when Marty had Drew Brees and Philip Rivers at quarterback.

    The fact of the matt is, this guy went to a Cleveland Browns team that was a disaster and made them a playoff contender. He did the same with Kansas City and San Diego. His history is one of turning poor teams into good teams.
     
  8. Omaha

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    into good teams not great. Yes I agree.

    (one could argue that Sparano took a poor team into a playoff team)

    Marty has a ceiling clearly he has proven it time and time again.
    Yes his teams do very well in regular season and always underachieve in the post season.

    So he will bring Miami back to the glory days of 10-11 wins and out in the first round of the playoffs. I don't want to relieve the 1990-2000 dolphins I am looking for the 1970's team.

    I want MORE. And there is no evidence that Marty can ever get over the hump. He had a great team in San Diego and messed it up. Just because Norv Turner is totally incompetent, it makes Marty look better.

    NO to ANY schottenheimer.
     
  9. KB21

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    You have to get to good before you can get to great, IMO. If he can stabilize the Dolphins over a 4-5 year period, at his age, it is easy to anticipate that Marty will be a short timer and that the next hire will be the one that pushes the team over the hump.

    Let's face the facts. This is a horrible year to need a coach. There are three coaches with rings available, one of which probably isn't interested in coaching at this point, but all three have their flaws. Then, there is Jeff Fisher who has only 6 seasons with a record above 0.500, and this may be the weakest crop of assistants that we have seen recently.
     
  10. MonstBlitz

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    I think people tend to make the same mistake with Marty Schottenheimer that they make with coaches who have won a superbowl. No coach has ever won a superbowl with 2 teams so hiring a coach who has already won a superbowl means no superbowl for the Dolphins. Marty Schottenheimer has never had much post season success so hiring him means no post season success. Did Marty become a much worse coach in the playoffs? Maybe he coached a little tighter, more conservative, but I think it's more to do with bad breaks, and it being hard to win playoff football games no matter how good a coach or team is.

    I'm not saying I think Marty should be the guy. I just don't know. But I don't think he should be poo pooed. He was 14-2 in his last regular season as head coach.
     
  11. KB21

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    Got to get to the playoffs before you can win in the playoffs. To use a golf analogy, it is hard to get the ball in the hole unless you are on the green. Marty can get you on the green. I'm not sure any of the assistant coaches or even some of the experienced guys can do that.
     
  12. jw3102

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    All I can say about Schottenheimer is that he was decent coach ten years ago. Of course the fact that no NFL team has hired him in recent years and he is now coaching at the minor league level ,tells me all I want to know about his coaching ability at age 68. No thank you Marty, enjoy your retirement years and leave the NFL jobs to the younger coaches of today.

    The problem with Parcells was that he tried to build a team based on what worked twenty years ago. Schottemheimer came from that same era and his teams were built along these same guidelines. The Parcells era in Miami was a complete failure and we certainly don't need to repeat this failure with Schottenheimer as the HC of the Dolphins.
     
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    Dolphind should have hire Shottenheimer when Shula left but not now.
     
  14. KB21

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    Schottenheimer was 14-2 in 2006, his last year as a head coach in the NFL. The comparison with Parcells isn't even close. Parcells was nothing without Belichick. Schottenheimer legitimately knows how to take bad teams and make them good.
     
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    well crap if we are going to bring in another dufus as coach then we should just bring Back Wanny and save us all the reterick.


    seriously I would hope to hell that they would hire Les Miles from Lsu before bringing in a dufus like Brian Shottinehimer. Les is not Nick Saban
     
  16. Omaha

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    Again totally disagree with Marty.
    So you bring Marty in to make them good and stabilize them and the next coach will push them over the hump.
    OK lets look at your 3 Marty teams.
    Cleveland did next coach push them over the hump. NO
    Kansas City, next coach push them over? NO
    San Diego, next coach push them over? NO

    So why would we expect that pattern to change?

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein, (attributed)
     
  17. DOLPHAN1

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    I lived there too and have many friends that are Chiefs fans. I remember all the talks/arguments about the underachieving of the Peterson/ Schottenhiemer teams. So we become the southern Chiefs? I hope not....:no:
     

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