There's very little chance of it happening, and the situations in which it does happen are very questionable. There are teams that are going to be able to throw better opportunities to start at Flynn, and if we're throwing enough money at him to re-think that it's not a good faith competition.
Good points on the drives. I liked Flynn as the guy to trade for last off season. Am I overrating him? We don't know that. I am for a QB that has been developed just like Rogers was. A QB that got to watch and learn from one of the best of all-time. Developed by the same team. I know in watching him play last year against NE and today against Detroit this was not a team carrying a QB it was a confident QB who takes charge on the field. There were reports that Flynn looked better than Rogers in camp this year. Flynn had a game today against a playoff team that was trying to win (Atlanta can catch them for the #5 seed) so they didn't lay down. How am I underrating Moore? Where is the win against a quality opponent in which he took put the team on his back so to speak and won it with his arm? There isn't one. He is 6-6 in games started. All wins against average to below average teams on losing streaks (the Jets ended the season on a 3 game skid). Henne was 7-6 as the starter two years ago under similar conditions with probably less talent around him and never starting in the NFL before. Perhaps it is a desperate fan base that haven't had much to cheer at QB since Marino retired that is overrating Moore...
To be fair, Kevin Kolb was never that impressive. With that said, I think signing Flynn should be a last resort.
Thankfully Kevin Kolb's failure in Arizona will have some calming effect on the Matt Flynn bidding. I think you put enough escalators in his contract that if met as a starter, you can pay him top $. If he's looking for a Kolb/Fitzpatrick type of contract, with all that money guaranteed, then he can go somewhere else. I'm certainly not proposing to bring him in at crazy $ amounts.
Rogers, Brees, Brady, P. Manning, E. Manning, Romo, Schaub, Stafford, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Smith, Rivers, Cutler, Newton, Vick, Dalton, Flacco, Palmer, Freeman, Bradford, Cassel. There is 21 QBs. Which 6 is he better than (and that is just to get to 15)? Which QB wouldn't you trade Moore straight up for? Moore may not be better than guys like Tebow, Fitzpatrick, Ponder...then throw in guys like Luck and RGIII to the mix next year.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Now, if you're done beating that straw man, please tell me what sort of preparation the Lions and their still-Godawful secondary could have possibly made to face Matt Flynn. What film did they have to watch? What game plan were they supposed to implement? On the flip side, would you actually expect Flynn to have that sort of game week in and week out as a starting QB? And remember, the Packers spent the week making the Lions guess as to which QB they'd be facing; McCarthy didn't say one way or the other if Rodgers would play or how long he'd play if at all. "He looked great coming off the bench, he'd be a fantastic starter!" is exactly the phrase that has cost many a GM their job. And yet, here we are, repeating that mistake with Matt Flynn. Look, I loved Matt Flynn as a draft prospect and I wanted to select him in 2008 to solidify QB depth. But I'm not in on him as a starting QB, let alone as a superior option to Matt Moore. There is no calculated risk here: there's nothing available to calculate with.
How is that fans think Kolb = Flynn? Don't get that argument at all. Does that mean Luck = Couch, Carr, Russel so don't draft him?
Right now, he's doing better than Bradford, Tebow, Freeman, Cassel, and most definitely Fitzpatrick. Dalton basically had all season, and still only put up 5 more TD's than Moore, so that's that debatable. Can't factor in Luck and RG3 'cause, as much as I am sure that these two will be great pros, that is not guaranteed. Just playing Devil's Advocate.
Well, you should read my last post since you probably posted this prior to reading it... As to preparation. What did the Packers do today that was any different from an offensive standpoint? Lions had 15 weeks of game tape. And they faced them back on Thanksgiving. Same offense. This wasn't Tim Tebow coming in for Kyle Orton.
In all honesty, I was basically dumbfounded when I tried to figure out how Kolb became such a hot commodity, and even more dumbfounded when he was traded for Rodgers-Cromartie and a second round pick. Was NO one alarmed by the fact that Kolb was mediocre at best in a offense that made AJ Feeley look good?
Detroit was (not after today) ranked 7th best in opposing team's QB rating. Before today QBs had: 345 comp, 560 att, 61.6%, 3,362 yards, 6.6 ypa, 20 TD, 20 int, 77.4 QB rating Flynn today: 31 comp, 44 att, 70.4%, 480 yards, 10.9 ypa, 6 TD, 1 int, 136.4 QB rating Rogers against Detroit on Thanksgiving and he had G. Jennings to throw to: 22 comp, 33 att, 66.7%, 307 yards, 9.3 ypa, 2 TD, 0 int, 116.6 QB rating
Going to maybe plant a seed in some mind's, some not so much. But you could say Matt Moore's stock has not been higher. So let's say they sign a Flynn(Not saying I want to) or trade up for a qb (yes please) or draft Weeden then trading Moore to some unlucky team after or before the draft dust settle's could net a nice gain.
Franchising him would probably cost around $20 million. Don't think they would get anything for him, but if they did franchise him I am sure plenty of teams would donate a jar of Vasoline.
sign Boles to a 1 yr contract with automatic 2 yr extension should we finish 10-6 or better next yr. Ireland stays!!
Could you imagine how boring forums would be in the off season if Miami had the #1 pick and was certain to draft Luck?
Matt Flynn? I remember once we were banking on a QB who had looked good in a few relief appearances in Philly...
The Lions didn't have 15 weeks of film on Matt Flynn, who is a different quarterback than Aaron Rodgers. This is sort of like saying that because teams had film of Brett Favre running the 2007 Packers offense, they were sufficiently prepared for the 2008 Packers offense run by Aaron Rodgers. It's nonsensical.
Even Ross knows the dangers of having a talent-vacuum of such magnitude anywhere near the organization.
The reality of the situation in the NFL is that the vast majority of the teams in the NFL are in fact starting QB's who would only be backups on the better teams in the NFL. There is a severe shortage of quality QB's in the NFL today. Moore is merely one of those quality backup QB's, who happens to play on a team which has no other option but to start him at this time. Hopefully the Dolphins can upgrade the QB position in the off season.
They can also tag him with a pick, for example a #2, there is no downside for them in so doing as the contract they receive is sort of set by the NFL.
Flynn is an unrestricted free agent. The Packers would have to make him their franchise player, with a salary of nearly $20,000,000 next season to ensure that they keep his rights. I just don't see the Packers taking the chance of having to pay him twenty millions dollars to be a backup next season and hope that another team is willing to give them a high draft pick for him. We shall see.
Priority #1 belongs to Ross. He has had an entire season to evaluate the Dolphins organazation. Hopefully he has identified where the defiencies are and has done his due diligence in learning how to identify the qualities needed to run those postions effectivily. Now he has to make the moves to replace those people with the right ones. I have said it before and I will say it again our problems reach higher up then our GM. Huizinga was the problem. It was him that turned this team upside down by the way he fired Shula and the amount of control he relinguished over to people like JJ, Wanny, Saban, Parcels, etc...... Hopefuly Ross does not make the same mistake with Peterson. Ross needs to send a very clear message that you either perform or you get replaced.
Using that logic I can say that every team outside of New Orleans, New England, and Green Bay are fielding backup QBs since all of their QBs would be on the bench behind Brees, Rodgers, or Brady. It doesn't work that way.
i can't read this pro moore nonsense anymore. you people are just as moronic that think tim tebow is a legit starter in the nfl because he won games. moore makes bad throws to wide open WRs and has the same stall outs in the red zone that you all complained about with henne. atleast with henne the dude had an arm and would convert some third and longs to bail us out. our defense won us a bunch of games this year because they decided to play. Our defense dominated dallas on thanksgiving but moore single handly gave it right back to them time and time again. went 3 and out the whole first half and couldnt catch a snap. The dude is a good back up. look what happened to the bears this year. a good back up is something you need. Just get off the moore should be the starter thing because it makes dolphin fans sound pretty stupid. we started 0-7 this year. henne only play what? 2 and a half games? moore sucks, he's not a starter. dont dig up some stupid meaningless stat. watch the games instead. as for the orginal topic id like to see a coach named ASAP. Let him pick his own GM and staff. Then give him the freedom to get a quarterback. My dream senario would be the colts dealing/cutting manning to draft luck and then we pick up gruden. other than that I'm not sure. Ilike what I see from flynn. he's light years a head of moore and henne. henne has the potential to put up numbers like flynn has but moore does not. not with any amount of talent around him. I think a move for flynn is a rebuilding move. we do that then I'd expect to go o line with our pick and fill RT or one of the guard spots.
First priority is to send Santonio Holmes a thank you card for yesterday's late game theatrics. What a way to piss on the Jets to end your career with them. Gotta give him many props.
Numbers like Flynn? You mean the numbers he put up against a team that has trouble stopping the pass?
I didn't say just the best teams in the NFL, I said the better teams in the NFL. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Eli Manning, and Stafford were the only franchise type QB's in the NFL this season. The next level consisted of Rothliesberger, Vick, Romo, Ryan,Newton, Rivers, Palmer, Flacco, Dalton, and Hasselbeck. Peyton Manning, Matt Schaub, and Jay Cutler are also quality starters in the NFL, when they are playing and not on the injured reserve list. Two additional QB's who I feel are decent QB's, but still haven't shown they are reliable starters in the NFL yet are Bradford, and Freeman. I realize that I should not have stated that the vast majority of the teams in the NFL are in need of a quality starting QB. After reviewing the starting QB on all the teams in the NFL, I have decided that only twelve teams are in this situation. Unfortunately, the Dolphins are one of these teams. Fortunately, two of those teams are in the same division as the Dolphins, the Jets and and Bills.
