Are we really going to make a case for Fisher by making excuses. The Guy was in the league for 17 years and only made the playoffs 5 times. Please please no more medicrity
Fisher presided over an organization moving out of Houston, then being without a home in Tennessee for two years, and finally in organization that was eating itself with infighting. I think he did dang well under the circumstances.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????????????? The coach doesn't matter??????? I hope whatever job you have doesn't require a drug urinalysis. I think you'd fail.
FYI if your going to harp on the record and ignore everything else that was going on with the Titans during his time there.........your basically admitting you don't know jack about Fisher. Good coach who didn't have jack for control of his team and an owner dictating who played. And quite frankly too good of a coach for Miami to land. He won't end up here.
Contrary to your assertion of the quarterbacks, McCarthy and Tomlin succeded due to their defenses. Last year's Super Bowl feature Pittsburgh's #1 ranked defense versus Green Bay's #2 ranked defense. Their offenses ranked #10 and #12 respectively.
oh goodie a head coach who didn't have control I immediately call for the reinstatement of Tony Sparano He to inherited a bad team a team who changed owners a team that was 1-15 and the laughing stock of the NFL a owner and gm who basically handed him players, told him to make do and then fired him because it didn't work Tony was a puppet under the thumb of Bill Parcells Tony had to change both offensive and defensive coordinators Tony had to deal with our owner running like a child to San Fran to try and wine and dine a coach who had no interest in coming here Tony had to coach a team during a lock out year Now that I have made every excuse I could we can dismiss his dismal record and overlook what the results were Now that I know how it works....I'm good
You left out the part where your shirt sticks to your arm pits. San Diego is much better with the low humidity Best part of Florida is the lack of California govt. my opinions of which I'll save for POFO I like fisher. Better than anyone we've had here for a while. OVer those 16 teams he never really lost the players they always played hard. Even Chris Johnson.
Wannstedt was a good coach. He was 42-23 in his 1st four seasons in Miami. Not very good, not great, but good. He took Jimmy Johnson's teams further without Dan Marino at QB. He doomed himself in Chicago and Miami and at University of Pitt because he is bad at personnel.
Those elite quarterbacks didn't stop the elite quarterbacks they faced on opposing teams, defenses did. Of recent playoff games... Did Phillip Rivers stop Peyton Manning, or did San Diego's defense stop Manning? Did Ben Roethlisburger stop Phillip Rivers or did Pittsburgh's defense stop Rivers? Did Mark Sanchez stop Peyton Manning, or did New York's defense stop Manning? Did Matt Hasselbeck stop Drew Brees or did Seattle's defense stop Brees? Did Mark Sanchez stop Tom Brady or did New York's defense stop Tom Brady? I'm not taking away for the need of a GOOD quarterback, but GOOD or even "elite" quarterbacks aren't the whole answer as the Colts learned this season. Phillip Rivers, Mark Sanchez, Matt Hasselbeck...average quarterbacks at best were at the helm of teams that defeated teams with "elite" quarterbacks. Rivers vs Manning...Manning lost Sanchez vs Manning...Manning lost Hasselbeck vs Brees...Brees lost Sanchez vs Brady...Brady lost I could go on and on but this post would become long and drawn out. Pittsburgh's Super Bowl appearance last season, throughout the playoffs, they won their games by 7 over Baltimore, 5 over the Jets before falling to Green Bay by 6 in the Super Bowl Green Bay's Super Bowl appearance last season, throughout the playoffs, they won their games by 5 over Philadelphia, 27 over Atlanta, 7 over Chicago and winning the Super Bowl by 6 over Pittsburgh. Other than the blowout of Atlanta (the #1 seed in the NFC with a 13-3 record and boasting 9 Pro Bowlers), Green Bay with its "elite" quarterback closely won their games on their way to a Super Bowl Championship. Like I said, I'm not taking away from the importance of quarterbacks, but the reason I LOVE football more than any other sport, it's the only TRUE team sport. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Drees have ALL been shut down by teams with average quarterbacks.
No he wasn't a good head coach. He was a bad one. He was a good defensive coach. That was it. But he had some great talent to work with during his tenure. Those defenses were stacked.
Most of those matchups you have up there are ELITE QB vs. ELITE QB. Football absolutely is the ultimate team sport. Having an ELITE QB doesn't win you a super bowl all by itself. But you need to look no further than the Colts. I don't know how you think they support your argument. They make the exact opposite of your argument. With an ELITE QB the Colts are in the playoffs 9 years in a row, 1st in their division 7 of those years and without Manning they are the worst team in the league. Not to dismiss this argument, but my original point was about the head coaches of those teams. Head coaches that look a lot better because they have ELITE QBs. Caldwell certainly did.
A bad coach doesn't accomplish a single winning record even if is coaching the pro bowl team. An average coach does. A good coach does. I'm not defending Wanny here, I'm defending the definition of good vs. bad. He was good.
Someone brought up Chip Kelly. I'm intrigued, but he's probably not moving from Oregon. Then again Oregon vs. Miami is white dreadlocks vs. white thongs.
No, the Colts actually MAKE my argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't New England go 11-5 even with Tom Brady going down for the season? Caldwell is the reincarnation of Barry Switzer. Caldwell inherited what Tony Dungy built, much like Switzer did in inheriting what Jimmy Johnson built. Don't change anything, don't do anything different and they both were successful. He has success, but loses the Super Bowl, then loses the wild card game and now loses his season. Same thing with Switzer. He had Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt Smith and he wasn't able to win after his defunct Super Bowl win.
No. he was terrible. A chronic underachiever. One season, he had a #1 running game and the #2 defense, and managed to miss the playoffs. Conservative to a fault, and his personnel decisions were awful. He merely milked Jimmy's roster for ALL he could get.
All due respect DK, you are continuing to make my point. ELITE QBs make average coaches look better than they are. I totally agree with you on Switzer. He inherited a finely tuned automobile, and he was smart enough to realize all he had to do was fill it up with gas and check the oil. I'd argue Jon Gruden did the same inheriting the Bucs from Tony Dungy, except he gave them a spark with his rah-rah act that grew tired over time. Caldwell fits that bill. Absolutely agree. But I'm completely lost as to what your point is if you think the Colts help it, or how referencing a more talented, better COACHED, team like the Patriots with Matt Cassel helps either. Matt Cassel is Scott Mitchell. Caldwell is an average caretaker coach who made the playoffs 3 straight years, coached in a Super Bowl, then without an ELITE QB his team fell apart. That tells you how good an ELITE QB can make a coach look.
Come on Sec. You want to hate him, but he wasn't terrible. He milked Jimmy's roster? How many players on offense did Jimmy leave him? The answer is none. Because Jimmy Johnson was clueless about drafting offensive talent. Come on Sec. you make the word terrible meaningless when you use it to describe Wanny. Cam Cam was terrible. 1-15 is terrible. Wanny the coach improved the team that JJ drafted. And Wanny ruined the team he inherited with the team Wanny drafted. Eddie Moore and Jamar Fletcher were terrible 1st round picks. 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, and 10-6 were..... good.
If it's Fisher or any of the relatively successful coaches (Cowher, Billick, Gruden), I just hope people remember that it's not always a lock that those guys come in with the same fire in the belly they once had. Look at Jimmy Johnson. We remember him right? I won't be upset by that choice if it is the way they go, but I won't be expecting magic.
The only way Wanny was terrible was in personnel. As a coach he was actually frustratingly nearly good. If he had given himself better players and found a more capable offensive coordinator than Norv Turner when he needed one, he might have stuck around for a lot longer.
If you have an elite QB you don't need a coach if you don't have an elite QB say the 49ers this year yes you need a good coach. The sure fix is an elite QB If not we bring in a good coach lets say he has to change the team to his system etc and its 2-3 years on avg before we're good. Will a good coach turn us into the 49ers this year I don't think so that team has a lot of 1st rounders at skill spots that we don't have.
Eddie Moore was a second round pick. I do agree that Wanny was a pretty good head coach. Unfortunately he did coach one of the worst breakdowns I have ever seen in team history. Still, a good X and O type of guy. Terrible GM. One of the worst in the history of the NFL. Traded a first round pick for Mirer? What was Wayne smoking when he gave this guy the reigns?
Ok who do you want as a coach? Oh that's right you want to keep Bowles as a LAME DUCK coach on a 1 year deal with options for further years. That right there is enough to dismiss anything coming from you. How the hell is the guy going to get "his" coaching staff together. How is he to get the respect of his players as a LAME DUCK coach. The media would have a field day with it and we'd be yet again a laughing stock. Come back when you got a better argument then looking at the # of winning seasons or having silly ideas like actually intentionally creating a LAME DUCK coach. You'd be the exact type person to complain if you were a NE fan when they hired B.B...cause you know he had a woeful record as a HC before coming to NE. Fact is Jeff Fisher is the #1 available coach out there and is at the top of most teams wish lists. Miami is going to have to fight hard to get him. Jeff Fisher has a 147-126 career record, including the playoffs. The guy has been through THREE re-builds of that franchise and some pretty inept drafting by GM's at times. Fisher builds smart, hard-hitting, fundamentally sound teams who tend to over-achieve. Defensively Jeff Fisher is good at what he does and has had DC's under him like Gregg Williams and Jim Schwartz. Fisher came up from the Buddy Ryan school of defense which involves playing aggressively with a lot of blitzing (front 7 plays a lot like Philly is this year). The downside of Fisher is that he will stick with Vets over rookies a bit too long (loyalty to vets) and you will have to pair him up with a GM who will get him a good QB (but then you can say that for just about every coach out there). So the key will be watching to see who the team hires as O.C., but at least we know the pressure is there from Ross.
Yeah, I've had them ranked Billick #1 and Fisher #1a, but for some reason, at least as far as I'm aware, Billick has not been interviewed for any head coaching job since he was fired in Baltimore. I find it hard to believe he's been holding out till the Miami job came open, Must be something behind the scene regarding Billick that we fans are not aware of. Fisher is someone I sure couldn't complain about. IMO, he'd restore respectability to the franchise and assemble a strong staff to assist him.
Are you sure Collier stepped down from his OC spot that soon? I was remembering it as within a week one way or the other of Ricky walking out on the team, which left Wanny with few options to be the OC. For some reason he decided on Foerster instead of the experienced Marc Trestman who was the newly hired QB coach. When Wanny quit and Bates took over, Trestman also took over play calling at the same time, which resulted in improved offensive performance during Bates' short tenure as the head coach. That's how I remember it anyway.
After Wanny (Pornstache) and Tony (scragglestache), I would kind of prefer no more coaches with any similar growth on the upper lip area, now that I think about...
