First off, holy crap has this Sub-Forum been dead. Where have all our draft experts and people that always talk draft been? Are they helping Santa prepare for his big day lol... Well anyways, I guess I am super bummed about Matt Barkley returning to USC. I loved the kid and wanted him in a Dolphins uniform bad. So feeling a little down in the dumps I wanted to make a list of quarterbacks so we could all talk about them, who we might be interested in, when they might get drafts, etc, etc. Basically, I am trying to make myself feel better about this QB draft class and our chances of (FINALLY) getting a franchise QB. 1.) Andrew Luck - Now that Barkley is back in school Luck is without question the number one QB in the draft. While he does have another year of eligibility remaining he said last year that he would come out in this years draft; he has reaffirmed this a few times this year too. He will be the top pick in the draft and is the most coveted QB to come out in a long time. If the Colts get the number 1 overall pick it is a foregone conclusion that they will take Luck. If the Vikings end up with the pick, expect a bidding war to start. I could see the Dolphins giving the farm to get Luck... Hell, I bet we will even offer the Colts one crazy deal even if they say they won't trade the pick. 2.) Robert Griffin III- Most people view Griffin III as the second best QB in this years draft. Can beat you with your feet and arm. He also is a Junior standing and could decide to go back to Baylor for one more year. Honestly, I don't know whether he will come out in this years draft or stay another year. I think it is wrong of people to automatically assume he is going to come out in the draft because I think there is still a pretty solid chance he stays in school. Now would be a good time for him to enter the draft after winning the Heisman, having a great year, plus he is going to lose one of the top WRs in all of college football (Kendall Wright). I think it was ck that pointed out that Griffin always or keeps saying that the NFL is his second option. If it truly is his second option, he might opt to stay in school. (Heard his parents are interviewing agents though, in order to protect him in case he decides he wants to go back to Baylor) Now getting down to pure football, I am not 100% sold on Griffin. The first thing, is his stature. I don't think he is as big as people think he is; his height is above 6'1 or right at it so that's not the big deal it is the weight I am concerned with. I don't know if he will be able to take the pounding of the NFL. The next issue with me is I really don't know if he will be able to transition to a Pro style system. If you look at a lot of his highlight film he makes great decisions, most of his throws are to receivers that are one on one with the CB without S help. This is because of his ability to run. In college, the teams would often keep a safety up to help make sure he doesn't run lose. This would cause mismatches in the secondary and he would simple have to throw to a WR that is one on one, an NFL QB's dream. In the NFL, I don't think this is the case. A NFL LB would be able to chase him down, so the S would move back and now he is throwing the ball into a much, much tighter position; will make his transition even harder. Another thing in my opinion is his accuracy. His numbers are off the charts, but if you drill down I think there is more to it. First off his decision making, he is very smart and picks the right match up and WR to throw to (this increase his accuracy a lot)... but if you look at the actual ball placement and how he leads receivers it could be improved a lot. I think my biggest concern with him was that piece that ck wrote about him being "too good for the NFL." The next question is would the Dolphins be interested in him. I think this depends on who the next Head Coach is and what type of offense they want to run. Another question would be if we would have to trade up to get him. I think if he was our guy we would have to trade up to get him. I guess time will tell. 3.) Ryan Tannehill - I think some people could have him rated higher than Griffin. I still don't know where I stand with Tannehill though. He does have to most upside and potential, but I think with him you are going to have to be patient and take things slowly. I think he winds up being a first round pick when all is said and done. He is athletic and has a big build and a nice arm, but he is still kind of raw at QB with a lot to learn. I am sure most people know he played QB in HS, was moved to WR at A&M and then moved back to QB in his Junior year. He could be this drafts wildcard and I think he has to most to gain or lose between now and the draft. If he has great work outs he could really climb into the early first. I could see a team like Washington really liking him, but they could really like Griffin III too; both QBs are athletic and fit the Shanahan mold. 4.) Brandon Weeden - From a pure talent stand point he is the number 2 QB in this years draft in my eyes. I just cannot get over the age factor. I think you can take him in round 2, but not in round 1, especially not early in round 1. It normally takes QBs at least 2 years to get comfortable in the NFL, at that point he would be 30. SO you would have 5 to 6 years of good QB play and then have to start all over and look for another QB again?!? That's worth it if you take him in the 2nd but not the early 1st in my opinion. 5.) Nick Foles - Has the prototype build of a QB, but in my opinion didn't step up his game to the next level this year. Could be a decent pick in round two. Please feel free to discuss. [Side note: I am a little over 23 and started watching the Miami Dolphins religiously when I was around 4 or 5 because my dad was/is a hardcore fin fan. Seeing Dan Marino sling the ball for those early years was absolutely incredible. I loved watching the guy play and it was great never feeling like you were out of a game. I think watching him play for all those years has made watching all these other QB's after him hurt even more though.]
Well, the Guru's have sort of moved unto their own gigs UCF, so not a lot of action down here atm. What interests me this draft is not the top guys, it is the 2nd tier Qb's, guys like Wilson and Davis and Cousins, this could be the yr that someone really does find a late rd gem.
They are putting most of their time into their draft website? What was it again? I just miss Boomer, ck, and everyone else. I got most of my draft knowledge from them haha. I absolutely cannot stand Kirk Cousins, but I definitely agree with that statement. It is a very deep QB class and their are bound to be a few gems in there.
Universal Draft, is their site, not sure if they have done a lot on their either! Boom is doing Soccer Coverage and got a promotion, Alen is on his own project and Conu...is pimping women and working security for Floyd Mayweather... Ck is well, doing Ck stuff... As for the 2nd tier guys, if you look at them what stands out is they played at big time schools in good offenses, had success, but are not thought of highly because the spotlight just is not on them, for example Russel Wilson competed against UNC's team full of future NFLers and at WI. I'm sort of giving MMoore the benefit of the doubt, and am not really into the draft as much, I like the longshot guys and the ones who are waived but have talent, or CFL/AFL guys.
. Get into some details later but... Go for the top 2, their so worth it..if not..Tannehill and R Wilson look real nice.. Good pick Pod..I thought I was gonna be the only one pimpin R Wilson..Boy has a serious skillset at 5''11.. RG3, I hope becomes a Miami Dolphin..He would electrfly {meant the fly part} this town...Dynamic player capable of great moments and plays...Overall package and upside worth any risk imo.. I believe Russell Wilson can play on the next level..He's a joy to watch on film..would love that dude on our team..
after watching the first quarter of the rose Bowl I feel good about this player's skillset and the projection. If this kid came in at an even 6' foot, He would be, and should be, a first round pick. No matter how tall he is,pending how this draft works out, he is on my draft board...especially if value is involved.
This is my first time really paying attention to Weeden and holy crap he just blows me away. It's a damn shame that he's so old.
I would hate to see Miami spend 1st round pick on any QB other than Luck or RGIII. Of course, they will be long gone by the time Miami drafts. Would prefer to sign Flynn in FA and keep Moore as backup. Wouldn't mind Miami spending 3rd round pick on Kellen Moore, needs to bulk up a bit, but kid is a winner. First time I think I have not seen Landry Jones on someone's top 5 list. I went to the Insight Bowl the other night and Landry didn't look like anything special.
If RG3 doesn't fall and we can't get (healthy) Manning, we may be best with Weeden... I wish Barkley had declared though. But I could support and get some small hopes up for Weeden...wonder if he'd still be there in round 2.
Give me Russell Wilson.....the man can flat out play. Always has his eyes downfield, his throws are accurate in the pocket and on the run, and he is mobile enough to extend plays. He is obviously a leader, as Wisconsin made him a captain almost instantly by team vote. He is also smart enough to learn their playbook in a month(I know little about their playbook, but learning in a month is insane regardless of ease or difficulty). I know his height leaves a little to be desired, but if that is the knock, then perhaps people are being too critical?
The more I think about it I either see him being an early 2nd round pick like Dalton or a late 1st round pick like Tebow. I think his age will scare the teams off that pick in the top half of the draft, and then the teams in the second half of the draft (by virtue) mostly won't need a QB, well besides the Jets, so it would make sense for them to take him especially since their own starting QB might be younger or the same age as Weeden. Therefore he might be there like Dalton was in the 2nd or I could see a team in need of a QB panicking towards the end of day 1 of the NFL draft and trade up to get him. Time will tell... If he wasn't 28 years old he would EASILY be a top 10 pick though.
Thought i quoted the guy above me with my post saying to wait for the 2nd. But Yeah thats basically what i meant. Not comparing QBs but draft positions. Locker/Ponder went Top what 12 last year? Just dont think Weeden lasts till 2nd round. im figuring Luck/RGIII and maybe a surprise QB goes before our pick.
A good QB prospect is a good QB prospect. That level of prospect often goes in the first. IMO he is a far better prospect than Locker/Ponder were. The age thing will probably scare off a few teams, but I doubt that it will scare off all of them.
He will probably be available in the 4th or 5th. I haven't watched him so I don't have an opinion on his ability, but he would seem a good double up option for the QB position, especially if we went the Matt Flynn route.
for me weeden is in play at the #9 draft spot we are in, he has too much talent to drop him off the board for picks at that slot. I watched him last night and like how he moves in the pocket and eludes pressure, and he just flat out slings it around the field. the guy has skills, hey warren moon did not get into the nfl until he was 27 or 28 yrs. old and had a great career. I would take that if i believed he solved the qb position for at least 5-6 yrs, just my opinion.
Warren Moon played professionally for 5 years before the NFL thought he was good enough , he played against grown men , won championships , not against teenagers , Weeden has talent to be sure , but IMO not nearly enough for his advanced age and the fact he played as a very mature adult against teenagers to be considered a top 10 pick. He also has question marks regarding the system that he played in , I highly highly doubt Miami would select him at pick 8 or 9.
I'm not any of those guys, but here are my thoughts on Luck and Griffin: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...breakdown-and-analysis-for-robert-griffin-iii http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-breakdown-analysis-of-stanfords-andrew-luck
Moon was also as physically talented as any Qb, he'd compare to Mike Vick today, but a much better passer.
I meant you too, just forgot to mention your name!!! Your one of the most knowledgeable posters on this site! EDIT: Great reads too!
He needed to, his stock was going nowhere but down. Needs to have a good 12 campaign and really show a consistent high end ability.
not much I don't agree with in that RG3 article, thought it was excellent of this prospect.. I will disagree with you on the words you used to desrcibe his lower body...I don't believe he is very thin in the lower body, I feel he's well muscled in the legs and glutes, , hes got lean ankles and knees but that's a sign of great genetics, especially with how his quads glutes, and calves are so developed symmetrically. Love the points about the release and how it could be difficult to see whether it was slow or not..He gets the ball out quickly bottom line, with great spin, trajectory on the nose, and perfect velocity as it relates to the throw.
I wonder if Tyler Wilson comes out if he gets a first round grade. He is losing like 3 senior wide receivers. I wouldn't mind drafting him.
If you did write for bleacher report Alen, it would be a gigantic upgrade in quality for them. I think most of their writers are half baked, wet behind the ears idiots. EDIT: Oh ok, I see you are writing for them. That's great! Gives their site some credibility. I'd like to see you write some Dolphins articles too. Most of their writers covering the Dolphins ain't worth a tinker's damn.
I'm pretty sure almost anyone can write for them, so despite Alen being very good, I don't think it gives much credibility to the site overall.
Haha, thanks. I'm slated to cover draft prospects and overall NFL X's and O's. I believe anyone can, but have to go through an application. I had to as well and they asked me to write for them, so I dunno. They also pay me though.
Did you see this dude's mock draft? Granted a decent 7 round mock draft isn't easy this time of year, but he has us taking Foles in the 2nd and Weeden not going till pick 100. I cannot imagine him dropping that far merely due to age. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-full-7-round-projections-with-updated-order
I could see us taking Foles in round 2. He is one of the guys that could fly up boards with good work outs , etc. I don't think Weeden falls that far though. Also I am beginning to warm up to the idea of going OL again, but I swear if we have OL problems this coming year with Jake Long, Pouncey, and a Top 10 rookie OL I'll be freaking pissed.
