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Colts fire Bill Polian

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by UCF FINatic, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I wonder if this is because of his commitment to take Andre Luck... Could the Colts plan on trading the pick and make one last run with Manning, while developing a QB (drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round)? Interesting though.
     
  2. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    It has more to do with the fact that outside of Manning, Edge, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday and maybe MAYBE Bob Sanders, Polian's draft record(in Indy) has been nothing special, and the fact that the Colts nearly went winless attests to the fact that he never truly built a team around Manning and failed to have a back up plan.
     
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  3. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Yea, I could see that. I still think there is a greater chance they trade the pick now than when Polian was their GM though. If they could pick up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a 1st next year that could really help them improve their roster. Plus they could get a QB in the 2nd round and develop him for a year while Manning can play with his new talent.
     
  4. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

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    This x 100000

    I've been saying since week 5 how losing Manning exposed the Colts organization as a paper tiger unworthy of being mentioned with the Steelers, Packers etc as organizations who really get it. Polian & Son have failed to stock the cupboard for about 5 years now and it finally came to light once they didn't have the arguably GOAT QB to hide their weaknesses.

    As far as Luck goes, I think the housecleaning upstairs is only foreshadowing a housecleaning of the coaching staff and players as well, who were all exposed. I think there is a better than 50% chance Peyton plays for another team next year if he is able to play at all.
     
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  5. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    The Colts would be best off taking Luck, letting Peyton walk and moving on with their franchise. Peyton's salary can bring in a lot of guys.
     
  6. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I forgot to mention Dwight Freeney.
    Still the point remains.
     
  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Everyone can say what they will about Bill Polian, but this is the same man who was the architect for...

    -The Montreal Alouettes and Winnipeg Blue Bombers, both CFL Grey Cup Champions
    -The Buffalo Bills, luring Jim Kelly from the USFL and hiring Marv Levy, resulting in four consecutive Super Bowl appearances, a first ever in the NFL
    -The Carolina Panthers, creating the fastest Super Bowl winning team in NFL history and apppeared in the NFC Championship in only its second year in the league
    -The Indianapolis Colts and having the foresight to draft Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf, turning a 3-13 team into a perinneal playoff team and Super Bowl Champion

    The firing of Bill Polian, putting it in a military analogy would be the same as firing a Battalion Commander because a Platoon Sergeant failed to prepare his men. If anyone in Indianapolis should have been fired, it should have been Jim Caldwell. He's been the coach of the Colts for 3 seasons, including a Super Bowl Championship and had AMPLE time to ensure Curtis Painter was prepared should the unspeakable happen in Peyton Manning going out for the season...an implied task of an NFL Head Coach in which he failed MISERABLY.

    I certainly hope Stephen Ross has the intelligence and saavy to hire Bill Polian and allow him to create yet ANOTHER champion in Miami.
     
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  8. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Polian has not put together a complete team since the 90s.

    7 notable players in over 10 years do not make up a team, its the reason why he was fired.
    He failed to build around Manning.
     
  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Besides the Manning injury, I think the Colts failures this season had much more to do with dimwitted Jim Caldwell than Bill Polian. This is shocking news to me. I'd much rather have Polian than Ireland.
     
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  10. mracer

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    I bet their new GM will draft Luck and tell Peyton to take a paycut to play for the Colts. If he refuses they will cut and part ways. I'm sure Irsay will make a generous offer to Peyton. Heck Peyton just got paid millions from Irsay without playing 1 freaking snap in 2011. I don't think money will be an issue here. Peyton seems like a reasonable person. I doubt he wants to be viewed as "stealing" Irsay's $$. For the record....The Colts will draft Luck and have Peyton playing for them next season.
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Andrew Luck isn't going to wait to play in the NFL. I don't think the 2 can coexist.
     
  12. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    For some reason i get the feeling Ireland will have a demotion in responsibilies and Pertson will be hired, not Polian. And Polian didnt lured Jim Kelly, the Bills held his draft rights and the USFL was on its last legs by merging teams and down sizing the league, writing was on the wall for alot of the players in that league.Kelly just made the smart choice.
     
  13. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Right...CHOICE. Kelly could have pulled a John Elway and refused to play in Buffalo, but CHOSE to go there hence...Polian lured Kelly to Buffalo.
     
  14. unifiedtheory

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    And the Bills could have let him rot for years, pissing away his best years. This is revisionist history to support your particular point of view.

    Polian is overrated. He built a 2-14 football team. Ireland's drafts have been MUCH better than anything Polian has done for the last three years. Ireland did not have the good fortune of Peyton Manning being on his roster. A franchise quarterback can hide a lot of ills, just ask Don Shula.
     
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  15. jdang307

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    If Luck is the best prospect since Peyton Manning than we shouldn't be giving Polian too much credit there. The media created the hype Manning vs. Leaf but was it that close for the people who matter?

    One of the greatest QB's ever and not many Super Bowls and just one win. Similar to what happened to Dan Marino here.
     
  16. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Polian is overrated???? REALLY????????

    Name me a general manager that built 5 championship teams in two different leagues. Montreal, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Carolina, Indianapolis. The only team he built that didn't win a championship was Buffalo, but 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances in itself speaks volumes for what Polian did in Buffalo.

    And Polian didn't build a 2-14 team...Caldwell coached a previous playoff team and the year before that, a previous Super Bowl appearing team to 2-14.

    This isn't revisionist history...it's FACT.
     
  17. Stitches

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    Or it speaks to the quality coaching of Marv Levy (since you want to pin it all on Caldwell, we can spin it this way if you want).
     
  18. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Carolina won a Super Bowl? News to me...
     
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  19. Jimmy James

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    If I were Indy, I"d be shopping that Luck pick, perhaps in a strategy to save a bit of cap and end up with RG3. Somehow, I don't see Manning (who will be there) and Luck being a promising pairing. Too much ego there essentially. At the same time, they really need a successor because I see 2013 being Manning's last year (I see him sucking next year and trying it one more time).

    I agree Polian deserved to go. I am a bit surprised Norv Turner still has a job at the close of the night, though.
     
  20. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    My mistake :up: but they were there, weren't they? :yes:
     
  21. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Oh Good God!!!! :pity:
     
  22. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    What have you done for me lately league everyone should understand this by now and the colts drafts have been bust for the last few years. I wouldn't credit him with drafting Peyton Manning he was labeled the sure thing coming out of college and Jim Caldwell is most definitely going to get fired there is no doubt about that.
     
  23. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Several years after Polian left.
     
  24. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Here are the Colts last 5 drafts. They speak for themselves.

    2011 - Indianapolis Colts
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 22 Anthony Castonzo T Boston College
    2 49 Ben Ijalana T Villanova
    3 87 Drake Nevis DT LSU
    4 119 Delone Carter RB Syracuse
    6 188 Chris Rucker DB Michigan State


    2010 - Indianapolis Colts
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 31 Jerry Hughes DE Texas Christian
    2 63 Pat Angerer OLB Iowa
    3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC
    4 129 Jacques McClendon G Tennessee
    5 162 Brody Eldridge TE Oklahoma
    7 238 Ricardo Mathews DE Cincinnati
    7 240 Kavell Conner OLB Clemson
    7 246 Ray Fisher DB Indiana


    2009 - Indianapolis Colts
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
    2 56 Fili Moala DT USC
    3 92 Jerraud Powers DB Auburn
    4 127 Austin Collie WR Brigham Young
    4 136 Terrance Taylor DT Michigan
    6 201 Curtis Painter QB Purdue
    7 222 Pat McAfee P West Virginia
    7 236 Jaimie Thomas G Maryland


    2008 - Indianapolis Colts
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    2 59 Mike Pollak G Arizona State
    3 93 Philip Wheeler OLB Georgia Tech
    4 127 Jacob Tamme TE Kentucky
    5 161 Marcus Howard DE Georgia
    6 196 Tom Santi TE Virginia
    6 201 Steve Justice C Wake Forest
    6 202 Mike Hart RB Michigan
    6 205 Pierre Garcon WR Mount Union
    7 236 Jamey Richard C Buffalo


    2007 - Indianapolis Colts
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
    2 42 Tony Ugoh T Arkansas
    3 95 Dante Hughes CB California
    3 98 Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio State
    4 131 Brannon Condren DB Troy State
    4 136 Clint Session LB Pittsburgh
    5 169 Roy Hall WR Ohio State
    5 173 Michael Coe CB Alabama State
    7 242 Keyunta Dawson
     
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  25. Hellion

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    Ridiculous, the choice was to stay with the USFL or jump a sinking ship and go to the only team he could play for. He had no leverage like Elway did. Elway said he would play baseball before playing for the Colts. What was Kellys leverage, trade me or i'll sit at home and watch football losing millions of dollars? The only luring Polian did was say play for us or sit.
     
  26. hazed819

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    I think they are simply putting in a new guy to take the heat from getting rid of Manning and picking up Luck because Polian is loved in Indy.
     
  27. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Bear in mind that Polian really set Carolina back by trying to win it all in one year.
    The egomaniac explicitly said that was his goal.
     
  28. Big E

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    Word around Indy is Irsay has been uneasy about the drafting the last couple of yrs and was not happy that the defensive unit was being ignored year after year in favor of more weapons for Manning. Ultimately his undoing was the man of steel "Manning" who never gets hurt getting hurt. You cant build your team around one man.
     
  29. DOLFANMIKE

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    I think he is one of the top in the league at what he does...period. I'd love to have him.
     
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  30. Bofin

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    I agree.
     
  31. Killerphins

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    I asked a buddy who is a big Colts fan about the Polian thing. Take it how you will.
    Here is his response......

    Ya know... I think it was largely based upon the fact Bill Polian was in the process of stepping back and allowing his son Chris to take over. Chris has pretty much been in the capacity of GM for the last couple years, and supposedly the last draft was pretty much his baby.

    Apparently Chris has ruffled some feathers in the complex and I believe Irsay didn't have confidence in him in the capacity of overseeing all operations of the team going forward. Bill Polian has become somewhat more combative and defensive as time has gone by and has kind of put the Indianapolis press at arm's length ever since the decision was made to pull the starters against the Jets in '09 (and thus kill the perfect season). (Although he did call into 1070 the fan the Friday after the Thursday Houston game and answered every hard question the host presented to him. I had a lot of respect for him not ducking the tough questions.)

    Maybe Irsay had suggested to Bill that he retire, but that he was going to fire Chris and that didn't sit well with Bill. I'm not sure.

    I've got mixed feelings about the whole matter. People of Polian's caliber with talent evaluation are very hard to find. But his combative nature (and just handing the reigns over to his kid) have rubbed me the wrong way as well. I don't have a lot of confidence in Jim Caldwell as a coach when it comes to game management and having his team ready to play, and I think Polian felt that Caldwell is the type to not rock the boat. I think Polian was making the decisions on who started and who didn't on Sundays (ie Curtis Painter over Dan Orlovsky). And why Justin Tryon was ever let go this year is totally beyond me.

    Bill Polian is going to be difficult to replace, and with his track record, he should be a future hall of famer (4 time executive of the year and all). But I think it was time to move on. (I know...be careful what you wish for...)
     
  32. Zach13

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    I'd take him over Ireland in a heartbeat
     
  33. Califin

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    Thing about Polian, aside from the possibility he could be suffering from a 13 year case of Peyton Place burnout, is that considering the joint ejection, any calling card to retain his services will likely read, "Polian & Son".
     

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