Thomas WISHES he could make cuts like Arian Foster. And Ingram averaged 4 yards a carry this year, btw.
When healthy and a solid OL Thomas looks to be a solid one-cut RB. May never make the Pro Bowl, but Miami/Ireland were in a difficult situation...Ricky and Ronnie not coming back, no 2nd round pick, not sure if Bush could be the every down RB he proved to be, 4 RBs already taken Miami/Ireland had to roll the dice.
Thing is, you draft a RB in the 2nd round, you expect him to produce to some extent. Maybe not to understand the blocking schemes, but at least to show some skill running the ball. He hasn't shown much of that. As I said, I think we should give him one more season with a full offseason, but if that doesn't work out...
I'll give him 1 more season. If that's riddled with injuries as well then yeah, bad pick. BTW still rather have Mallett.
I didn't like the pick at all, ESPECIALLY trading up to get him. He looked ok at times, on a limited basis, when his little girl hamstring was ok. I hated trading up to get a mid-round RB. Bad move.
Poorly written? Poor argument? Do you want to explain why? I'm guessing it's because you just don't agree with it.
You had to explain yourself a second time. You compared two different positions with two different value structures and then went all ape**** when someone called you on it, when you were the one who started the comparison. I do not agree because 3rd round QB and 2nd round RB is a horrible comparison. Plus if a QB falls to the third round chances are the best the QB will ever be is a good back up
Not on my nuts? I can't make a post in any thread without some smarmy response from you completely misenterpreting what I typed or twisting my words into a completely different argument. Last time this happened I wasn't the only one to tell you that you had reading comprehension problems. If you don't understand what I've typed, or if as Dupree asserts, my post was "poorly written" I'd rather you just disregard or ignore it rather than chime in with your backhanded remarks or to rephrase my point of view into something completely different. I can't stop you from doing anything, I know, so that's just a friendly request. If that doesn't work, I have the ignore option. But I do enjoy plenty of your posts so I'd hate for it to come to that.
Jimmy Johnson part deux, called it when he was drafted. I expected more since Irish broke the Parcells paradigm of picking up RB's late. He'll have another chance to redeem himself...
Maybe you don't know the backstory here but this is the second time in nearly as many weeks that lucky has misinterpreted what I think was a pretty clearly written statement. I merely stated that QB was a bigger position of need for our team, IMHO. I think it's a known fact that Mallet was higher regarded at HIS position than Thomas was at his. I never directly compared the 2 players simply what their perspective value was to this team. If you don't agree, that's fine. I can respect that. But I don't think my post was poorly written. I've said many times I don't think Ireland respects the value of the QB position. Mallet was taken in the 3rd round by a Patriots team that, IN MY OPINION, realized he was much better than a 3rd round prospect and drafted him there despite not having a need at the position. Maybe Mallet will always be a backup. We may never really get a chance to see what kind of NFL player he can be. Or maybe the Patriots will get a draft pick if they ever get a chance to showcase his abilities. The argument isn't about IF Mallet is or will be a better player than Thomas. It's about their value before and during the draft, and the needs we had at both positions.
I think we'll get a chance to see mallet play, may be a year or three but hey, that team is looking to the future look what happened to the colts without manning. if mallet can just grow up, mature, and absorb some coaching from belicheck and company, and some good film habits from brady, i fear we will see way too much of mallet in our division down the road.
Guess it's a good thing we didn't draft Shane Vereen. Yeesh. I don't think we took advantage of Thomas' hands enough.
And I didn't think we traded for Bush until after the draft. If that's so how was HB not a bigger need than QB? At least we had a young, returning starter at Qb. We had Lex Hilliard as our only HB. Also, Thomas wasn't as highly regarded at his position as Mallett was at his? How many HBs went before Thomas? How many QBs before Mallett? If you don't want to use the actual draft results, there were still plenty of sites that had Thomas rated in the 3rd round area (he went very late 2). Not like he was a nobody like some people are claiming. He had pretty darn good #s in his 2 yrs at K-state.
Didn't read the whole thread in case I'm duplicating here.......... I thought Thomas looked really good in those early season games with Houston and Cleveland. He ran really hard, had a burst, broke tackles and looked fantastic. He showed in those two games that he has the talent to be a player - so the fact he showed that is encouraging to me - it's not like he did not show any potential at all during the year. He reportedly was dinged up some during the year - obviously, he needs to be durable in order to justify his draft slot, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt going into next year.
Did you forget about Sean Smith or is he omitted from the list for another reason? Huh? Cause my spidey sense is tingling........
3.9 ypc behind a good O-line and one of the best QB's in the league in Drew Brees. If we give Ingram the round up by one then it should go o everyone else too........giving Thomas 3.6 ypc.......
You're right, but I think it's much easier to plug a RB in that can produce as opposed to finding a QB. It's become a plug and play position with the exception of a few elite talents. And even those elite RBs have proven they can't carry a team without a QB. Plus I think Ireland must have known he would have a decent shot at landing Bush. Again, there is some truth there, but when I'm stating an opinion that I believe Ireland taking Thomas where he was as being a mistake, why would I use the actual draft as being sound results? The draft position was flawed by what I believe to have been a mistake by Ireland. Again, it's just my opinion. We'll never know for sure until / if we get to see both players put in a significant amount of time. Belive me, given the teams that both players play for, I hope Mallet proves to be a BUM and Thomas shines. But I think Mallet could potentially have been more valuable to us than Thomas.
Re-acquire Ronnie Brown on the cheap and play him at FB. I can see how his value has diminished, but I just want to see if he can resurrect his carrer. IMHO he would be an amazing FB with Bush. His hands are too good.
Well if you really want to play that game I'm not the only one telling you, what you mean to say isn't what you are posting. And I wasn't being smarmy at all with my original post. You have been the aggressor in all this because you don't like what I have to say. I haven't followed you around and commented on all your posts. I got into it with you what 4 weeks ago? But by all means ignore away. I'm still going to comment on your posts if I feel the need to.
Imo Thomas didn't have an ideal rookie season but still shows promise. I wouldn't say he has shown enough ability to pound the ball and get the yards by running through people like he was supposed be able to do. He was hampered by injury early in the season and than seemed to disappear towards the end but I still think he has the ability to turn it around next season. In no way will he be as good as Ronnie Brown was during his peak but if he could be a bit more consistent and stay healthy I think he'll pan out alright
I also think Thomas' average suffered a bit because he ran a lot in obvious rushing situations. For example, more than 1/4 of Thomas' carries came in the 4th quarter (29%) while a considerable less amount of Bush's runs were in the 4th (18.5%). Bush averaged 5.2ypc in the 4th, but it's a little misleading because the 72yd run in Buffalo (without that he's well below his yearly avg with 3.33ypc, which is far more in line with what Thomas did). Thomas had a fairly meager 2.9ypc in the 4th quarter, and averaged 3.8ypc over all other carries. I thought it showed most of the year that our OL (for one reason or another) couldn't get push in the short yardage situations when we really needed it, and I think all our backs GL #s suffered because of it (both Thomas' and Bush' ypc on 3rd down and inside the 10 are pretty bad, especially if you take out Bush's longest 3rd down run that accounts for like 90% of his 3rd down yardage) as we obviously struggled getting across the GL. Obviously Thomas doesn't have the home-run ability that Bush has, and no I don't think Thomas had a great year by any means. But I certainly wouldn't call it horrible, it was somewhere in between (like many rookies). He showed flashes at times of what he could do, but neither he, nor the OL were consistent enough. Luckily we didn't have to rely on him to shoulder the load, and luckily for him he has plenty of tape and experience to learn from going in to next year. He's not a bust yet, and while he may never be, he may not ever play up to his draft status completely either. It's way too freaking early to ***** so much about him IMO. If the general idea of the thread was that his rookie year was simply disappointing (not horrible), I would even agree.
Daniel Thomas was used and abused by Grandpa Snyder in college for good reason, he was their only weapon. I really don't see him having an injury free season his whole NFL career due to the amount of carries he had at KSU. In his 2 KSU seasons he had 545 carries and 52 receptions, for comparison to another rookie back, I give you Roy Helu's carries for 4 years which stand at 578 and 54 receptions with 3 years as a starter. That kind of abuse will take a toll on anyone, with his NFL touches he has 707 carries in 3 years....I just don't see him staying healthy long enough to be viable as anything but a complimentary back to say Reggie Bush or anyone they draft....(the Husker homer in me hopes that Rex Burkhead is somewhere on Miami's mind, but I digress)
You weren't smarmy in your first post, and my response was aggressive, I'll admit. It's just that while I enjoy debate, I get severely frustrated when my point is misconstrued. Seems like lately, and it's not just you, anytime I make a statement that a few of you don't agree with, what I said gets twisted into something it wasn't. It's really hard to have a rational debate when someone spins your original argument into something completely different.
That doesn't bother me in the least. What bothers me is that the O Line was horrible in short and goal situations - no push at all, and a Csonka following the Fridge would have a hard time driving through the non-existent hole there.
I never liked Vern very much, but while he was at tackle he held his own at getting in people's way while he was younger. Move his fat butt to guard and pair him with a monumental failure like Colombo, and you have the reason why a straight ahead power runner like Daniel Thomas never got going.
