It's amazing to me that a coach who has been pretty balanced his entire career is somehow being characterized as being backwards.
That's because your casual fans have it in their head that the more you throw it, the more you win. We know that isn't the case though. Passing efficiency is the key, not passing volume.
Neither of them won a Super Bowl though. I agree with Fin D. Coaching ability is overrated. Sparano was a great coach when he went 11-5 with Pennington and a horrible coach when he went 7-9, 7-9, and 4-9 with Chad Henne and Matt Moore. And did Mike Shannahan lose his ability to coach, or did having John Elway in Denver and McNabb/Grossman in Washington maybe have a little something to do with his success, or lack thereof?
Let me say again, I don't hate Jeff Fisher. I am indifferent about him. I do not understand why people are falling all over themselves for him. He is an average coach. His teams will not exceed his QB's grasps on any consistent basis. Now, yes, I've read all the excuses as to why his record was so poor in Tennessee. A lot of the same type excuses can be used in describing Sparano's time here, yet almost everyone wanted him gone. I personally don't care if we get Jeff Fisher or rehire Sparano or pull up a coordinator, because it has less bearing on our future success than getting an elite QB. Most coaches at this level are competent enough to win a SB or consistently compete for one with an elite QB. There are few coaches in the history of the NFL that could win regardless of their QB, because they were ahead of their time. I don't see any potential hire being in the category of Shula, Knoll, Walsh, Lombardi, etc.,...so who cares. Get a QB and all will be well. Hell, with a good QB even Sparano can coach a team to an 11-5 record.
It was stated that none of them did anything meaningful. Ok, i guess you could define reaching the SB and not winning as not a meaningful event. Then ok he is right. If you think just merely reaching the SB then losing isn't meaningful then ok, we can agree to disagree,
You said nothing meaningful. So if you think just making it to the SB is not meaningful then I guess you are right. Let's trade the next ten first round picks to Indy so we can get Luck, and since coaches do not matter, let us just hire Floyd the barber to be the head coach.
Flash in the pan. Getting to the SB, losing and flaming out, speaks more to being fortunate than good. It happens on occasion. Sometimes you get an Arizona Cardinals, or Seattle Seahawks, occasionally get all the way to the SB and lose, all while sucking before and after that season. So what? That's not success. That's lucky and lucky once. I want a good team with a chance to compete every year. You, apparently want to be mediocre to bad, with one magical season where we lose the SB before becoming mediocre to bad again. Awesome.
Meaningful is the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Saints, Packers, etc. Year in year out they have a chance to go all the way and win it. You want to be more like Arizona or Seattle.
Point is, without a Franchise QB, you don't have a consistent shot at making a deep run in the playoffs. I don't care if you're the Zombie Re-Incarnate of equal parts Bill Walsh and Vince Lombardi. If you don't have a QB, you're not gonna do a whole lot.
They went 13-3 that season (and the one thereafter for that matter)... I don't see how that's a flash in the pan.
Hell in 2000, they lost to the Ravens in the divisional round because of a blocked field goal returned 90 yards for a touchdown and then a 50 yard interception returned for a touchdown thereafter... It was tied 10-10 in the 4th quarter and then things just went bad. Hard to really blame Fisher for that... especially considering the Ravens went on to win the Super Bowl that year.
If you handed me a $100 everyday for 16 days, and out of those 16 days I only gave you back a $100 6 times, why the hell would you hand me a $100 on the 17th day? Do you really, truly think Fisher will lead us to a SB win even though he has never done so, in 16 years?
I agree 100% with the above. The HC is a lot less relevant than the QB. If you do not have a top 10 QB then the overriding focus of the organization should be on acquiring a top 10 QB. Otherwise, in today's NFL you have little shot of a championship.
I don't know... but I would say that about any coaching candidate. I think the odds of Fisher leading us to a Super Bowl are better than most other potential head coaches for Miami.
Based on what though? Certainly not history. In fact, if you look at his personal history, 0 SB wins in 16 years, with the history of the NFL and head coaches winning the SB on another team, (the only ones that come to mind in the past 20 years are Coughlin, Gruden & Billicheat) it looks pretty bleak. BTW, only Gruden did it without a superstar QB. There's almost a better chance of winning with first time coach.
The circumstances Fisher coached in (Bud Adams, the move from Houston to Tennessee, frugal spending, etc) while keeping his team competitive all those years, I guess... A lot of the things that were already posted about Fisher are reasons why I think he would be a good fit. It's pretty clear that you aren't going to change your mind because you're so against this six winning seasons in sixteen seasons... which IMO is misleading because it makes the reader believe that Fisher had ten losing seasons but really he only had five. If we don't get Fisher, I hope we hire Todd Bowles... I think he'll be a good head coach and would be here for the long haul.
Well hell, the problem's solved then. Trade away our entire draft to Green Bay to get Aaron Rodgers down here to Miami and then Steven Ross can just be the Head Coach. What could possibly go wrong???
The 49er's had Alex Smith with 3 head coaches and continued to lose The 49er's get a good head coach in Jim Harbaugh and now they're in the playoffs. Players, to include quarterbacks, are tools in a toolbox. Coaches are the mechanics. If coaches don't know how to use their tools, they're going to lose.
Its about Championships. Not playoffs.where's Jon Gruden and Brian Billick coaching? Only two coaches to win superbowls with average QBs in my life time. Yet they were ousted and never got another job.
In your lifetime, only 2 coaches have won Super Bowls with average quarterbacks, but in MY lifetime... Vince Lombardi; Bart Starr Hank Stram; Len Dawson Don Shula; Bob Griese John Madden; Ken Stabler Chuck Noll; Terry Bradshaw Bill Parcells; Phil Simms Joe Gibbs; Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien Mike Ditka; Jim McMahon Brian Billick; Trent Dilfer Jon Gruden; Brad Johnson And those are the coaches who won with average quarterbacks. How about coaches with "elite quarterbacks"? Don Shula; Johnny Unitis, Dan Marino Tom Landry; Roger Stauback Mike Tomlin; Ben Roethlisburger Tony Dungy; Peyton Manning Ken Weisenhut; Kurt Warner Bill Belichek; Tom Brady Mike Martz; Kurt Warner Marv Levy; Jim Kelly Dan Reeves; John Elway I could even go so far as match up "elite franchise quarterbacks" versus the average quarterbacks and show you the results there...but you can see for yourself if you were willing to look them up. And your notion they were ousted and never got another coaching job is ludicrous. Jon Gruden has been pursued and Brian Billick is a name surfacing as a potential coaching candidate.
And notice how pretty much every one of those elite QBs are recent and how pretty much every average QB is a long time ago. It is a different game now. We don't talk about bringing in 250 lb offensive lineman because there were successful during your time.
I want a team that is seriously in the hunt to make the playoffs on a yearly basis. Once a team is regularly in the playoffs, anything can happen. Looking at how the Titans compared against the rest of the league in number of wins during Fisher's tenure, then I'd say he gives us that. From 1999-2008, the Titans were 5th in the NFL in wins.
Cowher didn't have a franchise QB until Big Ben. His teams still made the playoffs most every year. Fisher had a borderline franchise QB in McNair for part of his time in Tenn, but overall fielded consistently competitive teams, evidenced by the Titans having the NFL's 7th best winning pct during the years Fisher was there.
The year before Shula, the Dolphins were 3-10-1. In his first season in Miami, Shula went 10-4 with mostly the same players.
You need to first make the playoffs before you can win the Super Bowl. In the playoffs, anything can happen. Like the Pats being one and done, and the Jets even with Sanchez getting within a **** hair of making the Super Bowl.
Yea, I was being SERIOUSLY distracted by the wife when I was typing that post. My train of thought was being distracted. Gee Mr Clean, according to some of these guys, Shula was completely irrelevent, huh? It was all Griese, Woodley and Marino
Like I said, you only want playoffs and no SB wins, which is all Fisher has proven he can do, and not even consistently. That's your right, but I don't get it.
