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Jay Glazer: Dolphins to seek permission to interview Bengals DC Mike Zimmer

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just from watching the Bengals this year and what Reggie Nelson does, I do not see Sean Smith being a FS in Zimmer's scheme. Nelson blitzes A LOT, and at one point, was the Bengals leading tackler (he might've finished the year on top, I don't know for sure). He seemed to have his safeties in the box quite a bit. I'm not sure I see Sean Smith doing that. I think Smith would be fine as the #2 CB in Zimmer's scheme. In other words, the Leon Hall when Zimmer had both Hall and Jonathan Joseph.
     
  2. RoninFin4

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    I'd like that lineup a lot. I think I'd rather have a guy like Vontaze Burfict in the middle of it as opposed to Marvin Mitchell, but I see a lot of similarities to the players he has in Cincinnati.

    Michael Johnson = Cameron Wake
    Geno Atkins = Randy Starks
    Domata Peko = Paul Soliai
    Frostee Rucker/Carlos Dunlap/Robert Geathers = I'm not sure Kendall Langford or Jared Odrick equal this part.
    Thomas Howard = Kevin Burnett
    Rey Maualuga = I don't think Miami has this part, though Maualuga is very much the Channing Crowder, 2-down LB for Cincinnati.
    Manny Lawson = Karlos Dansby. I can see it, but Lawson's a better pass-rusher.
    Brandon Johnson = Koa Misi...perhaps. Johnson plays a lot in their nickel scheme, especially when they go to 3-down linemen.

    I think the secondary in Miami overall is more talented than Cincinnati's is. Leon Hall is probably the best overall DB between the two, but I think Vontae Davis could be that guy. For whatever reason, at least from when I've watched, Zimmer has always had Hall on the defensive right, as opposed to Vontae who moves to whomever he's covering.

    I think Miami's missing that second pass-rushing DE and the thumper at MLB. Channing Crowder could easily do what he had Rey Maualuga doing this year (Maualuga was their Sam for the past few years while Dhani Jones was inside), though I think a guy like Burfict gives you more versatility and wouldn't have to come off the field on 3rd downs like Crowder would.

    Pass-rushing depth is the only other weakness I see. Cincinnati has Rucker and Dunlap coming off the bench, along with Jonathan Fanene. I'm not sure I see many players that Miami would have that equal that pass-rush. Jared Odrick could be Fanene, and even better than him, but other than that...Phillip Merling maybe?
     
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  3. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Great post, you hit the nail on the head
     
  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Our defense has been getting built over three years, and is in tune with their DC (Nolan), so sure, sign another defensive coach that will fire the coordinator from the side of the ball that has been good.

    This would be a horrific and embarrassing hire.

    Zimmer is an over-aggressive moron, that has infuriated fan bases everywhere he has been.

    he sucks. Let's not dress up this pig.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    and for three years Sect we haven't been able to stop the bests in our conference when we had to..

    If we get rejected by Fisher would you stick with Bowles??or do you want a different coordinator??

    and continue to talk about Zimmer please?? what is it that you seen?
     
  6. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    If Fisher tells us to screw off...then I say, go after Billick..if he is a no go..then obviously, we can forget Gruden or Cowher, so I would give the job to Bowles.

    As for Zimmer.

    The first time I heard the term "assclown" was from a friend of mine who is a cowboys fan. he HATED him.

    Zimmer is the king of the "all out blitz giving up a 80 yard touchdown" call that has you scratching your head for days. He is ULTRA aggressive, to a fault.
     
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  7. Jimmy James

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    I don't like this interview at all. Section is right -- he's idiotically overaggressive. I'm still on the Toub bandwagon at least among the current assistants who may be in the running.
     
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  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe we should look at personnel? for example, this year right up until the day of training camp, He thought he had his best corner Jon Joseph, that was taken away from him, and he made do, lead a unit that was #1 for good parts of it..

    I think right now, our identity, is defense, our players talk like they know they have talent, and are bordering on a good looking swagger, we improve a couple of positions, with this dudes schemes and discipline, we might be able to go to another level defensively, and mesh these two energies together..Defense and Zimmer, I'am a defensive guy, so I'am biased a bit, but I think our leaders would like the hiring..

    What if he comes on board and he promotes Bowles to his d coordinator??
     
  9. Section126

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    IDK. I just don't like it.
     
  10. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    well, if you don't like it, it must be a good move... :tongue2:
     
  11. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Flynn-bin is still our best option at the moment...
     
  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    For what it's worth, my friend who has been a die hard Bengals fan his entire football conscious life would really hate to lose Zimmer and thinks he will be a fine head coach. That's just one Bengals fan perspective, I know, but I find it interesting. In terms of coaches we have been linked to recently I'd much rather Zimmer than Mularkey.
     
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  13. Jimmy James

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    Yeah, and I'd much rather Wannstedt than Cameron. What's your point? We have to be able to do better than that!
     
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  14. padre31

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    Smacks of an 8 win season doesnt it?

    I've thought about this Sect, and sort of decided we've reached the point where most of our blue collar players, are fine, it is the playmakers that we lack, you cannot win many games with Brandon Marshall and the weak sisters Wr corps, you cannot win many games with a secondary that does not create turnovers and you cannot win many games with Cam Wake as you passrush that the opponent has to plan to stop.

    At one point, Nolan was blitzing MORE often then Rex Ryan's Jest Cb's were, so often Bowles was injected into the Defense to moderate the blitzing, our base Defense does not generate consistent pressure.

    And this is a problem up and down the skill positions...just..not..good...enough.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    well we have something in common on this coaching topic, your dislike for Zimmer is equal to mine for Billick.
     
  16. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Didn't we expect him to be on the top of Ireland's(people I'm comfortable with but not always what is best) list?
     
  17. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I think it depends on how knowledgeable the coach is.

    Bellichick is a defensive coach and Brady turned out okay, but did the coach make Brady or is it the other way around?

    Ideally you would think a coach who has a background dealing with Quarterbacks would be what we need.
     
  18. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    No more former Dallas Cowboys coaches/coordinators!!!

    If Fisher falls through, BRING IN MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER!!!!!
     
  19. jinx

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    This fits for Jeff Fisher too.
     
  20. Jimmy James

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    The Ireland factor keeps getting played up, and I am hopeful that means that this is either a courtesy interview or an interview that is as much about picking the guy's brain about defensive topics as anything.
     
  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The following current head coaches were never head coaches before their current jobs: Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Ken Whisenhunt, Mike Tomlin, Gary Kubiak, Rex Ryan, John Harbaugh, Jason Garrett, Marvin Lewis, Mike Smith, Lovie Smith, Jim Schwartz, Andy Reid, and Mike Munchak.
    Some pretty successful names on that list.
     
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  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    :sidelol: Not just any ol' season ticket holder, but one for 40 years!!!

    Where have you gone DolfanJake? Your constant negativity was like a breath of fresh air, compared to your replacement.
     
  23. MrClean

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    All things being equal, I prefer the 3-4, just so long as I can get my NT and ROLB that are studs. However, I see some advantage to running whichever front of the two that is used by the minority of teams. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
    You saw how much better our defense was once Dansby got into shape. So I guess his position is also critical to a 3-4's success. I'm reminded of 20 some yrs ago, how our defenses were literally twice as good when John Offerdahl was in the lineup, compared to games he missed and it didn't seem to matter who played any of the other front 7 positions, as long as he was one of them. Then again Bates and Hill's 4-3 defenses wouldn't have been near the same if Zach wasn't so durable back in his youth.
     
  24. MrClean

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    I read somewhere they had a good relationship in Dallas.


    Then I read here how Ireland is really Satan, Pol Pot or Adolf Hitler, and then realize that must be impossible for Zimmer to ever get along with him. ;)
     
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  25. MrClean

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    I'd expect Odrick to be the starting left end in a Zimmer 4-3.
     
  26. MrClean

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    Think I'd rather Dansby at MLB and Misi at Sam.
     
  27. Jaj

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    He could do it I don't doubt that, but he's a better fit inside at the three tech. Langford is a nice fit out there too on run downs.
     
  28. RoninFin4

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    I could see Odrick taking that role, but I think he's a ringer for the role that Jonathan Fanene currently has in Cincinnati. 3rd DT, which he would be behind Starks and Soliai, if Soliai is re-signed. But he'd play just about every nickel and dime snap there is, meaning while he's not "starting" he's probably playing double the snaps that Paul Soliai is when all is said and done. He'd obviously get some snaps in the base packages as well.
     
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  29. RoninFin4

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    Just from having seen what Zimmer does with the Bengals, I don't think Karlos Dansby is the type of banger that Zimmer would want, and has in Rey Maualuga. And I don't see Koa Misi being the type of athlete that Zimmer has in his current Sam, Manny Lawson. I think Dansby would be better suited for that spot (I believe he was a Sam in Arizona when they had the 4-3; Gerald Hayes was the Mike). Zimmer uses his Sam off the edge as a pass-rusher, a la a 3-4 OLB (which as it stands is probably the biggest knock on Koa Misi as is), but also has him out in coverage quite a bit on TEs. I think Dansby's got the abilities for that role. Not that I'm proposing it, but if there were ever a scenario where "Koa Misi should move inside" takes hold, it might be in Zimmer's D. Again, I don't think Misi should do it, I think he's more the Brandon Johnson in this case, but I could "see" it.
     
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  30. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Parcells left because he knew he ****ed up and got out of of a sinking ship. I think he still collecting a pay check.
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    When he came into the league, the Frostee Rucker/Carlos Dunlap/Robert Geathers role fit Merling very well. Not so sure anymore. He was miscast in a 3-4 base defense, so I guess that's why most of his snaps came in the nickel package as an inside pass rusher. Most people consider Merling a disappointment considering he was taken 32nd. He maybe could be Zimmer's latest reclamation project, if he gets the gig.
     
  32. Stitches

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    If Merling still had the weight he had coming into the NFL I could see him possibly at LE, but not sure he could be a good option there now.
     
  33. hazed819

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    Great another Parcell's guy... just what we want here.
     
  34. Desides

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    He's not part of the Parcells coaching tree. He was a holdover when Parcells signed on in Dallas.
     
  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yeah, those Parcells guys, Belichick, Coughlin, Payton...awful, terrible, despicable.
     
  36. hazed819

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    LoL yes exactly, thanks for solidifying my comment. Belicheck Is 41-55 without Tom Brady, lets have a chat after Brady retires. Coughlin was a game from being canned last years and this year. Payton will only go as far as Brees will take him then his run will be up. Like I said Parcell's guys " NO THANK YOU"
     
  37. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    So you're saying all that really matters is whether or not we find the right QB?
     
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  38. hazed819

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    Bingo,

    If we found the next Tom Brady in this draft we could hire Parcell's hair dresser and call him the next best thing since sliced bread.
     
  39. Disgustipate

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    I don't know that you can assume he wants that type of MLB given that Maualuga hasn't lived up to his draft billing. He wasn't supposed to just that. You've also got to consider some of his other linebackers, most notably Dat Nguyen. I wouldn't discount Dansby's ability there, either. That's essentially his job now in the base defense.

    I don't know if I'd call Lawson a pass rusher, either. He's a former DE/3-4 OLB playing 4-3 OLB and there's a big trend there, but he had only 46 rushes last year. That's a really low percent even for as often as he was pulled off the field.

    I do think it's more likely Misi is part of our depth at DE.
     
  40. Disgustipate

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    This took a lot longer than I expected.
     

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