Well, one of the things I don't like about the Jeff Fisher situation is he is the only good looking girl at the post 2011 season draft (so to speak), and let's be honest Fisher is more like a 7.5, and not a 10 He was sort of the "obvious" choice, which usually tells me that he is also the choice of least vision for the team's management, which is a sort of terminal problem for our front office and has been since Dave Wannstedt was gracing us with his dual Coach/GM role. I like Fisher, don't love him so to speak, we've been down this road, I'd prefer an experienced Coach, but the whole drama about Dolphins v Rams on his part has put me off a bit, we've tried the mercenary route before, and it failed with Parcells "good not great". So, fellow dolphins fans, do you even want Fisher to coach the Dolphins in the first place? And is he worth all of this drama in the first place?
Look, of the guys available, he's the best option out there. We don't know things about guys like Zimmer, Bowles, Toub, Philbin, whoever is next on the list that we know about Fisher. I don't think the hire is going to happen, but I still think he's the best option out there right now... The hardest thing for me to swallow, should we lose Fisher is how much Ireland's presence had to do with it. I'm not convinced that Ireland is chopped liver, but I'm not convinced that he's the best option at GM either and if his being here is holding us back from getting a better coach, that's just not right and could have us going thru the same thing for another 3 yrs before the next HC is fired or Ireland is fired...
I am not enamored of him but think he is an acceptable choice given what's out there. I would love to be overwhelmed, but Belichick isn't coming, so it may as well be him, if he comes. If not, blah. Move on.
Yes, I'd like him, but it's kind of a moot point by now. Definitely warming up to Zimmer, much more than the other candidates that have been mentioned...Mularkey.
Fisher is a good coach but his reputation is far greater than his actual accomplishments. However, us landing him would be good, and may even be necessary, for the overall health of the franchise. right now, we need somebody with credibility to give Ross and Ireland the stamp of approval. We've already been turned down by at least 2, maybe 3 top notch coaches in the last year, and if Fisher chooses sTL, it will be 4. And losing a guy to STL is a far greater sting that losing a guy to SF, or broadcasting.
Zimmer is an interesting choice. But I have to believe there are mystery candidates whose names have not been relased. I refuse to believe that we spent the majority of the weekend doing nothing other than finishing up the Philbin interview Saturday morning.
We know what Fisher "is", if you want the upside of a young coach, you take the risk of hiring a young coach. Eh, then again, JJ, Wanny, Saban, all had player personnel power, it failed, I'd think we'd have learned that lesson by now. I'm not enamoured of Ireland, do like him, think he has some great niche' skills, also think he may be damaged goods reputation wise around the NFL.
Yeah, well he's been thru the 'can't get past the one team in the division' thing with Indy and here he'd have NE. I do think he's just the type of coach this franchise needs to get back to respectability within the league. You can argue his record of winning with the tribulations that franchise went thru for 5 yrs but as our former leader (Quitcells) says, you are what your record says you are. The bottom line is it's time for something to go right for this franchise as opposed to what we've had....We've paid our debt to the NFL for 29 yrs of winning football...
Part of me WANTS him to come here. I would like to see what he could do with a spending owner as opposed to a cheap skate owner. If he will only come here if he has final say on player personnel, then no thanks. He is better than some other options out there that have been talked about, but I keep hoping for the next young genius to be discovered and bring us back to prominence. I am not tuned in to the league to the point of knowing all of the asst coaches and who is qualified and who isnt, but the younger Gruden is intriguing. There are some coaches out there that I have NO interest in, like Shotty.
I can certainly understand the point some have about getting an experienced guy like Jeff Fisher in here to stabilize the franchise. I agree with in some ways, and I would support hiring Jeff Fisher or Marty Schottenheimer based on the fact that those two can stabilize the franchise. The question I have is whether Fisher is the guy that can get the team over the hump? Like Padre said, I think he's a 7.5 on a 10 scale. He's a good coach, but I'm not convinced he is a great coach. The thought that keeps popping up in the back of my head is that if we hire Fisher, will we be missing out on the next great coach in the league? Sometimes, the unknown is an attractive thing, because there is that potential for great. Right now, I'm thinking I want Mike Zimmer. No, he doesn't have any head coaching experience, but he does have some qualities that I want to see in a head coach. 1. He is a heck of a motivator. His players love playing for him and would run through a brick wall for him. A couple of things that I have read about him show this. 2. He puts his players first. It may not mean much to some, but when your coach shows that he really does care about you, it makes you want to play that much harder for him. I think it is a tremendous credit to him that he is willing to take troubled players under his wing and try to help them out not only on the field, but off the field as well. 3. His ability to adapt. This is a guy who was a 4-3 coach that coached the Jimmy Johnson style of defense for years, and when Bill Parcells came in and retained him, he willingly ran a 3-4 defense despite not coaching that style in a while. Now, his defense is somewhat of a mix of that, with a base 4 man front with a lot of 3 man front rush concepts, which are his words. Also, look at the talent he has on that Cincinnati defense. They may not have a single player on that defense that would start in Miami with the exception of Leon Hall, and they are 7th in the NFL in total defense. He gets the most out of his players, and it is because he puts them into a position where they can succeed. If you look at this list and say, well, that sounds like Tony Sparano, look at the last sentence in the third point. Tony Sparano did care about his players and was a good motivator, but he was horrible at putting his players in the best position to succeed. Mike Zimmer does put his players into positions where they can succeed.
I don't think we're dead by any means if we don't land Fisher, but if given the choice to either have him or not, I'd say "have him" 100 times out of 100 here. Guy is true adult supervision for this team at a time when we critically need it. But if it doesn't work out, there are others out there who could do just as good or better. Problem is, of course, they could be much much worse. W/ Fisher, you have to believe we'd at least be relevant in most seasons, and maybe much more if we can ever solve this GD QB situation (Moore, or otherwise).
The thing w/ the Pats is, Brady ain't hanging around forever. He's getting to the point in his career soon where injuries will start to take their toll ... miss a few games, here, miss some there, arm strength weakens, etc. Think Marino post-'96. Not saying it's happening next season or anything, but you can see that point coming. Unless he turns into Favre or something .... Point being, if we can get ourselves a consistent QB w/ top-10 skills or better, the timing may just be right to build something longer term.
The biggest reason I want Fisher is because so far all the other candidates that have been interviewed or scheduled to be interviewed are rather uninspiring. Although, the latest news of Zimmer is somewhat more interesting.
I think, for me, Zimmer heads up the list of "others." If nothing else, for what I saw on Hard Knocks two years ago. I remember thinking to myself, "I thought the Bengals were a joke - this guy seems like a fantastic coach, how can that be??" Two of last three years, the D has been pretty darn good, and he seems to have that perfect meld of quality football brain, and a truly human side that gets his players to fight for him. I also remember his wife passed away during the '09 season, and the outpouring of love he received from his team shows you something. It wasn't just the cursory "Sorry for your loss" type stuff, it was true caring for a man they seemed to adore. We could do worse (oh my, could we do worse).
Unless he wants to coach here the vote is kinda moot,I would be OK with him but I think he goes to the Rams
Fisher is a '10.' Still would need a QB, though. Unfortunate for us that we will very likely be getting a lesser head coach. The 'M' on the little helmet now stands for 'mediocrity.'
Maybe so, but I still think that it's more about BB than Brady...either way, Brady's time is coming to a close, but is that going to be 2 yrs, 3 yrs ?? Will Ross be satisfied with waiting around for Fisher's plan to come to fruition in 2 or 3 yrs if Brady is still using us as a whipping post ?? I don't know...As I said, I still think it's more about BB than Brady... And he's likely to be around longer than Brady...
KB makes a good point about Zimmer using castoffs and no names on his defense, as our reaility is the Evil Empire in New England is not going away any time soon, the only way to beat them is to find such players and use your premium, high draft choices on difference makers, not blue collar joes. Jeff Fisher does the same thing, especially on the offensive line, defensive line and defensive backs, all areas where we have spent high draft choices on, in that regard, taking Chris Johnson with a #1 pick and developing Cortland Finnegan is sort of the anti Sparano/Ireland approach.
How about a "meh, whatever" category? At this point all coach hire scenerios have failed for the Phins.
I would like him to be our coach..I think once he's in, he will be long term, and will have some football morals and goals, I feel his coaching is good enough where if I pair him with a good talent evaluator, we can reach the pinnacle. I don't think he chooses us, so its time to move on and interview everyone.
No thanks. It'd be nice for once to have an offensive-minded coach that knows the talent level on the team and communicates effectively with the GM to build a proper team that can hang toe-to-toe with a rival like New England. Bellichick never uses the prevent defense to win games, uses prevent offense.
A good time to bump this one, let's be honest here, Fisher would have gotten us a pop of respect in the NFL media but mixed results based on his track record. The real problem is now our choices are, once again, the murky pool of assistants who "are well liked".
