It took Moore until his 3rd game to really get into a groove. He struggled against SD and also the Jets first game. Came on strong against Denver, then regressed a little against the Giants. I like Matt Moore as much as anyone here. Been watching him since college. But, I'm not going to pretend he stepped on the field in his first game action and immediately played like a solid seasoned starter.
Doesn't look like it was at first, he lost his first 3 starts, hmmmmmm..... so did Henne. And he lost to playoff teams.....just like Henne..... hmmmmm.....He beat bum teams. Please don't be fooled. Moore didn't win us as many games as you think, he just didn't lose as many. Big difference. He could have beat Dallas, but didn't. He could have beat Denver, but didn't. He never stepped up in the 4th quarter, just like Henne didn't, yet everybody wants to blindly hand him the starting gig. Look at the WHOLE picture.
No, Chad Henne is not very good. This is the same excuse you always make for him while relentlessly bashing any player you've decided you don't like for whatever reason. It's the fans' fault Chad Henne is not very good. That's a good one.
One thing about Moore and Henne (this year) that there is a distinct difference on with is very telling is this... Henne was sacked every 10 Pass Attempts and had an INT every 28 Passing Attempts... Moore was sacked every 9.6 Pass Attempts and had an INT every 39 Passing Attempts... When you look at these numbers you can see that they have the same problems with OL protection or lack of...but... Moore had a better success rate at limiting INTs... He was 39% over Henne, better at limiting INTs... and that is a huge factor in game managing, which can win you games...
To add some balance, keep in mind Moore's offense had great starting field position, much better then Henne's, a part of that was Gates got better at returning kick offs and the Defense generated more turnovers, iirc our average starting field position moved to the 30's w/Moore
You are missing the context...2 of Henne's interceptions were not in the normal flow of the game. One on the last play against NE when the game was over and he threw the ball to the end zone in which the WR didn't even try to make a play on the ball and the other he had to force on 4th and 10 throwing to a blanketed Marshall at the end of Cleveland game. Henne had "one" interception in 3 games that was just a poor throw. And then when you factor in the fumbles...
During the games Henne was in 100% serious. And your answer is? An injured Long or BM who was dropped every TD pass thrown to him in the end zone?
Anyone using the phrase "blind hate" in the same context as Henne astounds me. Henne plenty of time and chances here in MIA. I don't care if he sticks around, but the new HC is going to want his guy to run his team. Henne will never be the long term answer here.
I can remember the same with Moore a few times, so instead of trying to differentiate, I kept them in context... I am not tryiing to Defend Moore either...
All I know for a late 2nd round pick, the player was developing his game, our job is to developement that talent, i question what someone is looking at if their eyes told them this dude was not improving as a QB, the level he jumped just this offseason, was very good for a third year player, relative to the position, and draft status.
True, then: 16 to 16 18 to 12 14 to 10 17 to 5 Henne never approached even his prior to 2011 level of td to int ratio, he was always in the negative.
Henne also never had a good coach or defense. Alex Smith started winning and playing better when their defense started playing at a higher level. It is not coincidental.
And that is my problem with Henne, not only "it's always something", but also he just is not good enough to lift the team. 7-9/7-9/6-10 Not good enough, no more excuses.
Its true, Henne is not worse than Alex Smith. Henne however, is never going to have a former QB tailor an offense to his strengths and avoid his weaknesses, like the 9ers have.
Defense was ranked in the top 5 last year before that awful Pats game week 17. I think there's too many excuses for Henne like people who thought John Beck deserved more time. If you look at these playoffs the winning teams are averaging 35 points and even losing teams are throwing up 25+ points. Inconsistent Henne can't get that done. We need less red zone Field Goals, more TD's. He's a free agent and we're not going to re-sign him anyway.
That's a pretty big stretch. It's convenient to blame every QB who either played poorly or never amounted to anything with Henning as OC or HC, while crediting Henning with a few random decent QB seasons amongst his lifetime of 20th ranked scoring offenses (That's his avg IIRC). 2008-11 Miami Passing offense: 52 TD, 47 INT, QBR of 97, 73, 74. -Pat White? Out of NFL after 1 season? -Thigpen? Regressed in Henning's offense. -Pennington? Regressed in year 2 and struggled vs good defenses. -Henne? Had us excited his 1st year starting but plateaued; then looked much improved his 1st year w/o Henning. 2002-06 Panthers Delhomme regressed during last 2 years under Henning; then Jake went gangbusters in his 1st year w/o Henning before being injury. Panther fans thought Henning was terrible for Delhome IIRC. Rodney Peete had arguably the worst season of 15 year career. Passing offense: 106 TD, 86 INT, QBR of 65, 79, 87, 88, 77. 2000 Jets Passing Offense: 67 QBR, 23 TD, 29 INT. Testaverde's worst season in 10 years. 1997 Buffalo Passing offense: 60 QBR, 14TD, 26 INT. 1992-93 Lions Passing offense: 74 QBR, 31 TD, 40 INT. Even Barry Sanders' 2 worst seasons were with Henning (13 total TDs, 4.4 YPC, and utilized less in the passing game). 1989-91 Chargers Passing offense: 66 QBR, 46 TD, 55 INT. 1983-86 Falcons Passing offense: 65 TD, 67 INT, rapidly declining QBR of 93, 76, 70, 66. 1979-80 Dolphins Passing offense: 41 TD, 48 INT, declining QBR of 74 to 66. (I don't count the Redskins b/c that offense was more Gibbs' than it was Henning's.) How many seasons did his offense produce more TDs than INTs? How about a QBR over 80? How many in the 60s? Dan's offenses had an average ranking of around 20th in PPG. What young QB has ever developed in one of them and proceeded to enjoy a long, successful career? Better question is: How many young QBs never went on to become anything after having Henning as an OC or HC during their developmental years?
I believe it is no one fault, do not care about that, what I do care about is whether or not the new HC buys into him or not. IMO, EVERYTHING must be examined, and graded, and judged, if Henne is a weak sister, out you go, no favorites. That was Sparano's failing, we stopped doing "best man plays" in favor of "my guys", a HC really should have no friends so to speak.
Sacks alone don't tell the story. QB hits and pressures attribute to more ints than sacks do. If one were to look at the combined number of all 3 forms of QB disruption it would probably show Henne was under more pressure on a per snap basis, especially since we allowed 38 hits on the QB for the season, and 11 of them came in week one. In the first 3 games, where Henne played the entire game, there were 19 total QB hits allowed. In the SD game between the two QBs there were 3 hits allowed and at least one was on Henne by Butler when Henne threw his int. So to be conservative, let's say 20 of the 38 QB hits our blockers allowed, came against Henne. There were 30 pressures in the first 3 games, and 85 in the next 13 games. That's 10 per game in the games QB'd entirely by Henne, and 6.5 a game after that. So, the blocking either improved as the season went along, or Moore was better at avoiding pressure and/or not holding on to the ball too long in the pocket. One of the complaints I noticed most about Moore was that he did hold the ball too long on a lot of plays where he was sacked. So, if it's true that Moore held the ball longer more often before getting rid of it, and the rate of pressures, hits and sacks per game decreased with Moore anyway, apparently the blocking improved as the year went along. Henne was harassed a good deal more on a per play basis, when you include pressures and hits on the QB. They did not have equal blocking at all.
I don't know how you can say Henne has no heart. LOL!!! Your hate is blinding you. It's ok, it happens.
LOL, this is going to be easy. In 2010, We lost to Buffalo, Detroit and NE. Throw out NE because they beat everybody. Vs. Buffalo, he led a 77 yard drive in the 4th quarter, completing 7 of 7 passes. Yeah, he sucks. Oh wait!!! That was the game that Carpenter missed 4 FGs!! Yeah, that is ALL on Henne. OK Detroit, wasn't that the game where the defense crapped the bed after we had a lead and gave up 17 in the 4th quarter, to SHAUN HILL?????? Yeah, that's Henne's fault too. OK, back to 2009 He throws for 349 yards and we lose to TN, yes, 349 is GUTLESS. What a weak performance. Nevermind the defense couldn't even slow down Chris Johnson. That is ALL on Henne. In the next game he throws for 322 yards vs Houston. How terrible!!! I mean 322 yards???? What a joke of a QB he must be. And the last game was Pittsburgh, where he OUTPLAYED Big Ben, but the ref handed them the game. So CLEARLY that is all on Henne. If 873 yards in 3 games down the stretch is his WORST football, I want that guy on my team. But you say he is a gutless loser. Thanks for point that out. Oh wait, you didn't show anything except blind hate with no facts. Good job! What else you got?
I'm sure he meant Henne giving 100% effort and doing anything he can for the team. Losing games doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have any heart, it may just mean that he isn't that good (which I believe is the case).
Tennessee game wasn't in OT. You just don't know as much as you think. He threw one pick in Buffalo. Do you just make up lies to support your baseless, immature opinions?? Your hate has blinded you, quit lying and quit posting.
OT http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291220010 3 picks http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=291129002
How do you know what it takes between the ears, and that Henne doesn't have it? Are you a psychologist? Have you played QB in the NFL? I mean you are making these statements and I don't believe it is anything more than one guy's opinion. Give me some proof. I already proved you need to lie about stats etc to support your argument. So what else you got?
He was talking about the last 3 games, that Buffalo game was earlier than that. Sorry. As for the OT game, CBS didn't show it as an OT, so my bad. Still, Henne did everything possible to win that game, it's a team effort and we had a garbage team.
Besides all this the point of this thread is that 5 years ago NOBODY thought Alex Smith was a good draft pick, not one person. But with a good coach he is now in the NFC title game. Henne hasn't had a good coach and was NEVER as bad as Smith was. All I am saying is that if Smith can turn it around after 5 years, why do we want to give up on Henne after 3?
I can also just as easily pull out 5 games that Henne won for us. What's the point? Haters will hate and only the new coach will decide if I am right or not.
