What hasn't this franchise tried since Marino / Shula? Big Hint - it invovles the QB

So Ted Ginn was a pick that someone thought was a safe decision?

 

Well,yeah. Dont get me wrong I like Moore( especially over Henne) but Smith is better overall than what we currently have.

 

No his family was the safe decision

 

Whoa........didnt see that coming.

 

Well, you're calling it wrong. Those other QBs (except Henne) have all gone on to play for other teams, and not a single one of them has been worth a damn. Those QBs were not destroyed by crappy coaches ( agree they were crappy). Those QBs just plain sucked.

 

And save for a set of hands, they DID give us everything they had.

 

I think you have to dig deeper than only the QB-position.
This franchise is not able to recognize, identify and draft gamechangers, heck superstars, on the offensive side of the ball at all.
The last game changers we drafted were No. 13 and Duper almost 30 years ago.
Since than we got mostly bust, some solid players and passed on the likes of Brees, Rodgers or Moss.
The only position we hit were on the OL where we got Sims, Webb and Long.
QB´s ? Henne is probably the best of them and that tells alot.
RB´s ? Kirby, KAJ and Brown were nothing more than ok. JJJ, Collins, Konrad, Pritchett, Avery, Minor...
WR ? OJ and Chambers. Good but not great. Green, Shannon, Turner, Ginn...
TE? Maybe McMichael. Mitchell and Lee were traded away before they did something.

 

As far as I see it, the QB is the ONLY player to get the ball on EVERY offensive play. He is then instrumental to EVERY play that is called. He is also responsible to react to EVERY offesive play that isn't playing out as was designed. If anyone on here thinks that ANY position on the field of play is more important than the QB you should not be watching football.

 

Marino, Griese and who else did we take in the 1st? Only other one I can think of is Rick Norton.

 

Fred Davis plays for the Redskins.

 

The Ravens are still playing in spite of Flacco, not because of him.

 

Lots of folks are ready to trust Matt Flynn after one big game.

 

A couple of people are saying that.

Lots of folks are saying its worth bringing Flynn in for a shot.

No one knows if Flynn can be elite. That's the difference between him and players like Grossman & Orton. Those guys have had their chances to be elite and were not. Flynn hasn't. In his one real showing, he played in a NFL game against NFL opponents and was amazing. That's more promise than any rookie outside of Luck. He will not cost any picks. He will not impede our chances of getting other QBs next year. He has the highest ceiling for the smallest risk (assuming we can protect ourselves with an out clause). It is foolish not to try.

If we hire Philbin, this makes even more sense, since he'll likely install the same offense that Flynn knows and did well in.

We have to start getting ballsy when it comes to QB acquisitions on this team. We've played it safe (outside of Pat White) for decades now and...surprise....our biggest need that whole time has been QB. I say go for Flynn AND draft a QB. And keep getting QB's every year, until we find an elite one.

 

It's worth giving him a shot if the contract is reasonable enough that the team signing him won't have to anoint him the starter and he merely competes on a level field with whomever the team signing him already has. My guess though is the deal Kolb signed last year has set the bar for whomever the top young FA QB is this year, which would be Flynn.
I'd rather draft a QB than pay Flynn what Kolb got. Even to include reaching for Tannehill or Weeden at 8/9.

What I'd do this offseason is resign Henne for something like 4-5mil for 2 yrs and also draft Tannehill, Weeden or Foles.
Henne as the #2 would be better than most teams have in that role. Weeden is my personal favorite of those 3. A QB depth chart of Moore, Henne and Weeden going into next season would be pretty solid to me. Let them fight it out and the best man wins.
I'd love to have RG3 of course, who wouldn't, but the Skins and the Browns are both QB needy even more than we are, and in a position to outbid us in any trade up attempt.

 

I like this idea the most, so far.

 

I agree, its not worth it if the contract anoints him the starter. That's it though. The difference between Kolb & Flynn is that Kolb had more games to actually showcase is talents. That's why I don't think Flynn will get the same deal. If we get Flynn, our 1st rd pick can be used on BPA and our 2nd can be used on a player like Weeden or Tannehil.

 

The jets, although in hindsight stupid, traded everything to move up to 5 and get Sanchez. They thought they had their guy and they went for him. 2 AFC championship game appearences later, they are always in the mix/talked about as a good team. If we feel RGIII (I do) is a guy that can change things around here, I don't care what it takes....you ****ing do it. Get RGIII, bring in an exciting offense, a smart, good kid with incredible talent/ceiling and watch this town errupt like it hasnt in years.

RGIII Baby.......make it happen!!!

 

I think he's worth a shot. What do we have to lose, other than some of Ross' money?

 

Yeah, as long as we arent trading away valuable draft picks for flash in the pan Aj Feelys of the world, I can live with a bit of FA money going to waste.

 

If I was GM, here's what I'd do every year with the draft:

1. Do I have a franchise QB?
If no go to #2. If yes, then is he 30 or older? If no then skip the steps. If yes, go to #2.

2. Is there a QB available that I feel has a 65% or better chance to be a franchise?
If no go to #3. If yes, draft him with your first pick.

3. Is there a QB available that I feel has a 50% chance or better to be a franchise?
If no draft BPA. If yes, draft him with your second pick.

And for Free Agency:

1. Do I have a franchise QB?
If no go to #2. If yes, then is he 30 or older? If no then skip the steps. If yes, go to #2.

2. Is there a QB available that I feel has a 65% or better chance to be a franchise?
If no go to #3. If yes, sign him without giving up picks the next year.

3. Is there a QB available that I feel has a 50% chance or better to be a franchise?
If no then skip. If yes, sign him without giving up any picks.

 

I think there'd be a chance. Ireland is known for doubling down on positions.

As far as if Flynn is only average, then refer to my post right before yours.

 

Thanks Ratso

 

Because all other methods have failed and that my friend is the truth.




its past time we stop making excuses for not getting talent and some of you guys think too highly of our wr corp . How about some of you top flaping your beaks and look harder it why the team hasnt been to but one playoff game in 12 years .

its really comical around here that everytime someone wants to get a skill player or make a bold move others quickly argue against it .

we traded we , we sign 100 free agent qb's in the last 12 years but the real problem is we have kept running the same ole offense year after year and that is the killer of why we havent been good for so long.

so when this team changes the mindset and get 4 wrs in here to compliment Marshall and we spread the field then our quarter backs can suceed.

 

just keep drafting one every year until one is found

 

Nonsense. We can win a Super Bowl with Matt Moore or some guy we draft in the 3rd round or a guy we sign for 60 Million with 2 career starts. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

 

very well said . plus we could have given up on several qbs by not giving them a decent chance to improve. I.E. Sage, Gus , Beck , Brian , and then throwing players out there who weren't completely healthy.

Yet I realize that Beck wasnt the answer but we really just threw him out there when he wasnt ready and i think if we gradually had gave him playing time maybe he could have success.

 

the thing is we cant just draft a qb in the first round just to say we drafted one, we have to make sure its the right one that will fit in what we want to do and can lead this team for over a decade. everyone wanted brian brohm people wanted brady quinn, people on espn saying we were dumb for not drafting quinn. in the 2012 draft is their a franchise qb that we can get? outside of luck/RG III i dont think so

 

Sooooo, don't draft a QB unless its a sure thing? Cause that's basically what you're saying.

First round picks that bust won't put anyone in cap hell anymore, so we might as well gamble. You have to buy a ticket if you want to win.

 

I think our holding pattern of being terrified of trying to find a franchise QB in the first round has brought us a ton of success. Trying to find a franchise QB in the first round is a total waste of time. This passing thing is a fad like the internet or cars.

 

The Giants refused to settle for Phillip Rivers and traded the farm to grab Eli Manning.

2 super bowl championships later, their QB has 2 SB mvp trophies and might go to the hall of fame.

Meanwhile..... we settle. We settle for 2nd rounders, we settle for other team's garbage (orton) or "hey guys we should just keep moore!", or even worse "bring back henne!"

 

I'm not against drafting a QB however I am against drafting a QB just to draft a QB. If you don't see a franchise guy you don't draft a second tier guy just to draft a QB. If you don't see a guy you like you can't reach.