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Lets see if Ireland is the star that some think he is..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. MikeHoncho

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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How many fu&^ing times are you gonna tell us that your not gonna support the team in any way??
    Alright man, go on your little crusade, why don't you start recruiting folks to join you with your superior knowledge..You can start a cult and sh^%, and be the leader!!!!
     
  3. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    what is wrong is the 2 philosophies are Defense or Offense minded ....

    the G-Men are clearly Defense minded ... WITH a scoring Offense --- SAME for SF. Funny, both of these D based teams beat two of the best offenses in the league, by however slim margin you wish.

    BAL is Defense minded, with a limited scoring Offense -- especially against another good team. THIS is the old school model, and yes -- unlikely to be sustainable over the long term.

    NE is clearly Offensive minded .... with our Marino era Defense. What makes them tough right now is the unmatched pairing of TEs with Welker.

    So, 3 out of the 4 final teams are without a doubt Defense 1st teams ... so how important is Defense again ...
     
  4. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Oh yeah, that's a viable option :pity:

    So, if I don't like a decision my boss makes when he overrides me, I can resign. In some professions, that's fine. but Ireland makes it to the pinnacle of his profession, the NFL GM, and doesn't like something BP does and resigns. Yeah, that will get some future job offers.

    I agree that Ireland deserves some blame for the first three years, but the ONLY year that we can positively blame or give full credit to Ireland is this season.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd really like to know who was responsible for not taking Gronk and Graham..your right Pod, those two choices were pissass poor.
     
  6. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    as for Ireland ... he certainly isn't a rock star ... but he has been predictable, consistent and average with his picks.

    equally, it's pretty tough to end up with rock star picks when need, character and work ethic > talent in his mind.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    For all of the crying about Drew Brees being skipped, though there were good reasons for doing so, the fact of the matter is the recent draft history has been just as tragic, but no one really realizes it quite yet.

    Draft 2010 was a terrible draft in hindsight:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

    Traded out of the #12 pick missed:

    -Ryan Matthews
    -Earl Thomas
    -Maurkice Pouncey
    -Jason Pierre Paul
    -Mike Iupati

    Took Koa Misi at #40 and missed out on:

    -Gronkowski
    -Carlos Dunlap

    Took John Jerry at #73 missed out on:

    -Jimmy Graham
    -Tony Maoeki
    -Navarro Bowman
    -Manny Sanders

    2010 was possibly the draft of the most missed opportunties since the Wanny Era, every move Ireland made, was probably the wrong one.

    And a great example of moving away from playmakers to take blue collar types, this is why Ireland has to show me something this offeason or I go from Buy to Neutral, where I'm at now, to Sell, why hasn't he been fired yet.
     
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  8. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree that Thomas was poor. He struggled with injuries, but I think you saw clear flashes that supported the drafting. As for Gates, you're missing the point. You said that the test was whether he stuck with guys he had drafted or attempted to add offensive play makers. The drafting of Gates is clearly the opposite of sticking with what you have and the addition of an offensive play maker. I don't care how many receptions he had in year one since I see the draft as a several year process. I see measuring things by one year as short-sighted and ultimately a recipe for failure. As for the incredibly simplistic fan sentiment of he was the GM in name so he gets all the blame. I find it incredibly ridiculous since we know for a fact that he didn't have final say.
     
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  9. Zach13

    Zach13 Season Ticket Holder

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    I am no draft expert but I was really hoping they would take Graham when they took Jerry.
     
  10. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    One of these names is not like the others, one of these names just doesn't belong.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Of course, Gates doesn't produce, "well he tried" thomas the worst rb in the nfl w/that many carries, "he showed flashes", of them, only Clay produced anything, and he was a late rd pick.

    Draft 2010 was bad, and it's parcells fault, why is it always something with him, why is he not accountable?
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    Mike Pouncey was very good this year.
     
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  13. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    Adrian was injured but you may be right about Chris Johnson but i would rather have those two backs then Thomas and the other back , not named Bush. I want a dad burn qb and a big tightend and a great #2 wr and you can have whoever you want .
     
  14. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    All the Dolphins did this year was beat a group of other bottom tier teams. They played three teams with winning records for the season and lost to each one of these teams. If you look at the teams the Dolphins actually beat in the second half of the season, you will quickly realize that beating these teams was no great feat at all.

    I am not ignoring the fact that there was a power structure in place when BP was with the team. I just realize that Ireland was hired four years ago to be the GM of this team. He was not hired to be Parcells yes man. I think it is dumb on your part to give him an out for the first three years and basically place all the blame on Parcells for all the bad draft picks and terrible free agent signings during those four years.

    I guess that 20-28 over the last three seasons and 6-10 this season against a very weak schedule, is enough for those of you who seem to be happy with Ireland as the teams GM.

    As far as the money I have spent on the Dolphins over the years, I never had a problem supporting the team financially when I thought that they were doing what was necessary to put a quality product on the field. Heck, I went to every single home game in 2007 when they were 1-15. My wife and I even traveled to London, England during the 2007 season to watch the Dolphins play the Giants.

    While I certainly wasn't happy with the results of the 2007 season, as a fan. At least Huizenza did not stick with a head coach who was clearly in over his head and he fired Cameron after just one season as the teams HC.

    I will admit that I was just as excited as most Dolphin fans when Huizenga signed Parcells to come in and take over the football operations of the organization. Based on his previous record as a HC, I thought this was a great hire at the time. I had no problem with Ireland and Sparano being hired in their positions by Parcells. Four years later, the Parcells era obviously hasn't worked out. I see Ireland as part of this failed regime and I think he deserves every bit as much of the blame for the Dolphins record over the last four years as Parcells and Sparano do.

    The fact that you want to blame everything on Parcells and Sparano and let Ireland off the hook is what I would consider, dumb.
     
  15. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Everyone wanted Graham there, expect, you know, the guy getting paid seven figures to make that call.
     
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  16. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I didn't, I wanted Navorro Bowman.
     
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  17. Stringer Bell

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    Giving Chad Henne a TE like that is equivalent to giving Helen Keller a Ferrari.
     
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  18. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I’m starting to appreciate Ross’ cojones. If he axed Ireland at the end of the season most logical people would give the new management team a year or two to turn things around. Keeping Ireland indicates to me that Ross expects to win now and believes Ireland is a better GM option than anyone else that is available. I’m not a big fan of Ireland but I have to assume Peterson has signed off on him as a good evaluator of NFL talent.

    I heard an interview the other day between Troy Stratford and Hank Goldberg. Hank was adamant that Fisher chose STL because he didn’t get the respect from Ross that he deserved. That leads me to believe that Ross wasn’t that impressed by Fisher at all. That’s a gutsy move considering how many Dolphins fans would have blindly renewed their season tickets with that signing.

    That puts a ton of pressure on Ireland. I just hope he’s up to the task.
     
  19. padre31

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    I recall that, I liked Bowman as well, and was stunned when we did not take Jimmy Graham, the reports from the Sr Bowl that yr were that Sparano and Co loved him
     
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  20. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    You have to have final say to be held accountable. Claiming he should have quit if he didn't agree with his boss is just ridiculous.
     
  21. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    So you think Ross kept Ireland, because Peterson signed off on it? Perhaps you have forgotten that this is the same person who was fired from the Kansas City Chiefs because he signed off on the coaching abilities of Herm Edwards. In fact the Chiefs are still trying to recover from the mess Peterson left the team in, talent wise.

    With Ireland and Peterson making decisions regarding regarding the future of the Dolphins, I feel like I am watching another sequel to Dumb and Dumber.
     
  22. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Oh really? I could have sworn Peterson was the GM in KC for 20 some odd years and made the playoffs in 9 of them. Must be a different guy I was thinking about. My bad.
     
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  23. finsincebirth

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    I think right now the Chiefs are trying to recover from the mess that Todd Haley has put them in.
     
  24. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Peterson was an excellent personnel director earlier in his career. Yet over the last ten years he was in charge of the Chiefs front officer, the Chiefs had a combined record of 75-85, with just two appearances in the playoffs during this ten year period. When he was finally fired after the 2008, the Chiefs were left with one of the least talented rosters in the entire NFL.

    The Dolphins have been 70-90 over the last ten years with one playoff appearance during this period. So basically, Peterson did just a little bit better with the Chiefs over his last ten years in the league than the Dolphins have done over this same time period.

    If you honestly think that a man who established a record over his last ten years in the league, which is very similar to the record of the Dolphins over this same period of time, is the right person to be giving Ross advise about rebuilding this team and selecting the next HC. You obviously have very low expectations for the Dolphins over the next decade.

    Not only was Peterson a below average personnel director in his last decade with the Chiefs, he also has not been actively involved in the NFL for over three years. If the advise of Peterson is the best Ross can do in rebuilding this franchise, that certainly doesn't bode well for the franchise going forward.
     
  25. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Obviously the owner of the Chiefs felt differently in 2008, when he fired Peterson from his position in the Chiefs organization.
     
  26. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Your hyperbole is showing.
     
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  27. Rhody Phins Fan

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    This analogy doesn't really work. Henne can use the TE although not very effectively. It isn't dangerous to give him a TE whereas it would be dangerous to give Helen Keller a Ferrari.

    A more accurate analogy would be "Giving Chad Henne a TE is like giving a slow driving grandmother a Ferrari." This works because neither Chad Henne nor the grandmother can fully take advantage of their "new toys."
     

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