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Do you like the Joe Philbin hiring?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jan 21, 2012.

Pleased with the Joe Philbin hiring?

Poll closed Jan 28, 2012.
  1. Yes, here is why

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  2. No, and here is why not

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  1. Ronnie Bass

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    Do I really need to pull the video of him explaining to the Dolphin fan club why he drafted Ted Ginn? Or his first and only season as a Dolphin HC? The worst season in Dolphin history. As a HC he was a goofball. But funnier yet is you want your opinion on Philbin to go unchallenged, but yet here you are challenging me on my opinion on Cameron.

    And I did tell you why your opinion is faulty, it has nothing to do with me disagreeing with you and everything with being shortsighted and unable to let go on who we didn't get, including McCoy, whose credentials pale in comparison to Philbin. And the same goes with Zimmer.
     
  2. Larry Little

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    Philbin has no head coaching experience on any level. His 'success' in Green Bay can easily be attributed to other things in the offense... namely the QBs he's had to work with. There is no reason whatsoever to assume he's going to be even average as a head coach, and any display optimism where this hire is concerned is, IMO, hopeful yet blind speculation.

    Philbin talks, walks, and looks like an assistant manager at TGI Friday's. It was an uninspired choice, and Ross continues to flounder as owner of the Dolphins with his failure to land a real NFL head coach. This is like having Tom Brady knocking at your door, then getting 'excited' when your team settles for Kyle Orton.

    Yippee... mediocrity again.


    EDIT: By the way... if you couldn't guess... do I like the Joe Philbin hiring? That would be an absolutely resounding... NO. :angry:
     
  3. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    So you're saying that being a first time head coach means you're destined to fail?
     
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  4. Section126

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    It is time to close ranks.

    If you are *****ing about this hiring..then you are an idiot.

    The most skeptical and hard *** Dolphin fan MUST be in a wait and see mode.

    and always remember...we can have a broken toaster be our head coach, as long as our QB play is good.

    Now..let's go get our passing game in order, and make coach Philbin a "genius".
     
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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    dont like it because i dont think we have the personnell to make a smooth transition and he's a complete boom or bust candidate. another rookie coach who will need time to figure out how to be a coach. i wouldve preferred an experienced coach who plays more smash mouth or if a passing coach one who prefers the coryell type of offense. i think by the time our offense gets the players he will need to run his type of offense our defense will start falling apart due to age and free agency

    not to say he couldnt succeed. i just think the odds are stacked against him. i would put it at 20% chance of success. we basically have to get flynn or RGIII now. henne cant run that offense like rogers did. he'll be sacked 10 times per game. same with moore. also we now have to revamp our offensive line for a fifth straight year and get smaller, quicker and better pass blocking linemen

    fisher, cowher and billick would have all been smooth transition coaches. philbin is a blow it up and start over coach
     
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  6. sws84

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    Ditto on what Trowa said!

    Steve :)
     
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  7. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Well, 'kay, it's like this.... when you get in front of, uuuuhhh, you guys, 'kay, and have to say things in the business, 'kay, like... it's hard to express the real thought's, y,know. I hope that this guy, a real hard worker, 'kay, learns how to talk in coach talk, right! He actually will have a hard time, y'know, unless he confuses everyone in....South Florida. 'kay.

    Say what you will, the clarity of expression indicates that there are mental processes behind the words coming out of the mouth, and that implies that the coach is thinking....not just responding off the top of his head... but actually thinking about what HE is about. I don't think his predecessor ever knew what he was about in the head coaching game.

    Now, from just what I have read thus far, and seen thus far, Philbin is far more capable of expressing what he is thinking in a clear, logical, and calm manner. At the same time, the content of what he is saying indicates that he knows a lot about the subject matter, and had given it some deep thought - and realizes one of the most important aspects of the game - teaching situational awareness. It appears to me, on first take, that he is capable of thinking on several different levels at once, and arriving at conclusions that are both tactical and strategic at the same time, and translating that into action. This I garner from the demeanor and language usage from the relatively little I have seen from him. Behind that balding, mild mannered face is a thinking mind capable of planning and executing the plan.... not just a reactive one. That alone should make a huge difference.

    I hope my initial observations are correct, as a fan, because I want the Dolphins to win the big one sometime before it's time for me to answer the final roll call.
     
  8. Sethdaddy8

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    Perhaps I'm short sighted. Perhaps you're blinded by hope. Time will tell who's opinion is "faulty."
     
  9. Miamian

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    Like I've said earlier, cautiously optimistic. I hope that he becomes the greatest coach in Dolphins history, but I'm not making any reservations for New Orleans just yet.
     
  10. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I like the hire. Of the three, I liked him the most.
     
  11. Georgia Fin

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    I had said before that I would be pleased with the Green Bay Packers Xerox machine so I have no choice but to consider this a major upgrade. All jokes aside I am very excited to see what we do in FA. I am still with Padre on signing Hillus, could you imagine him and Bush out of the backfield in a WCO. Regardless, even if Philbin turns out to not be the answer I thnk Ross ses him as the man who can at least address and hopefully resolve our QB situatuation. Overall, yes I am excited over the possibilities and the attitude he brings. Glad we are moving forward in a new direction and am sorry we didn't do it last year when we started it. It's hard to keep the Band Aid on once you start to peel it off.
     
  12. Fin D

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    Here's why I liked the hire:

    1. He was the best of all we had available to us. Cowher or Gruden would have been nice, but so would a young Shula or an alive Bill Walsh. Cowher & Gruden weren't coming this year to us or anyone else. This had nothing to do with Ireland, nothing to do with Ross. They are not unretiring this year. Plan and simple. If anyone blames not landing Cowher or Gruden on Ross not getting his man, then that person is biased and basing their opinion on their hate and not logic or facts.

    Fisher is an overrated coach. People can blame Bud Adams all they want but Jack Pardee & Jerry Glanville put together more impressive records right before Fisher. With the same owner. Why didn't Bud Adams sucktitude affect these two coaches like it did with Fisher? It didn't. Fisher is overrated and nothing more than what his record says...average. Even if you don't subscribe to him being average because...who knows, you can't argue he was a conservative coach. His philosophy to a successful football team is the same as Wanny's. Which was the right way before, but not anymore. In fact, the right way has been displayed by the Pats, the Saints and none other than the most recent SB winner....Green Bay.

    2. Philbin has won everywhere he has been. He was so good at his job, not only was he retained from the old staff by the current GB staff when they came in, but the new HC, who was an OC, promoted him to the position, where Philbin essentially told the HC what plays he was going to call.

    3. While he was crafting the gameplans for GB, they scored more points and committed fewer TOs than any other 4 year period in GB's history. That's significant considering the history of GB. In 4 years, they won a SB and amassed a 15-1 season. Now who is the main person to blame for GB's success on offense? McCarthy? He calls the plays. However, he was the worst OC in the NFL when he was hired and he doesn't create the gameplan anymore. Rodgers? He is a great QB. When he was hurt however, Flynn came right in and broke single game records. That has to have something to do the gameplan. Also, its no surprise, that the week to put together the gameplan for the Giants, Philbin wasn't there because of his son...and they lost.

    4. From everything I've heard and read, Philbin is a teacher. Even the press conference yesterday, he wasn't giving the "we're gonna give 110% on the field" stuff. He explained the things he intends to do to correct the team. Seth disagrees, but Seth also thinks New Jersey is awesome.

    5. I love his demeanor. He is calm, thoughtful, well spoken and projects being the smartest person in the room. He is in the mold of Bill Walsh or Tony Dungy which we've never had here. He doesn't over use "relative", he isn't constantly saying, "kay". He doesn't appear to use catch phrases like, "fail forward fast" or put up a lobster traps in the locker room. He also doesn't look like he's terrified of every question he gets like Wanny. Also, the ability to keep it together when the media was asking him about the 2 week old death of his son, proves he has rock solid resolve.
     
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  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the right way has not been displayed by the packers and saints but rather the giants and steelers, two teams we were much closer too then the three you mentioned. the pack, saints and you might as well throw in the colts are all one year wonders. one appearance and done. all knocked out by strong defensive teams. the patriots havent been relevant since their defense has turned to crap which is about six years or so (yeah i know, almost undefeated but i still hate them so go to hell). the steelers have been in three SBs since the patriots last won one. now both the giants and pats have a chance to return. we'll see about the pats. they could regain their relevance by winning a 4th SB. If the Giants do I think it will prove that the Giants and Steelers blueprint is infinitely superior
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Lol. Yeah, the great defenses have won all the SBs. Sigh.
     
  15. Dolphin Don

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    I agree, Cam Cameron came across as someone trying to impress/dazzle with fancy phrases like fail forward fast and as time passed everyone could see he was in a situation he didn't have the skills to handle and hid behind those catch phrases.

    Joe Philbin who i didn't really had any idea about came across as someone who is calm, genuine, assertive, had command of the room and as someone who has a plan.

    He's our head coach now, i feel much better after listening to him. I think we're in good hands. :)
     
  16. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the one dimensional teams always lose to the two dimensional or three dimensional teams and thats what the colts, packers, saints and pats were. all passing offense, no run gm, no defense. giants and steelers could run, pass and play defense. they will always beat the ping pong offensive teams
     
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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I like him because we go to the same barber.
     
  18. khend_98

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    All of the Cowhers? :lol:
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Before they were hired to their current jobs, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh, Ken Whisenhunt, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton, Jim Schwartz, Gary Kubiak, Mike Munchak, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Andy Reid, and Mike Smith never had any head coaching experience at any level.

    EDIT:
    Before he became head coach of the Packers, Vince Lombardi had never been a head coach at any level. Same with Chuck Noll when the Steelers hired him. Same as Bill Cowher when the Steelers hired him. Same as John Madden when he took over as head coach of the Raiders.
     
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  20. Fin D

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    Your point is wrong.

    2011: GB beat Pitt Offense beats Defense
    2010: Saints beat Colts Offense vs. Offense
    2009: Pitt beat Arizona Defense beats Offense
    2008: Giants beat Pats Defense beats the Offense
    2007: Colts beat Bears Offense beats Defense
    2006: Pitt beats Seattle Defense beats Offense
    2005: Pats beat Philly Offense beats Defense
    2004: Pats beat Panthers Offense beats Defense
    2003: Bucs beat Raiders Defense beat Offense
    2002: Pats beat Rams Offense vs Offense
    2001: Ravens beat Giants Defense beats Defense
    2000: Rams beat Titans Offense beats Fisher's defense

    Out of 24 Teams:

    7 offensive teams have won
    5 defensive teams have won
    13 offensive teams have gone to the SB
    11 defensive teams have gone to the SB
    0 have won with Fisher as HC

    Further more, out of all of those teams:
    14 of them had franchise QB's. As you may or may not know, QBs are on offense.

    Pitt & Giants couldn't win crap until Big Ben & Manning...both on? The offense.
     
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  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    only a closet patriots fan would go back to 2000. from 2002 to 2005 football didnt count. everyone knows you only go back six years to the post patriots years. 50/50 (3-3) and when the giants win it this year it will be 4-3 because we will extend it to 7 years. let this year decide which is the better route. the best offense ( the patriots) or the best defenses (ravens, giants, 49ers)


    and fisher was 1 friggin yd away. passing offense won by one yard. thats another reason i hate ross. you know fisher hated the rams. how difficult could it have been to say if you come to miami you might actually get a chance at revenge on st louis. but going to st louis?
     
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  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Oh sure, let's make up parameters.

    I took a real sample. And I added to my last post, that your precious Giants & Steelers, couldn't win diddly until they each got...get this...QBs.
     
  23. adamprez2003

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    well you have to pass but if you have a defense you might actually..... wait for it.....wait......get there more than once
     
  24. JMHPhin

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    Philbin is like Cameron in that he isnt an in your face screamer. Philbin said they would be demanding but not demeaning, that they will focus on fundaentals and details. Cameron wanted to fail forward fast, ie he wanted to fail as through failure comes success. well he failed, but success didnt come. Cameron was not respected. Cameron could not garner respect. Maybe Philbin wont but from EVERYTHIN AND EVERYONE that doesnt seem like an issue with Philbin.

    Oh and yes I like the hire. I like how Philbin commands the room. he doesnt do thru bravado speech, he does it thru sheer knowing what he is speaking of. The kind of guy that when you talk to him, he is teh smartest guy in teh room, but he doesnt make you feel stupid, he makes you want to be around him and learn from him
     
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  25. Fin D

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    Like the Rams, Colts & Pats?
     
  26. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you have a point for three more weeks. if the giants win this thing i have the edge in this debate. repeat SBs within a five year period are what matters and its what i meant but you're right i just said get there. by get there i meant the trophy stand. if the pats win, the offensive route is the way to go. and if the 49ers or ravens win its still 50/50
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I guess we'll see.

    What cannot be denied is the need for a franchise QB and franchise QB's are on offense. Philbin's offense has had more SB success then Fisher's defense.
     
  28. PHINANALYST

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    in think we all knew that Philbin was Ross' man ... so to go in another direction (if even desired) would have been a huge challenge for Ireland. Especially, after watching the success of the last potential coach that Ross wanted ...

    we'll see how it goes ... i'll take whomever replaces Fat Tony, and give them 2 years to make a difference.

    selfishly, i will remain a defense oriented fan .... but know and appreciate how important having an offense with 'scorability' is!

    in that respect, i'd have preferred a defensive minded HC, smart enough to hire a young brilliant OC.

    so, my 3 biggest questions for him are:

    1- what are his plans at QB ....

    2- does he view this defense as 'good enough' or is he willing to invest in it to carry the offense until it can acquire the talent and mature (read NYG)

    3- how important does he view the OL ... as GBs OL has not been spectacular, and would fail miserably if not for the mobility of Rodgers ... this must go hand-in-hand with his QB plans.

    there are other questions ... but those are the most relevant to me ...
     
  29. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    pass rushers and qbs. you dont need that top tier of peyton, rodgers or brady. but you do need a top twelve qb. not sure if you can win with someone worse than phillip rivers or schaub unless you have a crazy defense
     
  30. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The one thing about Philbin that does cause me some concern is his role in Green Bay. He didn't call the actual plays, he developed the game plan and Mike McCarthy called the plays. Now that has its good points and bad points.

    On the good side of things, it demonstrates he is a strategist. Football in my opinion is really nothing more than a chess match between coaches with the players on the field executing the "moves" by the coaches. Philbin has demonstrated the ability to design strategy that has resulted in success in Green Bay but...

    He's not been the on actually executing the chess match. He's not made the actual moves. So what will this say when he's on the sidelines? Will he actually call the plays or rely heavily on his offensive coordinator to call the plays?

    I'm optimistic. Head coaches generally make strategic decisions on the sideline and delegate the actual play calling to the coordinators upstairs in the booth or down on the sidelines. So Philbin's actual success is going to be determined by the performance of our offensive/defensive coordinators. I think the difference though between Philbin and every other coach we've had since Don Shula's retirement is Philbin has demonstrated an ability to effectively analyze an opponent and develop a successful game plan. Every other coach, for the most part, has faced opponents shooting from the hip, relying on their ego to counter our opponents in the spur of the moment rather than the big scheme of the game.

    And for those trying to compare Philbin to Cam Cameron I'd like to offer this one tidbit. Cameron was given only one season in Miami before being fired by Parcells following his first season as head coach. What if Jerry Jones had fired Jimmy Johnson after his inaugural season in Dallas going 1-15, would Dallas have had the Super Bowl runs they had? Am I saying Cam Cameron was a Jimmy Johnson? No, but then again, he was never really given the chance.

    For those expecting instant success with "Dr Phil" (I think I like that :up: ), you better get grounded right quick and in a hurry.
    -This will be the 3rd offense in 3 years the offense will have to learn
    -We'll have a new defensive coordinator, resulting in another defense the team will have to learn.
    -Undoubtedly we'll have yet ANOTHER QB leading the offense, so leadership and chemistry will take time to develop.

    Unlike some, I don't want "instant" success. I want "LONG TERM" success. I don't want a repeat of the Miami Dolphins 2008 season and forward. I don't want an instant surge of success followed by medicotrity. I want a repeat of the Miami Dolphins 1970 season...success and continued success that followed resulting in Super Bowl Championships.
     
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  31. pumpdogs

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    Simple yes.
     
  32. Ronnie Bass

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    TDK, the other day when Philbin was hired McCarthy said if Philbin said to him he'd stay if he can call the plays McCarthy would let him in a heartbeat. He never had reservations letting Philbin call plays.
     
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  33. Mcduffie81

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    The Giants offense is pretty damn good. Don't forget that.

    I'm excited for the sheer fact that if we're going to go 8-8 or 7-9 per usual, at least the game will be exciting with a new style of offense.
     
  34. Aquafin

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    damn Trowa that was your best post of all your post. I must be losing my mind. but i agree with you on the offense being outdated . as for the Philbin hire I love it because I feel that he has the it factor something the last two coaches never had.
     
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  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That doesn't concern me at all. I want the architect as my head coach, rather than the playcaller.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Also the Patriots offense wasn't too impressive when they were winning superbowls.
     
  37. I am taking a wait and see approach. The only hire I absolutely hated when it was announced was JJ. All the others I drank the koolaid with and I ain't doing it this time. The guy seems like a good coach but I want to see it translated out on the field. I want to see where this team is improving every week and every season in what they are trying to do and I want to hear some straight answers from him when he is standing at the podium during pressers. I'll tell you if I like the direction this hire is taking us after I see something more then his presser saying he was hired to come here and build a winning foundation.
     
  38. Larry Little

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    Did I say that? No. Read my post again. Please do not put words into my mouth.
     
  39. Larry Little

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    'Ad Hominem attack.' Look it up. It makes YOU look like an idiot. I don't appreciate being called an 'idiot' with some ridiculous blanket statement. Grow up.

    As far as the actual subject I commented on... the Rams have a real NFL head coach now. The Dolphins do not. Keep a close eye on them. Watch what happens.
     
  40. Larry Little

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    I'm not sure how this is a positive. All this shows is that the franchise... once again... settled for less than the best. The results they get will likely be the same results they've always gotten, which is mediocrity.

    Fisher is not an overrated coach. So, there.

    Nice. Glanville was the head coach of the Oilers for exactly 3 years. Pardee for 4 years. That's how you conclude that Bud Adams isn't a terrible owner? Who did they have at QB? How good were the teams in their division? Come on, man...

    Fisher has the same basic philosophy as Pittsburgh and Baltimore, who have also had great success lately. It is so funny to me when people insist that teams simply must have that 'wide-open' offense to be successful in the NFL, and it is the only possible way to win. I completely disagree. Look at last week... the Giants beat the Packers. How? Not by out-scoring them offensively, but by playing sound defense and holding that offense to only 20 points.

    He's won everywhere he's been... as an assistant coach? That could simply mean he's been a part of good organizations. Unless you're a head coach or a quarterback, I think you'd just be a cog in the machine. That's why winning percentage never comes up when people discuss tight ends, guards, cornerbacks, special teams coaches or offensive coordinators. Even if his teams all went undefeated, it might only mean that he was a great OC. It would not be any sort of indicator whatsoever that he was a qualified head coach.

    I don't know where to begin with this. I'll just say that if you think Green Bay's offensive success has nothing to do with Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, and everything to do with Joe Philbin... you got a screw loose.

    I thought his speech was nothing more than a collection of cliche's. That's just my opinion.

    I don't give a crap about Philbin's demeanor. I really liked Tony Sparano as a person. I enjoyed his press conferences. I learned a lot from them. Bill Belichick, in my opinion, is the best head coach in the NFL. I think he's terrible in press conferences. It simply does not matter.

    And by the way, I disagree about Philbin's press conference. I thought it was scripted, cliche', and uninspiring. That's just my opinion.
     

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