Like I thought, you can't actually touch the logic and fact in that post so you resort to the above, which is no substance at all. For example, are you really saying the Saints were known more for their D than their O the year they won...really? First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes Sethy Fisher in a baby carriage....
Whatchu mean? Greenbay iz awezum. They offense is awezum. So Philbin be awezum. And his presser rawked!
Sure, if that's what it takes. What I really don't get is if you and Seth are so sure that Philbin is a failure and that this coming season is a lost season (while the current season isn't even over yet) and that Ross is a failure of an owner and that Ireland is intentionally sabotaging his own team....why not just go find another team to cheer for? I can't imagine that it's fun constantly being negative and pessimistic about your team. I know you don't agree with the hiring, and it's your right to do so, but this has just gotten ridiculous. You're making up excuses to not be happy...what kind of existence is that to live?
As much as I disagree with Seth & LL (because they are wrong), let's make a pact going forward that we don't question each other's fandom. I'm quite sure they love the Dolphin as much as you do, they just see the situation differently. I've been screwing with Seth, but he knows I'm screwing with him for laughs. I'm not gonna question his fandom though or LL's....there lack of reasoning and blind Fisher love? Oh yeah, that I question but not their fandom.
You just keep proving you got no logic reason to dislike Philbin, all you got is bitterness and pettiness.
Of course there are no facts to support him being a good HC simply because he hasn't been one yet. Your logic is the worst I have seen here in a while. How can you judge and immediately dismiss something that hasn't happened yet. Unless you are playing with your Magic 8-Ball. The only so called fact you have that he won't be good is because other rookie HC's haven't worked out here which absolutely proves not a damn thing. If you are going to post about facts please have some.
I wasn't questioning anyone's fandom. I'm just asking why someone would want to be a fan of a team if they're constantly going to rag on the team, be pessimistic and negative about the team.
Lol... You got no logic! Here's the difference between us. You like the hire and think Philbs will succeed. I'm skeptical and think other guys may have done a better job. I need to be won over yet. You and the 30 to 1 part of that ratio are already won over. The rest is just debating and pissing contests. No one is losing sleep, no ones feelings are getting hurt. We're arguing opinions to a 2 answer question.
The question to this poll is "Do you like the Joe Philbin hiring?", not "Do you think he will succeed?". Where are you getting confused? You don't like him because who he is not, you can sit there and say that's not true, but then you wouldn't be disrespecting him by calling him "Regis" again and again.
His nickname shall be Regis. Is it so hard to make the enormous leap??? Do you like the hire and why??? It's ALL ABOUT whether he will succeed. You really can't connect those simple dots?
IMO, he was not. No. Ross sucks because of what he's done/not done. Specifically Harbaugh/Sparano and Ireland/Fisher. No one could possibly argue that Ross did not embarrass the franchise with how he famously bungled the Harbaugh situation. I think he's bungled it again by letting the best head coaching candidate since Shula get away. We shall see who is right, and who is wrong. Fisher was a good coach because he won in a tough division, won with mediocre players, and won despite working for an owner who was a category-5 numbskull. 11-7 head-to-head vs Cowher's Steelers. All three phases are important, IMO. And, 'stellar?' In exactly which season was Kerry Collins 'stellar' with the Titans? I think your definition of 'stellar' might be skewed by being a Dolphins fan for so long. When did I say no record counts? Of course it does. However, you cannot just gloss-over a win/loss record and pretend to know all there is to know about it. I simply believe that stats often do not tell the entire story. In the case of Fisher's overall coaching record, it absolutely does not. A lot of success a head coach has comes down to getting the right assistants, and the right QB, and that doesn't matter who the coach is. However, having a great head coach in place certainly improves your chances. And, I'll tell you when it ends... it likely ends with the Rams becoming a successful franchise, and the Phins coughing on the dust of the Patriots for the next... decade? I don't know when Bellichick might retire. Riiiight. Huh? What does this have to do with being a head coach? I can explain to you exactly how basic elements are formed in stars... but, it doesn't automatically qualify me for a leadership position at NASA. And?
17 years I watched Fisher. I went to games. I watched that team very closely. For you to poo-poo on my level of experience and knowledge on this subject is very, very telling.
That's all good, just don't lecture anyone again when they call Cameron a goofball. Otherwise you are being a hypocrite. I like the hire and I have given numerous reasons why tenfold, but I have no idea if he will succeed like I have no idea if Jeff Fisher would have or even Cowher if it was him, after JJ and Saban I have realized it's near impossible to know what lies in the future. But I will say I like what I see from Philbin and put a gun to my head I will go with yes he will.
Because he works with, and respects, his entire team of people. He involves his coaches, his GM, his scouts, and himself in ALL personnel decisions, and he doesn't take advantage of it. He knows his own limitations. But, hey... what do I know? I've only watched him closely for 17 years. You saw his coaching record once. You'd know more than I.
I'd like to continue this discussion with you, however, you seemed to not remember the things you said that I responded too. For example, when you say: as a reply to which was a reply to you saying: It illustrates that you're lost in an argument you started. Find your direction again, and let me know and we'll pick it up after my last post to you.
If you would provide knowledge and experience instead of....whatever it is you've been spilling all over this thread perhaps we would take it seriously. As it stands, and I say this with all due respect, you sound like a bitter child who's going to take his ball and go home because he's not happy with the way something happened. You make wild assumptions, you judge Philbin by one set of criteria that doesn't seem to apply when you judge Fisher, and you dismiss any facts that anyone presents to you. I know that the majority of what he have to be optimistic about Philbin about is mostly speculation and second hand information from players and coaches who have worked for him, but at least we acknowledge that instead of trying to decree that what we say is fact simply because we said it.
None of that means he should have personnel control. You also have no idea who Ireland includes. Hell, many of the questionable lineman taken are known to be Sparano moves. Besides, if that's all it takes to have personnel control in the NFL, then I guess you wanted Philbin to have it too.
How many is that now for you? Four? Five? I'm losing count. 'With all due respect', huh? I do not think that phrase means what you think it means, because you follow this up with... Yet another underhanded, 'disrespectful' comment. Six? You just can't help yourself, can you? I know. Perhaps I'd get my point across better if I referred to the rest of you as 'little kid', 'childish', 'woman', 'mother', or 'idiot', like you've done to me. Just curious... what wild assumptions have I made? What criteria am I judging Philbin on that I'm ignoring when it comes to Fisher? I'm genuinely curious. If I'm being foolish, don't just call me a 'fool'... show me my foolish ways. I'm all ears.
That's all good. What the thread is about. You're opinion. And I will lecture or defend any point. That is why it's a message board. I think you are silly for calling me bitter or angry...all i am is an opposing view. You pro hire choice guys seem super defensive, self-righteous, and out on a total witch hunt.
I would not give Philbin personnel control. The reason for that is, he has not earned it. He's never been a head coach before. His experience seems to be running an offense. Fisher's experience... VAST experience... is of running an entire team. Can you not see the difference there?
Like I said you are bitter because you didn't get your precious "savior" and you're a hypocrite. You should have left you post as it was instead of editing it, I can do this all day.
Nah, I totally made the right call editing. You calling me a hypocrite means less than nothing. It amuses me actually so thank you. Keep calling and names and adjectives. I'm shocked you're not calling me ignorant or using other 3 syllable words you really don't comprehend. Don't like the hire. But I'll be there next September hoping we win just as much as you fellow fin fan.
Believe me, I'm not surprised it wouldn't bother you, tools are like that. And I'm pretty sure what to expect from you in September, the first time time Philbin does something questionable you will be on your soapbox saying "I told you do". Him succeeding will kill you. That's right.
But that's what I don't understand. You claim to KNOW that Philbin is a failure. And you claim to KNOW that Ireland can't find talent. And you claim to KNOW that Ross is a terrible owner. And you claim to KNOW that this is going to be repeat of the 07 season. So what's the point of showing up and hoping we win if you already know all these things to be a fact?
I am optimistic, I am glad that we didn't go for the hot co-ordinator or high profile retread. From his presser he sounds very organised, and displays the ability to think well on his feet and adapt to what is presented to him. He may not have called plays for the Packers but I don't necessarily think that is an issue, if he designed the Packer's Offense I can bet he had a hand what was being called based upon what he was seeing within the game and that is a necessary feature in most team situations where the OC calls the plays but the HC needs to have an understanding of what is happening. The next step is to see what staff he can bring in and how they get the most of what players he has in place and work well with Ireland to bring in the next pieces. More at peace this offseason going forward than I have been in a very long time.
I love your name calling and insults. You're like the message board's don rickles. And not surprisingly, you are wrong. You think I'm going to remember an Internet nobody such as yourself? Are you nuts? You think in 8 months I will have any recollection of who RonnieBase, or Thrower or anyone else is, other than Fin D, cause I'm his biological father? I will be lauding all good moves by Philbin and lashing out against the bad ones with no thought otherwise. Gods, by Tuesday I'll probably be thanking your posts in other threads.
No no no, Fin D KNOWS. I "think". I have an opinion. I think Ross keeping Ireland lead us to Philbin and it's bad stuff. I hope I'm wrong. I THINK this "resembles" the camcam hire. You guys are not alright with my freedom of thought for some reason.
Do I really need to post the history of every Cam Cameron and Tony Sparano out there? You must know the success rate of new head coaches is not good. If you don't... oh, well.
Thank You! I love Don Rickles! He was great in Casino, so if you are looking to insult me, gotta do better than that man. And I highly doubt you can be Fin D's biological father, for one you need to be a male for that to have happen.
