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How much difference can he make? Manning in Miami.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    ^This

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    ^This.

    I think we would be moving sideways at best with Peyton. He would have to learn a new system and learn new receivers and OL. That in itself will take a year or two.
     
  2. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Manning hasn't shown signs of starting to slip unless you're looking at the last game he played in the Pro Bowl. He had a 108.7 rating against the Jets in the playoffs.
     
  3. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Once again your comprehension is lacking.
    I never once compared their talent.
     
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  4. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    It could easily happen to any player in the NFL.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Everett
     
  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    What about the pick six he threw in the SB. He doesn't look the field like he used to. It's obvious.
    That is when I noticed Marino was in a tailspin. When he struggled to see the field completely.
     
  6. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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  7. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The question isn't whether Manning can come back and play, it's "If he can, would you want him?"

    I'm not a doctor, so I can only speculate, like everyone else, what his chances of returning are. But if he's cleared, I think it's still a no-brainer for the Dolphins to have serious interest.
     
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  8. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Did you just go back another year with his 1 interception in the SB? He finished the following season with a 91.9 rating and another 2 to 1 TD-INT ratio.

    Marino's final season he had 12 TD's, 17 int's, 55.3% completion % and a 67.4 rating. Not even close.
     
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  9. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    So one play from one game means he can't see the field like he used to? Again, look at Peyton's 2010 numbers.
     
  10. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    I know who Trent Green is. There's no connection there.
     
  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    All hell just watch Manning. You can tell he is not the same QB he used to be. Now he is trying to come back from a major neck injury
    There is too much risk with this guy just like there was with Dumbpepper.
    I would love to have a healthy young Manning but that's water under the bridge man.
     
  12. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Sure there is. He had the same god damn injury that he suffered previously. Ended his career.
    You don't think the odds are greater that it could happen a second time. You funny man.
     
  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Peyton is arguably the most cerebral QB the game has ever seen. I highly doubt it would take him a year or two to learn ANY system. Brett Favre learned Minnesota's system pretty fast, didn't he?
     
  14. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I have a good friend who is a Colts season ticket holder. We had this talk and he agrees and I know damn well from reading your stuff here that he knows a hell of alot more about what is going on with Manning and this situation than you ever will.
     
  15. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    See Tom Brady. Torn ACL. Playing in Super Bowl now.
     
  16. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I have talked to doctors and we have KB here who is also a doctor. They all say at best it's a long shot. As for your question, I would want him if he could come back and play anywhere close to what he was before. But being cleared to play does not mean he comes back at a previous level. In my example above, Marino was cleared to play and didn't even have the strength to throw it away (after missing two weeks IIRC). Manning is reportedly suffering from lack of strength in his hand and arm. And he still can't guarantee he'll play in 2012 after being out all of 2011.
     
  17. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    I watched Peyton play and I've backed it up with stats.
     
  18. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Not even the same level. Cullpeper at 100% and in his prime couldn't hold Peytons Jock. I want Flynn but if Peyton is cleared and able to play and passes a physical I would do this for 2-3 years in a heartbeat. He would straighten out this teams lack of leadership in a heartbeat and set the tone for a winning franchise.
     
  19. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    If Peyton is healthy why the hell not?? I know everybody right now is yearning for Matt Flynn, but lets really look at that statement in context.
    If somebody told you at the beginning of last season the colts should trade Peyton for Matt Flynn, you would laugh at them, and probably smack them in the head. Fact of the matter is we could do what the Colts failed to do, draft some talent in the next 3 years to sit behind Peyton and learn. We could create our own Aaron Rodgers. On top of everything else, just take in the thought that we could get Reggie Wayne as well as Peyton and Marshall and who can stop this team??

    You would have to put some protection into the contract, make his salary contingent on the number of games that he plays.
     
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  20. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Manning and Culpepper were both Co-MVPs of the league the same year. So clearly they were close enough at least one year where the league couldn't decide between them on an MVP. Now, I don't agree with the analogy b/c Manning has been good for so long and was still good up until the injury. I see the Marino comparison as more on point. Both were in the conversation for best ever, both were still performing at a high level prior to neck/nerve injuries at about the same age. (league averages were lower then so Marino's 80 rating was similar to what a 90 rating is now) The Marino we got back after a much less severe injury was a 67 rated QB. That was a Marino who was cleared to play. Would anybody be banging the drum for a 67 rated passer named Manning simply on the basis that he was cleared to play?
     
  21. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    I respectfully disagree that we don't fit the bill. I think w/ our solid defense, and offensive weapons already in place (and presuming we fix the right side of the line), we're right there w/ the best in the AFC, and I would fully expect us to compete for the conference championship. Of course, if Manning is fully healthy.
     
  22. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Possible but I am assuming that Peyton would not want to take a gamble on a first time coach new scheme WCO and all the other things going around in Miami. He might be looking for chance with an established team or someone on the verge. Arizona, Seattle might be destinations were not hearing about as well.
     
  23. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Huh?
     
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  24. Califin

    Califin Well-Known Member

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    Frankly, I couldn't think of a better scenario for Peyton to step into, health notwithstanding.
    A year to learn the offense? Manning is almost like having a OC on the field.
    I suspect it would be more like how long it would take our players to learn Peytons offense.
     
  25. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I am saying there are other teams that would be interested and need a solid QB that would probably involved in bidding for him if it goes that route. Those are two Teams that would benefit from his services..
     
  26. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Another thing to consider:

    Does anyone really, want to risk, the potential of having both Brady and Manning on AFC East Teams? 4 Games a season for the next 2-3 years....think about that. That scares the hell out of me. If Manning says he is healthy...and is a FA. You CANNOT...CANNOT...CANNOT...allow him to go the Jets.
     
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  27. Finfangirl

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    what you guys arent taking into consideration is that Peyton is a stand up guy and if he isnt 100% he ISNT going to take money from anyone.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    No offense...but we have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl with Tim Tebow next season....then seeing Manning play and have a 67 passer rating. Wont happen.
     
  29. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    As well....

    I might be going out on a limb here....but does anyone thing Philbin is going to design a new offense and have Peyton Manning try to learn it? If Manning is here......they will build around him. They will put on offense on the field that he is comfortable with. A Peyton Manning offense.
     
  30. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing that if I had asked you this question in '99 you would have said something similar about the chances of Marino playing and having a 67 rating.
     
  31. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Marino was also 38 years old and could barely move, nor did he have anywhere near the offensive weapons Peyton would have here. Marino's leading receiver that year was Tony Martin (who shockingly had 1,000 yards that season)
     
  32. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Too funny.... I mention how the situation sort of reminds me of Culpepper and the board blows a gasket. :lol:
    Like I said I had a in depth convo with a die hard Colts fan and he agreed with me that Manning is not the same QB he used to be.
    We also agreed he is a huge risk at this point.
     
  33. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    He could have had Jerry Rice in his prime. Marino was simply not a good QB then. He was good a year before, the only major difference was the neck/nerve injury.
     
  34. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, I'd be all for bringing Manning in, but the chatter you hear is just chatter. A bunch of other things have to happen for that to happen.

    First, and foremost, Peyton has to be healthy. Everything else is moot if he's not.

    Second, if he's not yet healthy, Irsay and Manning have to agree to push back the drop dead date on the current contract bonus.

    Third, if he is healthy, Irsay has to decide whether to keep him or release him. It's being reported that's not a GM decision, but Irsay's decision. This has to be done in a very positive PR light or he'll suffer the wrath of the fan base, again.....still....whatever.

    Fourth, assuming he's released, Peyton has to WANT to come here. Does he want to face Ryan's D and the pasties 2 times a year for the next 3 ys ?

    Fifth, if released, the jests and several other teams will do what it takes to get his services...it'll be really tough to fit him into the cap and still acquire the added pieces we need right now, minus the QB position.

    Sixth, assuming he's released, can he or does he want to adjust to Philbin's offense versus the one he's played in his whole career ?? They are not the same. Elements of it are, but there are a lot of differences in route patterns, language, keys, etc...

    Seventh, assuming he's released, does Philbin really want to change and adapt his O for Manning's skillset ? If he changes it for Manning and he re-injures the neck, Moore can't do the things that Manning could do. The O would have to be changed/adjusted midstream to account for those skills that Moore doesn't have that Peyton does...

    Don't get me wrong, I think it would be a great move, provided he's healthy, but there are some things that could get into the way of it...Some things that have to be figured out and he really would have to want to come here.
     
  35. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    That is an excellent point that nobody is really considering.

    That said, if he is healthy, I think he'll go to a place that has a chance to win immediately w/ the current roster in place. And among those handful of teams, he'll go to the one offering the most money. I mean, is there an endorsement the guy hasn't turned down? Clearly, among other things, he's motivated by the almighty dollar. Let's hope, if he is healthy, Ross doesn't suddenly become cheap. I'm guessing, Ross would spend whatever it took to be the top bidder. Would immediately change the direction of this franchise.

    For at least three years.
     
  36. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Marino was in the same situation (except the injury was less severe) and he felt he could play. Unless you believe that Marino was not a stand up guy, I see the situation as analogous. I think you're seeing that competitive drive that Marino had in Manning when he says he doesn't plan to retire. But at the same time you're seeing Manning admit that he's not sure he'll play in 2012.
     
  37. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Let's make it about paying a whole bunch of money, totally ****ing up your cap and then he gets injured again and poops the bed.
    That is what could very well happen. It's not a risk that is worth it IMO.
    The only one making it about me is you.

    I thought you were head over heels in love with Matt More.
    Your opinions are shady bro.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He would have two games where he could have over 500 yards passing
     
  39. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    i believe if his brother wins another SB ... Peyton will want to do likewise -- he is an ultimate competitor. So if he is 'cleared' which is an elusive term NOT associated with 100% healthy ... he will likely play again.

    the ultimate question is simply this ... IF he were truly healthy, AND he was a stand-up guy ... how could he not return to IND. Really, folks are inferring that both are true -- he's a great guy ... would never lie, etc, etc, etc ... it is very, very rare that anyone is that honorable when you are talking that much $$$$$$$$. it is very realistic for him to be 'cleared', and either IND or another team pays him gobbs of $$$$ - he gives it a try, and always has the out -- 'well, i gave it a go' ... his $$$ will be guaranteed (unless he truly shows himself to be a stand-up guy).

    Assuming that he is 100% percent healthy and is guaranteed to play at the level he left at (perceived however you view it); many teams to include ours would love to have his services for up to 3 years -- but we are talking about his neck (and spine) ... very, very different from a shoulder or knee .... there isn't a more risky area in a violent game than the spine ...
     
  40. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    I have to disagree with this after reading some of the posts in this forum.
     

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