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How much difference can he make? Manning in Miami.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    If he can throw he'll think he is 100%. Players don't listen to their bodies until they are beyond beat up.
     
  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    The Dolphins certainly want to go after Manning.
    I'm also sure that 90% of this board will blame Jeff Ireland if Manning doesn't heal or chooses a different destination. :up:
     
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  3. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Thats true. Its the M.O. around here. I cant believe you`re getting reamed for comparing the situation to Culpepper. You never said you`re comparing their talent just the actual SITUATION. If anyone is going to bash you for your posts,it`ll be me. :wink2: But,not this time.
     
  4. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :shifty: :lol:
     
  5. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    amen buddy i cant turn it down and beside they say he is feeling really good and the last thing Miami need is for Peyton to go to the jets or bills we are unrespected at qb the other option is Trade down to the 29 th spot and get some more draft picks and take Weeden who is as close to Marino and Peyton in play calling as we are going to find. Flynn I am not sold on him yet but I can agree that we ought get him though. So I have Peyton Manning, Brandon Weeden , Matt flynn and Brady Quinn on my list.
     
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  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Never disappoints.
     
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  7. finserg

    finserg Well-Known Member

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    He already said he will not be happy if they use the tag on him ,anything possible
     
  8. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    If he is healthy, and we make some right choices in the offseason (get him another WR weapon, a RT, and supplement the Defense) we can win the Super Bowl....NEXT YEAR.

    and yes, I am serious, we can go from 6-10 to parading around town with a lombardi.
     
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  9. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Yes if they add another pass rusher, a competent MLB, and draft DeCastro on the OL they can beat anyone. That's all it's really about. Can you beat the best again and again.
     
  10. PhinsPhan23

    PhinsPhan23 New Member

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    Figured I would chime in, see my responses/opinions to each of your steps.

    I think the biggest obstacles are the health and trying to pursuade him to come year over NY. Other then that, everything can get worked out.
     
  11. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I think the biggest obstacle is that the health will be an unknown. It won't matter if he's cleared to play or if he believes he's okay. We'll probably miss out on Flynn long before we have any idea if Manning can even play this year. Now, I hope we would draft Tannehill or Weedon in the first regardless. IMO if Manning does sign with any team, the odds strongly favor him either never playing or not playing well.
     
  12. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    He has had 2 vertebrae fused together, but if he's healthy then maybe...There are a lot more lasting options just in terms of age. Flynn is intriguing, RGIII is a weapon, blah, blah
     
  13. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I think he was joking that some people here are braindead already. Kind of mean lol
     
  14. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    To be fair neither Dante Culpepper or Chad Pennington ever was and never will be as good as Manning even at his age now. Dante was at one point a top QB but injuries along with the loss of Moss knocked him down to Earth...maybe below. Pennington played as well as we could have hoped for him to given his talent level but unfortunately he was reinjured.

    I can see where you are coming from Killer, but on the other hand for ever Culpepper there is a Drew Brees.
     
  15. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Once again it has nothing to do with talent level and everything to do with bringing in a QB with a major injury under his belt.
    That is the comparison.
     
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  16. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Which is why I brought up Brees.

    You don't make a decision based on past decisions. You make one based off of now. You can't choose to not sign Manning because Culpepper or Pennington didn't work out. You choose not to sign him because your medical staff does not think Peyton Manning will work out. That's all I'm saying.
     
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  17. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    That's fair enough. Point well taken.
    A fused vertebrae just doesn't sit well with me at all. It is kind of ironic though. The situations are similar.
     
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  18. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I definitely agree that the situation has to be looked at with intense care. It's definitely a serious injury and a route we have taken before. For the record I'm not really for or against going after Manning. I just know I only do it if I feel confident he is 100%. Not 95 or even 99. 100% or nothing. If he's not I think you EITHER sign Flynn to compete with Moore or you try and move up for RGIII if possible and try to develop him while Moore holds the reigns. I think Moore played well enough that if you can't get a definite upgrade (Healthy Manning) you give him a chance to compete and see if he can develop even further as a QB.
     
  19. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    The rub is we will have to wait for a while to see if Manning is 100% healthy and we don't have that kind of time if addressing the QB position.
    It would be a good idea to have an insurance policy and then see what happens with Manning. Placing everything on Peyton to be the savior would be a grave mistake. Good post Alex.
     
  20. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    And Marshal dropping them. Marshal would not last long with Manning on the team and I would agree. The word Team and the name Brandon Marshal have a gap between them about as wide as the Grand Canyon. Get another receiver and give Marshal a bag of money and send him on his way.
     
  21. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This would require two near impossibilities:

    1 The Fins' crack medical staff makes an accurate determination.

    2 Ross and Ireland land a big fish.
     
  22. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    the way i looks at is like this. if we draft a qb and have peyton tutor and help him grow for three seasons then im all for it. if not im not a huge fan of this potential move(i know im in the minority). like i have said in the previous manning thread if he comes here and reinjures his neck(assuming he will even be healthy to begin with) we are ****ed again we will be back to square one, and also even if he stays healthy and we make moves to go for it all after 3 years if we fail its back to square one again only our defense ages again, our offensive weapons get older as well. i want to become a franchise like the steelers,patriots that have prolonged success a window that is +10 years not 1 2 or 3 years and that starts with a franchise qb. stop gap qbs dont get you anywhere.
     
  23. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    and when things don't go his way he *****es and throws his qb under the bus and sits at the other end of the bench...dude drops way too many passes for being an "elite" reciever
     
  24. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Yea I think he is done.I am afraid they are going to go all in with him and then he takes a few shots and he is done then we miss out on matt flynn.Back to square one.It would be great if he is healthy because we would be serious contenders next year but I think this is to big a risk.
    This is not a knee injury or shoulder injury this is a neck injury.Not the best injury to have when 300 lbs lineman are trying to kill you on every snap.He really should retire so he doesn't end up in a wheelchair.
     
  25. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Yes you missed it. Do they have a sarcastic font I can use in the future?
     
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  26. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    If Peyton is a free agent and healthy, you sign him. He only cost money if he's hurt, so effing what. Whether we sign him or not we can still be looking for the QB future.

    I don't understand why everyone is sooooo attached to Ross' money or why if we get Manning we wouldn't be looking for the next QB?
     
  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Kill....

    Lets say, for arguments sake, Manning looks healthy enough to play. Nobody really knows for sure though, right? Not until he starts taking hits. So, there will always be a degree of risk.

    Now....you have the Jets and Phins both trying to land him. My question to you is.....are you so gun shy about past injuries with other QB's, that you would be willing to see him go to the Jets? Now you face Brady and Manning each twice a year....for maybe the next three years.
     
  28. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Manning comes back 'HEALTHY' ENOUGH where he feels comfortable to play, and is a free agent, there will be a bidding war for his services. How many teams are willing to pay $20 million a year for 3 or 4 years, as an example, and STILL have to worry that his next hit is his last. You have to put the cap hit in the equation. That is where it would mess up a team in a hurry. It's not worth the short term risk, to me. Invest that money in someone that will be here for years.
     
  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Cap worries are overrated. You know what hurts a team more than cap hell? No QB.
     
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  30. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    You know who else drops too many passes to be a "elite" receiver? Roddy White and Dwayne Bowe, who both had more drops than him.

    You know who else? Wes Welker and Reggie Wayne, who both had more drops the year before.
     
  31. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    You have a QB, who first and foremost, wins games not with his arm, but his head. Look at the Colts this year. Without Peyton Manning, they won two games. With Peyton Manning, they would have won 9-10 games, easy. They had how many consecutive seasons winning 10 games.....

    Our core team is light years ahead of what the Colts have.

    If Peyton Manning says he is healthy enough to play.....you are off your f'n rockers not to take that chance. With this team, and a healthy Peyton Manning, we could actually....WIN the Super Bowl the next two years. But yeh, your right, lets be cautious......
     
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  32. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    It just boggles my mind why people are scared. Playing it safe has given us exactly 0 SB wins in almost 40 years. How many teams are in cap hell? None really, because there's no such thing anymore especially with the rookie cap. If a team finds itself in cap hell it takes a season to get out, which is nothing considering you aren't going anywhere without a QB.
     
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  33. ATLFINFAN

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    Its not overrated to the teams who have cap problems. Why not we just go and sign Pennington too. HE would still play if someone would pay him.
    Marino was 'ABLE' to play when he gave it up, and he wasnt the same.
    How bout T.O. to.

    There comes a time..........

    For the record.........we dont KNOW.......Miami is even interested.
     
  34. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Who is in cap hell?

    There is no evidence Peyton's play has declined. He's injured. He may never play again or may. No one is arguing that. All anyone is saying is, IF he's healthy, sign him.
     
  35. Dolphin1184

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    I would not be surprised if Ross takes a gamble with Manning.

    1) He is all for the big name, and Peyton Manning would mean instant relevance again for the Phins.
    2) Last time we failed to take a gamble on a player.... we watched Drew Brees win a super bowl and break Marino's record.
     
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  36. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    ^^Ouch!
     
  37. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    A healthy Peyton Manning isnt A big name....he is THE big name.
     
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    I really don't see the Fins signing Manning. Let's think about this for a second. Manning is NOT going to have a medical disposition by draft day. His cervical nerves will not have regenerated in 3 months. That's a fact and no one can argue this point. Wouldn't Ross/Irish want to have their qb plan in place by the end of the draft? I think the Fins will pursue Manning as a last resort if they don't sign Flynn or draft a QB.

    On another point......one can not compare a nerve injury to a ligament or muscular injury (shoulder, knee). You're comparing apples to oranges.
     
  39. Big Phin

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    I can see both sides here. If the team pays a lot of money and it doesn't work out, it could set the team back.

    I personally would love to see Manning in a Dolphins uniform even if it's only a few years.
     
  40. ATLFINFAN

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    And this morning LaConfora said it would probably be AZ or Seattle. I give no weight to either ones GUESS.

    From Fin. D.
    There is no evidence Peyton's play has declined. He's injured. He may never play again or may. No one is arguing that. All anyone is saying is, IF he's healthy, sign him.
    I GET THAT. I disagree. IT would seem, with that kind of damage, it would be ridiculous to play this game again, and for a team to spend resources on that kind of gamble when we could take that same chance on a HEALTHY QB that could be here for YEARS.
     

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