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Chad Henne in the WCO

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by UCF FINatic, Jan 22, 2012.

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  1. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    I had Jacory in my sig once upon a time. Think it lasted like 2 weeks :lol:
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    The thing is that I think playing under Shannon flat out killed Jacory as a QB. His first year away from Shannon he looked like almost a completely different QB. Had he been working with Golden from the start I think he could have been a very good borderline great college QB.
     
  3. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Sort of like Henning killing Henne??? Hmmmmm....
     
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Not really. Henne had the exact same problems in college. I thought NFL coaching could fix them, but at this point I just don't believe he has the natural instincts for the game.
     
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  5. Laces Out

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    Thank you.

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  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I just don't see how you can be an NFL QB if you can't identify the fact that 6 - 5 = 1`free rusher in your face.
     
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  7. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    I am in total agreement. I have said that Henne was not an NFL QB from the time I signed on this board and got blasted for it.
     
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  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Good to see Henne threads still have the legs to go 15+ pages...
     
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  9. felly smarts

    felly smarts New Member

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    You mean the unproductive Crowder that wasn't resigned by the Phins because everyone knows that he was not up to par. That my friend is hardly the proof that I would go on. As far as the body language....please man, was that of frustration at Henne or himself. I coach football. I'm telling you that Henne has issues, but they are not from lack of talent. They are from the inability of the coaching staff to develop him. Not everybody is the same. He gets the right coach and you will see a different player. If Trent Dilfer can be coached well enough to win a Super Bowl then Henne can win 5. You play people to their strengths and develop the offense to the strengths of your players. And I highly doubt half the team laid down because they don't like one certain person and if they do...another coaching issue. I see more talent on our team right now then we have had in a very long time.
     
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  10. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    What talent does Henne have? Arm Strength? That's about it. Henne's problem is he;s just not smart enough to be an NFL QB. He has the same exact problems he had coming out of Michigan. The coaching staff tried to shield those problems by making Henne play it safe, and he still couldn't go without turning the ball over. That's all on him, and his inability to read defenses.
     
  11. Laces Out

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    Please give me Chad Henne's strengths
     
  12. felly smarts

    felly smarts New Member

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    Henne has a good arm with on and off accuracy. I've seen him make some unbelievable throws and seen him make some very stupid throws, however I see a QB that hasn't been properly taught how to read a D. Henne has an issue with looking more at a coverage and not at the line. He worries more of where he going with the ball. His on and off accuracy can be helped when he develops timing. Do you think Rodgers would have come out gun slinging like he is now if he didn't have a coaching staff there teaching him for years before he stepped up in a starter role. We haven't properly given anybody enough time to play football at an elite level before we ship them off. And it's really not fair to judge anybody on our team this year without an off season. I think Sparano was handed an unfair hand this year. You can talk x's and o's all day until you're blue in the face, but if there isn't a team to put it in action then it doesn't do you any good. Brandon Marshall undoubtedly dropped numerous game winning TD passes and nobody here is calling for his head.
     
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  13. Laces Out

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    So...basically you are saying that all he has going for him is a decent arm?

    Downsides....

    Can't read a D
    No Pocket Presence
    Hit and miss accuracy
    Looks downfield too long
    Fooled easily by coverage
    poor timing


    now take a name away from that, do you want a guy that has that little upside?
     
  14. felly smarts

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    What I'm saying is that with the proper coaching he can fix 95% of his issues. There are things I see about him I like. I think he is a starting QB. Maybe not tomorrow but he will get it. And when he does...it's gonna come around for him in a big way. I see it every year on the teams I coach. Guys that never so much as put on a helmet run around totally lost and then the game all of a sudden slows down and they get it. Granted the NFL is a whole different ball game. I can agree to disagree.
     
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  15. jsizzle

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    Dude, you are wasting your time. I agree with you and those who understand football agree with you. The rest??? Well....read through this thread and you will see.
     
  16. Laces Out

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    I understand the game of football just fine. I just don't see what you do. It isn't a Chad Henne bias, it is simple. I feel the the NFL isn't the place to be teaching the basics of the game to a QB, it is a place for a QB to hone his craft against some of the best in the business. The NFL is playing chess while Chad Henne is playing checkers.
     
  17. Clipse

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    If they don't bite as pups...
     
  18. Clipse

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    Well as he said, it's wasting time. I'm convinced he's related to Henne so there's no convincing him. He likes QB's that throw more INT's than TD's. Thankfully, nobody who understands football feels the same, hence why he'll be let go in FA, and spending the rest of his career as a backup.
     
  19. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Despite the horribly botched attempt by Lee and Henning to ever attempt to develop a QB.
    I think they cooked up the Pistol. With Pat White. That was good times.
    Henne will beat us down the road sometime.
     
  20. Alex44

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    The thing is that Henne doesn't just have a little trouble reading defenses. He has trouble making reads I'd expect a high school QB to be able to make. If you can't even tell which side the pressure is going to be coming from when the defense isn't even trying to hide the blitz, well you have some issues. If Chad can't count to six right now and can't understand that on a blitz you audible to a quick route towards the side with the overload, I don't see why you would hope he could understand more complex issues.

    The very reason Henning tried to drill it into Hennes brain that you take a three step drop and release the ball is the simple fact that Henne cant for the life of himself feel pressure. They tried to teach him and he just couldn't learn. As outdated as Hennings offense may be, the man isn't an idiot. It's not like Chad could not have learned anything, especially the basics.
     
  21. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    His feet got better with no camp time. I'll give him that. BD helped him.
    Marching White out there stunted Henne's growth IMO
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    IMO I find that entire idea crazy.
     
  23. Laces Out

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    I think it's just time for everyone to agree to disagree. We all feel the way we feel, and nobody is changing that at all. This thread was beating a dead horse like 4 pages ago and now we are grinding the bones to powder. If anyone wants to discuss this with me, feel free to PM, and I will try to reply in a timely manner.
     
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  24. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Me too. The Pistol was a horrible formation.
    Taking snaps from your starting QB to put White on the field was indeed crazy. :wink2:
     
  25. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I don't think that 26 plays, including 7 of which came in one game (against New England) had all that much of an impact on Chad Henne's development. In the grand scheme of things, that works out to maybe a quarter's worth of work.
     
  26. rdhstlr23

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    Can't believe this is 17 pages long. The only way to tell is to see what Henne does on his new team.
     
  27. Killerphins

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    So they never ran it in practice huh?
    Plus every time Henne would get into a rhythm they would pull him. You don't think that messes with a QB's head?
    That offense just flat out stunk period under Henning and Lee. There was no QB development at all.
     
  28. Vengeful Odin

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    If we eliminate the New England Game where it was used 7 times, that means that it was ran, on average, 1.27 times per game in the remaining 15. That means, according to your logic, that Chad Henne was only in a rhythm every 1.27 times per game.

    I don't disagree with your assessment of Henning and Lee, but to blame a package that was use sparingly - 26 times in an entire season - for Henne's (lack of) development doesn't make a lot of sense.

    Either way, this most likely will be a moot point, as I suspect that Henne will sign with another team as a backup and we won't hear from him again.
     
  29. Killerphins

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    Ah we'll hear from him again. When he comes down to Miami and beats us somewhere in the future.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not believe that taking Henne out for a few snaps is enough to stunt his growth. The idea of that is crazy. Just as crazy as the Wildcat stunted his growth as wel.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    With a crowbar in the backalley?
     
  32. emocomputerjock

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    IIRC, someone (possibly CK) did an analysis of Henne's passing statistics following being pulled for Pat or the Wildcat and they were better than his normal passing stats.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Chad Henne himself said it was good for him.
     
  34. Ozzy

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    I'm sorry but you have yet to prove you know anything about the game of football. Making a few posts that are barely over a paragraph with nothing but demands that Henne can be great and made HUGE improvements in 3 games without explaining a thing as to how is not showing football knowledge.

    You've done nothing but throw half assed insults at people who do not have the same view as yours.
     
  35. Ozzy

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    The Qb himself is a part of development. Henne never hit the video rooms hard and on his own until 3/4 of the way thru the last season. That's straight from Chad Pennington's mouth.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    When quarterbacks are really hot, why do coaches not call time outs? Why doesn't the 2 minute warning hurt the quarterback?
     
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    Highly doubt it. :pity:
     
  38. jsizzle

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    I gotta give you that one.
     
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    The original point was that if Philbin was going to install the WCO, Henne ran that in college, and then the stupid posts started.
     
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    Ozzy, I am going to guess that I was playing football before you were born. I have posted dozens of times saying why I believe he had improved. But the haters overshadow everything with their amazing insight ("Henne sucks, Henne blows" etc.)

    I don't need to prove myself.
     
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