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Sherman hire another leg up in the search for a QB?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Trowa, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Alright, hear me out. Miami has 3 legitimate choices for securing a QB this off-season. Those choices are Matt Flynn, Peyton Manning and Ryan Tannehill. With both Cleveland and Washington ahead of us it's near impossible for us to get RG3 and if the Colts are letting Manning walk, there's no way they're trading out of the #1 pick. With both Philbin and Sherman on the staff we have a guy who knows Matt Flynn and a guy who knows Ryan Tannehill better than anyone else in the league. You would have to think at this point, having these guys on the staff, if we make a move for either (or possibly both) guys that they have the talent and will be successful. We've done so poorly in acquring talent at the QB position it's about time the deck was stacked a little bit in our favor.

    There is one thing that concerns me though, if the situation arises that Cleveland does take RG3 and Washington feels it needs Ryan Tannehill they will be much less likely now to trade down and bank on getting him after our pick. Overdrafting Tannehill at 6 is a move that Snyder and Shannahan would do.
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    We'll take 2 from that list I believe. Or at least we should.
     
  3. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Brandon Weeden still available. So is Brock Osweiler.
     
  4. hammer

    hammer New Member

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    Osweiler is a project I'd love to have on the roster but he is nowhere close to being ready to play. As for Weeden, the idea of a 30 year old rookie QB sickens me.
     
  5. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    I wouldnt limit our choices to 3 QBs that our coaches know something about .Mike Sherman had a chance to look closely at Weeden and RG3 too since they were both frequent opponents .

    In fact Weeden gave him fits as an opponent while RG3 was only able to beat Texas AM once.
     
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  6. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Don't count out Moore yet. He got thrown into the lions den without any practice time. Once he got a feel for the players around him, he did pretty well.
     
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  7. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Weeden is only 2 years older than Matt Flynn, games Flynn has played in are only 2-3 over 4 years, Weeden is as close to NFL-ready as any QB I've seen coming into the draft. I say we get Flynn in FA, then stack the deck with EITHER Tannehill (1st choice) or Weeden. Also keeping Matt Moore, his play showed promise and earned him the right to compete next TC IMVHO. As stated above it would be really nice to be well stocked at the QB position, as opposed to our having an empty cupboard at QB as has been the case since Marino left. Fiedler was good enough to get some credit, but look what happened when he went down with an injury; season over.
     
  8. thisperishedmin

    thisperishedmin Well-Known Member

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    If you sign flynn I dont think theres a competetion. He'll be demanding more money than that warrants. If you sign Flynn, you're saying hes your starter. If you draft Weeden or Tannehill and keep Moore on board...then maybe you do a competetion? At the end of the day, a competetion just takes away reps and practice time for your starter...especially critical in changing offensive systems.
     
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  9. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Personally, I think Andrew Luck is more NFL ready than Weeden. I would say Weeden is light years ahead of Tannehill, Osweiler, Foles, etc. I could even see Weeden being on par with RGIII. I still think Weeden goes in the 2nd though.
     
  10. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Well...thats good...because Weeden would be a 29 year old rookie QB.
     
  11. hammer

    hammer New Member

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    That's a relief. Of course he's still playing with a torn labrum and tendinitis in his rotator cuff ended his baseball career. But other than that he's okay.:lol:
     
  12. Sitlington

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    Guys, Oklahoma State grad here. I have watched Tannehill for years. He is not a very good quarterback. Please do not allow these projections of him to confuse you. I wont sit here and make a case for Weeden because I am obviously bias and would love to see him in Miami, but Tannehill is not an answer. Believe me.
     
  13. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Sherman will be able to decide that.

    Regardless, this is the year we can grab our QB. Like the OP mentioned, we have coaches on staff that know some good QB prospects.
     
  14. AdamC13

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    I think the next starting QB is either Manning or Flynn. I can't even see Miami spending a high draft pick for a QB this year. Perhaps Moore from BSU in the 3rd or 4th if he is still on the board. I can't speak for Philbin but I would imagine he is a believer in letting rookie QBs learn from the bench like Rodgers and Flynn and looking for one to come in and start right away.

    Of course, Manning is the best player but 36 and injury make him a big-time gamble. If he isn't healthy by March when FA begins (and Manning this week said he has no idea if he will be) then I think Miami goes after Flynn and does what it takes to sign him.

    Flynn just makes so much sense. Has been developed for 4 years by the best franchise at developing QBs and learning curve would be minimal compared to a rookie QB. Flynn is NFL ready whereas a rookie may take 2-3 years to develop...IF they develop.

    I would hate to think Miami is heading into the draft with only Matt Moore an option for starting QB.
     
  15. hammer

    hammer New Member

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    Years? Kind of odd since he's only been playing QB for like 17 months. What He's done in this short time frame is nothing short of amazing IMHO. No offense, but I'll defer to Mike Sherman on this one.
     
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  16. jw3102

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    Perhaps you missed it but both Ross and Ireland have already stated that the teams number one priority in the off season is to upgrade the QB position. So basically the owner and the GM have already counted Moore out as the starter next season. Moore is what he is. A decent backup QB who can come in and beat the lesser teams in the NFL. He is not the type QB who is going to lead the Dolphins to the playoffs or consistently win games against the top teams in the NFL.

    Ross and Ireland both saw what Moore has to offer and they both feel he is not the answer. The question now is, who will be the answer in 2012 and beyond?
     
  17. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    How is preseason and not playing until the 4th game not ample practice time for a veteran QB?

    He did well only when the Dolphins went against poor defenses on teams playing poorly...16 TD passes 9 int looks good on paper but then throw in 6 lost fumbles and 15 turnovers doesn't look so good. The games he played the best were the games Miami's defense was exceptional giving Moore a short-field and no pressure.

    Matt Moore = great backup and below-average starter.
     
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  18. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Maybe he's factoring in his WR days.
     
  19. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I like it because we have an inside track on Flynn and Tannenhill. If either of these guys are worth it, Sherman and Dr. Phil will know. If they pass, I trust there are good reasons why.
     
  20. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I guess that means if the Dolphins pass on Tannehill with their first pick, we would have to infer that Sherman isn't that high on Tannehill as an NFL prospect. So I guess we will all have to wait until draft day to see how much Sherman and the Dolphins actually like what they see in Tannehill. None of know right now if Sherman thinks Tannehill is a NFL quality QB or just a very good college QB who won't be able to play at the next level.

    Sherman was already fired from one job after Tannehill was the QB for the past two years. It makes you wonder if Sherman, Philbin, and Ireland want to risk them jobs on a player who failed to lead his team to any significant victories at the college level this past season.
     
  21. Sitlington

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    Played WR before that and had a lot of QB packages.

    You can defer to Mike Sherman but Tannehill couldnt help Sherman keep his job in college. My father is on the Board at Texas A&M so I am not hating on Tannehill because I am an OSU grad. I watch A&M all the time. If you are amazed at Tannehill then you havent been watching.

    He only played three defenses inside the top 50 this year. In those games he boasted a 52% completion percentage with 4 TDS and 7 INTS. Go ahead and throw Oklahoma States 107th ranked defense at him and tack on another 3 picks. Really want that to be the future in Miami?
     
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  22. rafael

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    Tannehill was a HS QB recruited as a QB for TAMU. He only played WR in order to help the team and get on the field sooner. For those two years he was the best WR on their team. And when you evaluate QBs it's about the skills they show that translate to the NFL game. It's not about stats or players like Couch would be stars. The best QB analysts are projecting him into the top 10 b/c of the skills he displayed.
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Some people wanted Jake Locker and he was just as bad.
     
  24. Sitlington

    Sitlington New Member

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    Projected in the top ten because its a top heavy (top 2) QB class.
     
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  25. Sitlington

    Sitlington New Member

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    Also, you argue that Tannehill will be good because analysts are projecting his skills translate. Then those same analysts said Couch's skills would translate yet you say he was a bust with better numbers. Im confused. Do you trust the analysts or not? Because if you do, they like Couch more than Tannehill.
     
  26. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Locker was rumored to be the Dolphins target last draft, no? Thankfully we dodged that bullet.
     
  27. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Many of those same top football experts were also convinced that Couch would be a star in the NFL. Unfortunately, experts are paid to give opinions and their opinions are often just as wrong as they are right. If all these so called experts really knew exactly how well a player would do at the next level, there would never be any draft busts.

    Tannehill may turn out to be a quality QB in the NFL. He may also turn out to be exactly what he was in college. An average QB who led his team to a very average season and who was unable to lead his team to victory against the better teams on the schedule. This appears to be what the Dolphins already have in Matt Moore and I see no need to draft another Matt Moore when he is already on the team.

    I just don't see Tannehill being a first round selection based on what he has shown at the college level, because the fact is that he really didn't play that great this past season. If the Dolphins can get him in the third or fourth round and let him sit for a couple of years, he might be worth the pick. I just don't see him being a first or second round pick based on his limited success at the college level.

    I just hope one of the teams drafting before the Dolphins buy into all this Tannehill hype and draft him. Personally I would rather have Matt Moore as the teams starting QB and use the first and second round picks on players who can actually come in and be starters from day one.

    Hopefully the Dolphins will sign Flynn and all this talk of Tanneyhill and Weeden can be left for all those teams still looking for a QB to groom for two or three years.
     
  28. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I'm sorry, there is not a chance we get both Tannehill and Flynn or Manning and Tannehill. First, if you have either Manning or Flynn in place, they are certainly penciled in as your starter. Moore is the backup. Further down in the draft, day 3, you might pick another or keep out for an UDFA. There are several other holes currently on the roster and perhaps a few more depending on the final scheme decision of the both the O and D. Why strap Philbin into 3 good options at QB if you still need and OG, TE, speedy WR, OLB, LDE, SS and FS ?? Doesn't make much sense...naturally, FA can change that but realistically it won't and we will still have a hole or two that needs to be filled thru the draft...
     
  29. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, whether or not Tannehill is the next Tom Brady isn't the question here. What is fact is that, in this draft, according to nearly every talking head, scout and coach you talk to, Tannehill is the 3rd best option at QB. Worthy of a 1st round pick ?? Don't know, except if Flynn, Manning, Luck and RG3 fall out of our reach he may very well be the next best option and there will be several other teams looking at him as well...so you might over-draft. I wouldn't do that in most positions on the field, but QB is the exception to that rule...

    Personally, I'm not convinced Moore wouldn't be a better option either, but Ross and Irish have mandated a 'franchise QB' so if they are sitting at #8/9 and there aren't other options....???
     
  30. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Because none of those other positions are as important as QB. Not even close.
     
  31. hammer

    hammer New Member

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    Apparently neither has almost every professional scout in the country. Uh yeah, I've been watching.
     
  32. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I certainly understand that some talking heads feel this way about Tannehill. Of course other talking heads like Weeden more than Tannehill and I have even heard other talking heads say that Osweiler and Foles are better prospects than Tannehill. Everyone has an opinion on these QB's, including those of us on this forum.

    I certainly respect those who think highly of Tannehill and want the Dolphins to draft him if he is still available when the Dolphins pick comes around in the first round. I just don't agree that Tannehill will be the franchise QB the Dolphins are looking for. I see only two QB's in the entire draft who I think are future NFL stars, Luck, and RG3. Any other QB taken in the first round is a giant reach, as far as I am concerned. That is my opinion and I have absolutely no problem with all those who disagree with me.
     
  33. Sitlington

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    Good argument....

    Well said. People want to believe there is a QB out there in the draft they can believe in. Talking heads arent going to go to the American public and say, "Well, its Luck and RG3. Everyone else is a career #2. They arent paid to do that. They will find whatever they can to get people excited about prospects and watch the draft. These same talking heads who say Tannehill can translate to the NFL are getting their paychecks signed by the same company that televises the draft.

    I completely understand people wanting to be excited about Tannehill as a potential prospect. I have watched him in practice and in games (big and small) and I absolutely do not see it. That being said, I am not a scout or a talking head. It is just my opinion.
     
  34. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I was with you till you said you don't see Tannehill being a 1st or 2nd round pick. Look, I have more trepidation than most about Tannehill, but he will go in the first round. Only because he's a QB in what has turned out to be a pretty mediocre class outside of Luck and RG3. But he will go in the first.
     
  35. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I agree Tannehill will be a first or second round pick. This has more to do with teams needing a QB than it does with whether or not Tannehill is a first or second round quality player. I would rather see the Dolphins draft players in the first and second round who can come in and play immediately.

    To me, Tannehill is rated as highly as he is because he plays a position of need for many teams. Not because he is one of the top fifty or sixty players coming out of college this season. I have no doubt that a team with a need at QB will draft Tannehill in the first or second round. I just don't think he is worth one of these picks for the Dolphins. I could care less if one of the other thirty one NFL teams want to waste a high draft pick on him, as long as it isn't the Dolphins doing the wasting.
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Maybe he watched Tannehill in high school, where he also played QB.
     
  37. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    This totally adds nothing football wise about Tannehill, but his GF is SMOKIN HOT!!!!!

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  38. finsbuck719

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  39. Makados10

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    I'm not expecting the super bowl next year. I'm just hoping we're on the playoff bubble. Only thing I really want is to finish above the Jets in the AFC East next year.

    That being said, if RG3 falls to us, great. I wouldn't trade crazy picks to get him. Otherwise, use those picks to help out Moore or if we get Flynn.

    Usually I'm pissed off heading into the offseason.... But heck, the Dolphins were a fun team to watch the second half of the season.

    I'm excited the new coaching staff is shaping up and all, but it's semi-sweet since I liked the job Daboll & Nolan were doing.

    Time will tell. :beer:
     
  40. Laces Out

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    She has feet??????? :knucks:
     

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