Good news..''Put the toothpaste back in the tube''

That's great news.

 

Great to hear, Deej. I look forward to the day this all finally comes to fruition. Good riddance, Marlins. lol.

Mentioning the seats being moved in for the Canes makes sense b/c currently they're like a little kid's dinner plate that has his veggies scattered to give the impression it's empty. This way UM can clump all the vegetables together and utilize a little camera magic to make it seem like the plate's full again.












to all you Canes fans.

 

.....aaaaaaaaaaaaand they're not raising ticket prices this year and might even lower some.

 

Honestly, it just sounds like he's rehashing the blueprint they had for the stadium a few years ago.

They'll add rows of seats to the lower bowl and extend it out. The seats will be all aqua instead of orange. The canopy will be put over the seating areas to help prevent another rainy super bowl for the patrons. Seats will be removed from the 4 corners of the upper deck of the stadium, and scoreboards placed there in the same manner as in Metlife Stadium. This would be done to accommodate the canopy.

That they have a plan is all well and good, but they've had it for a few years now. They still need the financing, which is the difficult part. Until they get that, it's just nothing but a plan.

 

The interesting thing is that the Chargers' stadium's lower bowl seats seem to be just as far from the field. Check this out:





I wonder if their fans feel similarly about how the structure of the stadium may interfere with home-field advantage.

BTW, if you look at the corners of the lower bowl on the right-hand side of the pic, I think you see the kind of "add-on" construction we're talking about here. Wonder why they didn't do that along the sidelines, as well.

 

The canopy is the best item to make the stadium livable. If you have ever sat in the visitors' side upper deck for a one o'clock start, you know what I mean. To say the sun is brutal is an understatement; somewhat like saying Benedict Arnold was a bit disloyal.

Every halftime there's an exodus from the sun's anvil to the empty seats on the home side, which have shade. Everyone on the home side is then disturbed when folks come back to their seemingly empty seats that the migrators have now occupied, and a game of musical chairs ensues.

If the ancient Romans had the technology to put an awning over the Colosseum, certainly we have the ability to put a canopy over the stadium. Just a matter of money.

 

Here's an idea. How about paying for it by yourselves. An NFL franchise is the least risky investment there is besides gold or silver. Relying on socialism when it's convenient really chaps my hide. Goldman Sachs pay for their buildings, don't they?

Good for Broward County..."They turned their backs on us", pffft! STFU Dee...

 

They should put the seats in the endzone /end djphinphan

 

Their plan is to add seats to make them a little closer. The stadium does not need more seats though. What it needs is to bring the entire lower bowl closer with a steeper incline. That would mean a few thousand LESS seats.

What they're doing is thinking they will make more money down the road.

 

They should absolutely be paying for it themselves but you clearly don't understand what "socialism" means from even a high school social science program standpoint.

 

Not necessarily. For big companies, they tend to get huge tax breaks for real estate to attract them or retain them in the city. For example, my company is building a big couple of buildings in South Boston (a stupid as hell location to build a pharma company) but the city of Boston is practically giving it to them with no taxes.

But I do agree that the franchise should be footing most of the bill. or the city could at least provide some incentive for them to do so.

 

well if you change the name to Don Shula Stadium and dedicate it our favorite coach then I'M siked . I think the taxpayers should never pay for a stadium for any sport.

if only Miami would bring in some more big name players to help sell tickets and merchandize then the team can keep making improvements.

 

I think they'd do it in a NY minute if they had the financing. They may be trying to use the loss of Super Bowl revenue to get Broward and Miami-Dade to agree to some type of Hotel tax increase.

 

State of the art. 100% retractable.

 

What's up, Shou. Long time no see, buddy.








The playing dimension of a football field is 57,600 square feet.

Sun Life Stadium: 115,000 sq ft of field space (to accommodate its large baseball dimensions). It's 6,000 sq ft larger than the San Diego's.


For comparison,
Lambeau Field (Packers): 85,000
Soldier Field (Bears): 85,000
Lincoln Financial Field (Eagles): 87,000
Invesco Field (Broncos): 89,000
Lucas Oil Stadium (Colts): 92,000
Reliant Stadium (Texans): 97,000
Superdome (Saints): 90,000
Gilette Stadium (Pats): 94,000
Heinz Field (Steelers): 96,000

**Not only is Sun Life twice as large as a normal football field, but it represents 20,000-30,000 sq ft of "further distance" from the field than the above stadiums.


IMO it's not just about the distance but also about the fan base that shows up.

As DJ has pointed out, the extreme distance from the field does no favors for the Dolphins b/c:
1. the fan base is consistently late to games/filling the stadium.
2. we procrastinate at filling seats after half time.
3. unless it's a big game (typically vs NE or NY), our fan participation, spirit, and noise level is spotty.

IMO it's imperative to move the stands closer to the field to get fans feeling more involved in the action.

 

I have mockups for a new Dolphins stadium. Given an opportunity, I'll try to render it out for y'all at some point :P

 

thank god the marlins are out

 

Adding seats was supposed to begin right after the season ended. What the plan was will not help though. Adding seats mean absolutely nothing if the team does not improve. Nothing will....

 

In this economy? With the public sentiment being soo directed towards no public money being devoted towards anything? It would be impossible. Quite frankly anyone that is expecting private money to take this big of an investment without any public involvement is fooling themselves. No work will get made if there is no support from the counties, Ross hasn't made all that money by going all in with the risk.

This is to say they probably have been talking about this for a while, but as Dee said the county was not behind them. And it will remain not behind him so long as public sentiment is that strongly against public spending.

 

If this is the plan, I am all for it.



It really should help recreate a home field advantage by trapping the sound in, having the fans closer to the field, and providing some relief to those in the stands.

 

This isn't going to happen if they need to rely on public money for any aspect of it. Broward already said they are not interested, and there's no way Dade is going to be able to even if they really wanted to after the Marlins stadium issues.

 

You, sir, are an unmitigated genius. Notice that not only is shade provided to the vistors' side upper deck, which is now uninhabitable, but the sun is beating down like the furnaces of Hades on the visitor's bench while the home bench is shaded.

 

Blaming the stadium for the dearth of fans is ridiculous. I attended games at Joe Robbie stadium for over 23 years. Before that I attended games at the old Orange Bowl since the Dolphins starting playing there in 1966.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the stadium the way it is today. It has always been hot at the 1:00pm games in September and October. This was never a problem until the team starting losing and fans decided to stay home instead of showing up at the stadium to watch the games. If Ross wants to spend his own money to make the changes to the stadium, that is fine, but I hope he doesn't expect the taxpayers of Miami to contribute one penny to the project.

Once the team starts winning again, fans will come to the stadium to watch the games, no matter how hot it is. If these upgrades are being made in an effort to bring the Super bowl back to Miami, Ross should just save his money or spend it on player salary and let the game be played elsewhere each year. Miami is just fine without the Super Bowl ever coming here again.

 

That sentiment is extremely false, as the Super Bowl is one of the few events (associated with the stadium) that brings money into the Miami economy.

 

At the end of the day DJ, it's about money, not competetive advantages.

Lower bowl seats cost more and are more desirable. Thus it makes no sense to have a surplus of undesireable seats while having too few desirable ones. The lower bowl is not the problem when it comes to attendance. It is basically sold out every game.

As for moving the seats closer and all that jazz, it's nice and all and if ross wants to pay for it then bully for him, but there will not be any public money for it, I guarantee that. It's the worst possible time, in probably the worst possible state to be looking for such a handout.

 

If any US sporting event is a notable economic boon to a town, it's the Super Bowl, but there's been some degree of controversy over it being all that helpful.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/...ic-impact-of-super-bowls-is-so-controversial/

 

As long as Ross is going to pay for all the upgrades, I don't care what they do to the stadium. I just don't want them expecting the taxpayers to pay for these upgrades. As someone who has spent many hours in the stadium over 23 years, I don't really see the need to put a lot of money into upgrades or to place a partial cover over the stadium to block the sun or the rain on the fans. To me, the hot humid days and the occasional rain is part of the experience.

I guess the spoiled fans of today want everything perfect to go to the stadium. All I have ever wanted is an exciting and competitive team to watch when I go to the stadium.

As far as Dee talking about the problems at the stadium. I tend to think that the NFL is continuing to put pressure on the Dolphins and Miami to upgrade the stadium before they will agree to another Super bowl game in South Florida. Broward county has already made it clear that they have no intention of giving the Dolphins any money for these stadium upgrades. The Miami Dade County Commission certainly will not vote to approve any money for these upgrades.They are very aware of what happened to the last County mayor who pushed through the Marlins baseball stadium when most voters were against funding the stadium. I think that if not for pressure from the NFL to upgrade the stadium for future Super Bowls, there would not be much concern about the stadium at this time.

As I have stated, I have no problem with Ross spending his own money for these upgrades and if that is what he is planning to do, great. Yet if this is merely an attempt to get the taxpayers of South Florida to spend hundreds of millions of dollars just so the NFL will agree to more Super Bowls in South Florida, I am sure the vast majority of the residents in the area would oppose this plan.

 

They should keep an endzone open (like Seattle) to capture the view of downtown Miami, its beautiful skyline, and nearby water.

Wait, nevermind. ............ I mean---

 

yes, but doesn't the sun rotate around the stadium, placing it in a possibly different location than what's shown?

 

Well, doesn't a competitive advantage help bring about more wins? And don't more wins bring in more money? So in essence, it is also about competitive advantage if that advantage results in greater revenue.

 

Are changes like that possible? I know slapping jumbotrons in the corners of the stadium isn't a big deal, but totally changing the slope of the seats in the lower bowl seems difficult. Could that be done in one offseason? If not, where would we seat a huge amount of expensive seats? Where would they play in the interim? I love the looks of this, I'm just not sure if it'd work. Then again, this could've been done by some professional architectural firm and I'm just making myself look like an ***.