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Marshall's performance in the Pro Bowl.......

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ToddsPhins, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    That is horse**** and is typical BS that is promoted by those who want to turn a blind eye to everything Marshall does because of the perception that he helps this team. He's the "star" wide receiver, so we have to put up with his antics, lack of character, and lack of professionalism. We have to put up with how he disrespects his teammates and anyone else that dares to question him. This is a guy that belongs in jail, not on a football team.
     
  2. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    See, you took offense because you know you're one of the embarrassments. That's good. I thought you were completely oblivious and stuck in your own little world. Good to know you have some self awareness. It's a start. But no, I'm not going to debate with you because I don't have to prove you wrong. Reality has already proved you wrong.
     
  3. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    It is because you cannot prove me wrong on this. You cannot prove that Brandon Marshall isn't just like Terrell Owens with his effect on the locker room. The way Brandon treated Chad Henne last year is acceptable? It must be OK, because Brandon made a point to completely ignore his quarterback late in the season because "he wasn't getting the ball enough". Let's just forget about the way he acted in Denver when he didn't get his way, dropping every pass in practice and punting the ball into the stands. Oh, wait. Maybe he wasn't intentionally dropping those passes all along.

    Poor ole Brandon Marshall. He's just misunderstood. He can't help that he has a personality disorder that causes him to do stupid things and say stupid things and act stupidly.
     
  4. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Nobody can "prove" Marshall's impact on the locker room. IMO he hasn't even been close to being a negative influence on the level of an Owens in Miami. I see his impact far more positive than negative. With the benefit of hindsight, I would easily make the trade to acquire him again.

    I also don't think Marshall is misunderstood. Marshall is a #1 WR that can beat one on one coverage and often draws extra attention from the defense. He is a player that DCs game plan around. He drops too many passes, but he also produces a ton of plays. This is exactly what he did in Denver when he was considered an elite WR. He has basically produced at a similar level to what he produced before we acquired him.
     
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  5. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    So, you don't think the way he treated Chad Henne last year had a negative impact on this team? You don't think all the headaches his little episode with getting stabbed (probably because he was trying to beat the hell out of his wife again) and all the negative press that brought to the team had a negative impact?
     
  6. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Agreed. I don't know where the locker room cancer thing comes from. People want to claim he's a bad teammate and that he doesn't give effort but I see him celebrating with Reggie Bush on a TD after he himself helped set it up with a block. I also don't agree that he threw anyone under the bus. He knows we can upgrade the QB position, Jeff Ireland and Steven Ross know we can upgrade the QB position. Every Dolphins fan knows we can upgrade the QB position. And even Chad Henne and Matt Moore know we can upgrade the QB position. Saying so in the media doesn't make him a bad teammate. Matt Moore is a 26 (I think) year old man. If he's gone 26 years without learning how to deal with criticism then he's gonna flame out from a lack of maturity eventually anyway ala Ryan Leaf.
     
  7. slickj101

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    Sure, but that's still not to the level of TO and his bull****.

    The stabbing thing is way too much conjecture.
     
  8. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    There's so many things in those two sentences that are wrong, I don't even know where to begin. So I wont. If you still believe **** that was disproved over a year ago you're clearly not going to listen to reason now.
     
  9. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The stats show Marshall played a great game...and the highlights do show a spectacular catch...something Marshall does do, make unbelievable Chinese contortionist catches, but I stopped watching the Pro Bowl after the first series by by sides. It was a half speed game in which the defense showed no real pass rush, something that's become common at the Pro Bowl as of late.

    Congratulations to Marshall for being slected the MVP. Congratulations on a great game statistically, but a football game it was not. It was a half speed scrimmage.
     
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  10. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    explain? cuz he threw a ball in VD face for showing up DRUNK to meetings? because he screams on the sideline about not catching the ball? because he tells it how it is, that Moore isnt the guy, and they need an upgrade....

    the haters hate is morphing into insanity at this point.....pure drivel spit from the mouths of dogs.....go back to the club you "insider"....smh....
     
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  11. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Yeah. Matt Moore isn't the guy, yet he had a better passer rating than two of the three quarterbacks throwing Brandon the ball in the Pro Bowl and has a better passer rating than all but a couple of first round quarterbacks that have been drafted since Matt came into the league.
     
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  12. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    How is that not to the level of TO and his bull****? It's exactly the same.
     
  13. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    TO was way more of an attention and media whore than Marshall has been so far.
     
  14. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box


    lol wow you are really looking for an argument here. I never said he didn't deserve to be in the PB. In fact contrary to what many seem to think I really am glad that he did as well as he did, he rep'd the Phins very well and for that I applaud him. Not sure I agree that his 2011 season performance deserves an appearance on it's own merit but then we all know that this is a favorites game and he certainly has the talent and has shown it enough to warrant an invite. You keep wanting to shoot my OPINION down and it just is not gonna happen. I don't think he gave us his all last season and for that matter since he has been here. He has flashed and the the PB is a prime example of that, What's more he has a propensity for bashing his team mates with innuendo and off hand comments. The only thing I criticize Marshall for is his consistency, of which I BELIEVE is lacking and based on how he is feeling or feels about his situation.
     
  15. Dolfan984

    Dolfan984 Underrated Free Agent

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    so KB loves Matt Moore.....but hated Jay Fiedler 10 years ago.................
     
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  16. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    so what?!?! Alex Smith had a better passer rating than Moore so that makes Alex Smith a better option, Cam Newton had a LOWER rating than Moore, yet threw for 4000 yards and accounted for 30 TD's, you want Moore over Newton??

    They were 23rd overall as a team in passing this year, and take away Henne's 400+ yards gem against NE, and it is even lower......that means they sucked and there is room for improvement...
     
  17. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I think those are minor and out-weighed by his positive impact on the field and in practice. The reports throughout camp were that he was one of the hardest workers and that he was very well liked by his team mates. I felt that him calling out Davis was a sign of leadership that this team needed.
     
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  18. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I would take Matt Moore over Cam Newton. Passer rating is a better indication of how effective the quarterback is rather than the volume states you are quoting me. The two passing stats that matter the most are passer rating and yards per attempt. Total yards, completion percentage, and yards per game have very little correlation with winning, therefore quoting me the team rankings of those numbers mean very little to me.

    The Dolphins were 12th in the NFL in offensive passer rating this year, and that is including Chad Henne's play. Over the last half of the season, Miami was 5th. Last year, Miami was 28th in the NFL in passer rating. In 2008 with Chad Pennington, they were 2nd in the NFL in passer rating. It's not a coincidence that they were 11-5 with Chad Pennington playing well and finished 6-3 his year with Matt Moore playing very well. Pennington had a 97.4 passer rating when they went 11-5, and Moore had a 98.5 over the 9 games where they went 6-3.
     
  19. AdamC13

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    :lol: Thanks...I needed a good laugh today. That did the trick.
     
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  20. Firesole

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    Somebody is prescribing himself his own drugs
     
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  21. jdang307

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    I like Matt Moore but that is just ludicrous!
     
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  22. KB21

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    Why is it ludicrous? Rob Chudzinski or Mike Shula, I would take. Cam Newton still has to prove to me that he can run an entire NFL offense, read the field, avoid turnovers, and play at a high level doing so. You take away his first couple of games, and his numbers the rest of the season were very pedestrian. If it weren't for his rushing ability, his season wouldn't have been that remarkable.
     
  23. alen1

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    This explains a lot of your other posts.
     
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  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    For a rookie, I highly disagree.

    Maybe if you disregard his first four games and his rushing ability then his season wouldn't have been remarkable for a 5 year veteran.
     
  26. slickj101

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    lol Why would you take away his rushing ability from the equation?
     
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  27. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    And what little credibility you had left is gone forever.
     
  28. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    I really don't understand all you BM haters, jeez. We finally get a big play WR and all you guys do is complain. He is the 2nd best player on our offense and you act likes hes so easy to replace?? He's had over 1,000 yds in each of his seasons here with BUMS throwing him the ball. You guys act like he's a cancer in the locker room, chill out. He's double covered every play for a reason, give the guy some credit damn. I can't wait til he really balls when we get a QB and see what all you guys have to say then.
     
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  29. Section126

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    If Aaron Rodgers had his right thumb amputated, he would be a terrible quarterback.

    BTW, if it wasn't for his rushing ability, he would still be a rookie quarterback that threw for 4,000 yards and resurrected a WR's career (Steve Smith).
     
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  30. Killerphins

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    While I may agree with some of KB's issues with Marshall I don't want to cut the guy.
    I would like to see him fix those things.
    He made strides in that area this year. Improved in TD's and YAC.
    Also looked like more of a team guy than anything I witnessed in 2010.
    "He can be as good as he wants to be."

    Um and yeah...... I wouldn't take Matt Moore over Cam Newton.
     
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  31. Ozzy

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    Chad Henne embraced Marshall this season so no, I don't think it impacted the lockeroom.
     
  32. KB21

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    And what about an 87.1 passer rating with 16 TDs and 9 INTs over 13 games screams that this quarterback should be replaced?

    Oh, and Cam threw 17 INTs. Matt Moore has thrown only 19 INTs in 25 games as a starter combined.
     
  33. KB21

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    Chad Henne was also a weak minded, impressionable young quarterback that lacked leadership ability and ended up letting Marshall convince him to throw the ball to him regardless of what the outcome may be.
     
  34. Ozzy

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    Come on Keith! I like Matt Moore just fine but this is rediculous.
     
  35. Ozzy

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    That does not mean the lockeroom was torn because of Marshall or that he is a terrible teammate
     
  36. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    WOW are people in this forum really trying to compare Matt Moore and Cam Newton???????????!!!!!!!!! Is this a joke? This guy KB is ridiculous saying he had less interceptions. Yeah Matt Moore over Cam. Give me a break, your delusional. HAHAHA
     
  37. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Don't you ever again in your life suppose you know me to say that I condone beating women. Never in my entire time on this board or in my life have I ever even alluded to that. That is over the line.

    As for Marshall, show me one piece of irrefutable proof that he ever beat his wife. That's not an accusation you level at someone without knowing if it's true.
     
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  38. KB21

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    Show me the numbers that support the idea that Cam Newton is not only better, but so much better that it is ridiculous to mention the two in the same breath.
     
  39. dolfan22

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    Over many years , the posts the last while were pretty stable but once again that could not be sustained. I thought admitting he was wrong on Newton was a good , honest step forward... oh well , c'est la vie say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell.
     
  40. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    4,051 passing yards, 706 rushing yards, 35 total touchdowns, 84.5 passer rating


    Most passing yards by a rookie in a game (432)
    Most passing yards by a rookie in a season
    First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games
    First rookie in NFL history to throw for 10 touchdowns and run for 10 touchdowns in a season.
    Fourth rookie quarterback to throw for 3,000 yards in a season.
    Third most pass TDs (21) in a rookie season.
    Most total touchdowns by a rookie NFL player: 35 (21 pass, 14 rush)
    First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first career start
    Only the Sixth Quarterback in NFL history to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games.
    First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts
    Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards
    First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games
    Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14)
    Second player in NFL history with 20+ pass TDs and 10+ rush TDs in a season
    First player in NFL history with 4,000+ pass yards and 10+ rush TDs in a season.
    First player in NFL history with 4,000+ pass yards and 500+ rush yards in a season.
    Had a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown in the same game eight times, tying the NFL single-season record.

    Look, I'm an Alabama alumni. That means hating Auburn counts as a part time job for me. And Cam Newton is at the top of the hatred pyramid. But come on...the kid is going to revolutionize the NFL. That's just plain to see.
     

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