Any difference? Cold Pizza made a good argument for once! Everyone says Gruden won the super bowl with Dungys team and kind of give credit to Dungy so isn't Cameron being given this heap of crap not completely to blame here? isn't this the opposite situation here? IMO the only coaches that turn crappy teams around fast (Jets last year) are one hit wonders and are mostly a mirage because the league doesn't know the coach and his system yet. Kind of can compare it to a pitcher facing the opposite league, since they haven't seen him before the pitcher is likely to succeed. What do you guys think... I've been all for Cam staying and I have been all season. I don't know why anyone expected a good team this year. As I said on the old finheaven this guy has improved our offense greatly and its not his fault qb play has been crap and we are at the top of the league with players on IR. I remember view the dolphins leaders a couple weeks ago. Our leading Passer, Receiver, and Rusher still to that date haven't played for our team since chambers got traded. Its not cams fault players get hurt or that Cleo cant hit simple throws. I'm all for keeping cleo as a backup as well.
I would say its hard as a fan (objective as we claim to be) to label our players as leftover "crap" from Saban. That said, yes, Cam has inherited players (crap or not) that may not fit his style, system, or desires. Reality is that we drafted 10 new guys under Cam and Randy and all 10 made the team, that speaks volumes to what he inherited, and what direction he needed to go in his 1st draft.
I dont think anyone expected to see a miracolous turn around from Cam this season. I did expect to see more from him then he did accomplish however. I could list off a pretty long list of things that look like bad decissions on his part and a very short list of good ones. Yesterdays victory was not impressive at all. He shows no emotion when we lose or win. The only thing I can say in his defense is he is a rookie HC and he may have learned things this season and he might show improvment next year but that is a gamble.
I musta missed seeing him hugging guys. I saw a smile on his face but I really didnt see him acting like he was overjoyed. He appeared relativly calm about the whole thing.
Man, Cameron was everywhere, hugging guys, smiling, laughing...he showed TONS of emotion. I'm getting a little sick of the lack of emotion argument.
He nearly jumped in Lemon's arms, the guy was running around hugging everyone he could. Kind of reminded me of Jimmy V. And JT gave him the game ball after the game.
I'm sorry, but the showing the emotion thing IS THE STUPIDEST indictment of a coach I've ever heard. First off, its not true, you can see the video Zod put up for you. But equating emotional displays from a coach to their win loss record, is about missing the point as far as one can miss it. Belicheck, Landry, Dungy, are the first 3 off the top of my head that qualify as bad coaches by your more than lacking criteria. I swear these Cam bashers, need to start bashing him for legitimate issues before I jump off a three story building, face first into a cinder block.
I like how when someone around here disagrees with someone else they feel the need to verbally attack the poster. Can we give the verbal attacks a rest already. You disagree with my assesment and thats fine, you have that right to do so. Just because my opinion is not the same as yours does not make me stupid. I will also maintain that I am still of the opinion that Cam appears to lack the level of emotion needed to inspire the people around him. I watched the video that Zod posted and do see what some of you are saying about him hugging his guys and it's nice to see. I think however considering it's first win as a head coach and might of saved his job I would of thought he would be more emotional then that. Im not saying it makes him a terrible coach because as the above poster pointed out (in a rude way) there are sucessfull coaches out there that inspire people without showing overwhelming emotions when in the public eye. I am not bashing him or condeming him as a coach I am however making an observation about him that does not enstill condfidence in me towards his ability to lead our team. Im sorry if my opinion upsets some of you but thats all it is is just an opinion and I am not so full of myself to think I cant be wrong. In all honestly I hope I am wrong about him.
Well, I guess you can look at it two ways, your way or maybe this way. Maybe its just a quite confidence in what he is doing, ala Joe Torre. Torre is the furthest away from a rah-rah guy, he never shows emotion, yet he wins and players respect him. yesterday you saw players going out of there way to hug and pat Cam on the back, even the one player that people say has the most problems with Cam got all emotional and gave Cam the game ball. Maybe Cam is really just building something along the lines of trust that Torre had with the Yanks? Only time will tell.
I really don't put a lot of credence into the 10 new guys made the team thing. I mean, were they really upgrades that put us into a position to win more games than last year? Is Ginn really that much of an upgrade over Welker and his contributions? Maybe in future years, but this year? Is Brandon Fields really that much of an upgrade over Donnie Jones? I would have to say "No". Did John Beck contribute more this year than a Daunte Culpepper could have? Did Lorenzo Booker do more than Travis Minor or Sammy Morris could have? Did Paul Soliai do more than Dan Wilkerson could have? Did Reagan Mauia do more than Darian Barnes or Kyle Eckel could have? Did Drew Mormino, Kelvin Smith, or Abe Wright help win more games than Kevin Carter, Jeff Zgonia, et al? Satele was a good pickup and has really contributed this year, more so than a Jeno James or one of the injured guards we dumped. The thing is, Mueller and Cameron made their decisions on who to get rid of and who to keep in the preseason. So I agree that to say they inherited total crap is not fair. In my opinion, they definitely made the team worse this year to save salary cap room and to get younger. But just because young guys play on a team that's won one game doesn't make them better than the guys they replaced.
As someone pointed out, he showed alot of emotion when we won Sunday. Ya know, in all my years of watching Don Shula, I found him to be very even-keeled on the sideline. The guy rarely showed emotion. I don't have a problem with that.....he handled the game with class....win or lose. I guess what I am trying to say is that I find it rediculous when people (not meaning you) use his lack of emotion on the sidelines as a reason to fire him (and that excuse has been used A LOT). As much as us fans have suffered with our team this season, it has to affect Cam 100 fold as he has to not only deal with assembling his staff and team, implement his offensive scheme, adjust his playbook weekly to best utilize the talent that remains healthy, and put up with the general crap that comes from the fans and SoFla media. He has handled all of this with class. I would prefer to see that than to have him screeching like a little girl the way Mora used to do. I think he will take alot away from this first season. I also feel we will see much improvement next season. Hang in there.
Trust me I am far from giving up on my team and you make a good point about having a coach with class. I too prefer class over crass.
I never said you were stupid. I said you're argument was stupid. Big difference. I consider myself smart, yet I've done stupid things. Secondly, the reason i feel this argument is, in fact, stupid, is because it isn't based on a stitch of fact. If I were to tell you the sky is blue because Smurfs were covered in glue, shot into the air, and stuck to the clouds...that would be stupid, because it isn't true. If you think that our record is due, in even a slight part, because Cam isn't "more emotional" is still one the most ridiculous things I've heard. Sorry.
Did you note the ages of any of the men you listed? I have always said that they trash canned this year in leau of the future. But my question is forever will be - who was going to do it? It had to be done. So who was going to do it? I'm glad every one of those players are gone! They were losers. Why would I say that? They lost. Worse they lost as VETERANS. These are rookies that are losing. At least there is an upside to them.
Yup, cleaning house is never and easy or popular task.....but sometimes scarifices must be made in order to move forward.
HOF - At the end of the day, 10 guys picked by Cam and Randy are now 10 Cam and Randy guys...and all of those they cut loose are not. So the fact still remains that Cam drafted 10 guys to start his regime and direction (not including any FA signings too i.e Greg Camarillo, etc). They will forever be "his guys", and this draft he will add atleast 7 more I suspect. The results this year may not equal a measured improvement from a win/loss standpoint over the 10 guys that were replaced, but in the near future based on age and cap space how could anyone not see that Cam inherited a roster of Saban guys (if only to agree that they were on the roster at the time of his departure) and Cam's 1st action was to draft and replace 10 of them?
As a first time time HC Cam has a lot to learn. I don't think anyone would have thought we would get every bad break we could. Hopefully this might do us for extreme bad luck for a couple of years. Maybe Cam will run a real training camp so the guys are tough enough that most make it through the year. Maybe we manage the clock and play rookies early so they get on the job training. We need time to exchange the roster, time some vets may not have. Maybe we are not as far out as people think, 6 losses by 3 points. One thing for sure, no one will be taking this team seriously next year
I feel that a coach needs to be even keeled. Just as a Quarterback should be. If you get too emotionally involved then you make stupid decisions. It is not bad to not show emotion on the sideline. Other than that, so of the best coaches in the NFL have had a rough first couple of years. Hopefully he can right the ship and I feel that he deserves that chance.
