''Sources say Dolphins on Mannings short list...''

Thank you.

 

Not like he hasn't already been paid a ****load.

 

You should make it a point to read an entire post rather than "I stopped reading here"

You just might learn something

 

Like I said in this thread and another, it all depends on Philbin.

What does PHILBIN want and what is he looking for LONG term.

Folks have been beating the drum for Matt Flynn prior to this news coming out, but as I said then...if PHILBIN wants Flynn, then Ross should go all out for him.
If Philbin doesn't want Manning because he's looking for a LONG TERM solution and not a short term, then that should be telling as well.

Regardless, if we get Manning, you're not going to hear me crying about it. I'll just know it's a short term solution and not a long term one.

 

Every athlete has. Doesn't mean they shouldn't ask for more.

 

I say again, if he can throw as not hard as Penny, you sign him.

 

I learned plenty.

You started with a ridiculous premise, everything from that point is built off the same ridiculous premise.

 

Neither, I come from a medical family. Mom and dad both went to med school. My dad was an anesthesiologist, my brother is a nurse practitioner. I grew up hanging around hospitals mostly waiting for my dad outside the E.R. As a result I have lots of people to ask about this stuff and I am fairly comfortable with medical jargon. I currently work as a P.I. with a large case load based on worker's compensation cases (work injury claims). I also have started schooling towards a nursing degree. So the information I've related here regarding the injury is not my own, but rather from doctors, nurses and medical resources they have referred me to.

 

I think it was in the Colt's response to the "Manning has been cleared" report. The one where they said it was no news b/c the issue was consistency.

 

You sound like a cleaner. Please don't hurt Walter White.

 

It's not that simple. It's like rafael said, one play he will be Peyton Manning, the next play he's Olivia Manning. That's too inconsistent.

 

I think that if we get manning, we are setting ourselves, and Joe Philbin up for failure long term. 2008 was horrible for this franchise long term. We got a one and done qb and he made a crappy roster look respectable. We all got our hopes up that maybe we weren't as bad as 1-15 when in actuality we were. That next draft, we drafted based on luxury and not rebuilding a franchise. Pennington giving the fanbase hope set us up too high and the management failed to build a franchise for long term success. That is all we are going to get from Manning. One, maybe 2 years, and we will fail to build for long term success, looking for the short term possibilities.

 

I think if Philbin - who should know better than anyone else in this league - thinks that Flynn is a franchise quality QB, then we need to exhaust all avenues to get him. If that falls through, then maybe you go after Manning.

But unless Philbin has reservations on Flynn (which I would be fine with - he is the guy that should know), then we should go Flynn.

No matter who we pick up, I wouldn't be surprised to see us attempt to establish a QB Camp similar to the one McCarthy started in Green Bay, and seeing us take a Qb somewhere in the top 4 rounds. If we pick Manning, we likely would spend a 1-2 rounder as a long term replacement with Moore as short term insurance. If Flynn, we may see a 3-4th rounder prospect.

 

I disagree wholeheartedly. In fact I believe one of best things about going after Manning is that it won't set us up for faliure long term. Even if we sign Peyton and his arm falls off Week 1, all it did was cost money, and, in all probability not a lot of cap money. I think Peyton will sign a contract that fairly small (relatively speaking) base wise, with a lot of accelerators where he can make millions more if his arm is OK and is effective.
Signing Peyton Manning is way les risky then trading away a boatload of players and picks to move up to #2 to draft Robert Griffin, IMO.

 

I fiqured it was something like that.

 

Thats exactly how I feel.

 

I don't want to move up for RG3, but I see it as less risky than moving up for Manning. And I think you're forgetting the opportunity cost. If you go after Manning you also pass up Flynn and if those in favor have their way on any 1st round QB b/c you're in win now mode. So it's not just getting a severely injured QB who almost certainly will never be as good as he was and may never even be a good QB, it's also that you're passing up the opportunity to get other QBs. The only way I pursue Manning is if Philbin doesn't want Flynn and I was planning to go into next season with Moore and Tannehill anyways. In that case then in the unlikely event Manning recovers I consider it a bonus and if Manning never plays, I'm exactly where I planned to be anyways.

 

There is no way signing Manning is more of a risk than moving up for RG3. If Manning's arm falls off, it only costs money. If we move up for Griffin and he busts it'll cost 2 1st, a couple other picks and maybe even a player.
The rest of what you said I understand and mostly agree with. Although I'd prefer not to go into next season with Moore and Tannehill as my two QB's. That's just another wasted 7-9 win season.
My top three choices for what I want to do at QB for next season in order are:
1. Trade whatever it takes for Luck
2. Matt Flynn
3. Peyton Manning

This is a good thread idea.......

 

IMO the odds of Manning ever playing again are worse than the odds of RG3 ever developing into a decent NFL QB. I would say that the odds of Manning playing even competently in 2012 are worse than of us drafting the next Brady in the 6th round this year. I agree with the first two on your list, but short of some private workout before the draft that convinces the F.O. that Manning had a miracle recovery, I would move Manning down the list to to below taking a 6th round QB by blindly pulling a name out of a hat. Even trading up to get RG3 (which I don't think will cost that much) at least puts us within striking distance of Luck. From there maybe the Colts fall in love with RG3 (there were reports that Polian had Luck and RG3 even though obviously Polian is gone) so either they just take RG3 or they can be convinced to move down and take the guy they may like just as much and add some picks. I do see either of those scenarios as unlikely, but far less unlikely than Manning coming back and playing well this year.

 

Fair enough. I guess it boils down to I'm a little more optimistic Manning can recover enough to still be an effective QB.

 

Please stop. He should take what the market pays based on his wants. There are a handful of guys in the world have done what he has dine. If the medical clearance comes he should cash in.

 

I'd be OK with moving up to #2 if I thought it could be a stepping stone to moving up to #1 or if it turns out the Colts take Griffin, (which would be mind-blowingly dumb, IMO).
But I'm just not sold on Griffin being a franchise guy. And certainly not someone I'd trade a boatload of picks/players for.

 

I appreciate the medical insight you bring to the discussion, but until I hear an NFL doctor say Manning won't play again, it's all just speculation.

Miami's team doctors would not pass him through a physical if he's in as bad a shape as you suggest, so I don't think there is any point in worrying about Miami signing a guy that might not be able to throw a football.

 

We're not asking you to pay his salary.

 

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Again.... I really have to wonder exactly where this value in Matt Flynn has come from.
Some of you are now convinced that he is the key to ruling the AFC East?
What are you basing that on?

 

I'd rather not rely on the Dolphins team Doctors..... see Drew Brees.
How about we take the advice of the actual specialist this time.

 

I don't at all agree.
It only plays out your way if the management of this team is neglect in their duties.
You know going into it that Manning will be a short term move to help the team compete at its highest level NOW.

If they are smart they will still be actively looking for a future QB as well.
Drafting a guy they see as top prospect this year should not be off the table if they go after Manning.

In managing a team you have to build for the short and long term.

 

No sh!t, sherlock.

 

I doubt that's true. Being cleared to play in medical terms generally refers to risk of injury. I said a few weeks ago that I had no doubt that he would be cleared to play within weeks. That's exactly what happened. But he also can't throw with any consistency yet. The medical staff isn't going to evaluate that part.

 

This is a completely different medical staff including doctors....That medical staff is now split between Tennessee and Carolina.
This medical staff is much more competent...

 

Thanks for the insight Finfangirl.
I figured there was a good chance of that.... still, I'd hope the team would put a greater weight on the actual specialist working with the Athlete in future decisions like this especially if it's a very renowned Doc.

I've been around these boards long enough to know your background so It's definitely a plus to know you hold the current staff in high regard.
Have you actually discussed Manning's injury and the real chances of him returning at a high level with any of your associates?
If so would you mind sharing?

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7543001/peyton-manning-flexible-deal-demands-sources-say

I think the willingness to sign an incentive laden contract makes it a must to go after him.

 

As I said before, I really do appreciate the medical insight you are applying to this. At the same time I'm just not willing to believe that the discussions you've had with nurses and some doctors will make you more qualified than the people Miami will be employing to determine whether or not Manning is worth the risk.

If what you're saying is true, and it very well might be, Miami will know that going in. And if they determine there are some unknown factors which there probably will be they will have to determine whether or not it's worth it to roll the dice. As a fan, I hope they take a chance on Manning. As I've said before, playing it safe has gotten us nowhere with respect to the QB. I also believe we can mitigate much of the risk with Manning by still drafting a QB high.

 

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...lphins-QB-Search-thread&p=1695955#post1695955

 

That's huge.

Gotta respect Manning for that.

 

sorry I started a thread on this. Didn't realize it was already mentioned. Its great news. There should be no more fears about manning now. Now the only thing I'm thinking about is who our new back up QB will be. Moore is gonna be the best 3rd string QB we've ever had

 

Guess Peyton Manning won't.

Glad to see he's being real and telling teams he's cool with an incentive-based deal.