manning will play for little to no guaranteed money

There was nothing terrible about it. You're just being *****y now.

 

With your logic, you are being insulting.

No need to take out you being upset with your terrible anology on me.

 

Or he believes he's going to be perfectly healthy and he's trying to convince people without a medical degree whose minds are already made up (like you) to take a shot.

 

The people he's trying to convince have people with medical degrees working for them.

 

Listen, you may not agree with my stance, that doesn't mean the analogy is terrible. It just means you don't agree with it and you want to be *****y.

Comparing a football player contract with no guaranteed money to a money back offer in the real world is absolutely a valid analogy. The problem is, you see my point and probably agree with it now, but you've spent all this time arguing against it, you want to save face, by being *****y. Its fine.

 

No, the analogy is terrible because the analogy doesn't stick.

How does comparing a football player contract with no guaranteed money to a money back offer in the real world have any validity to your point? For one you do not get your money back, you just do not have to spend money. A free trial would be a closer analogy. Since they would get Peyton Manning services until the regular season, other than the money they pay him during practice.

Now you understand why your analogy is freaking terrible. Of course you rather be insulting and try to act superior to try to save face.

 

The problem is, you're arguing from a standpoint where you think it is 100% certain he'll never be what he was. You are basing that, probably on KB's assessment and nothing else. KP on the other hand, is basing the same premise on just being a negative person in general. Peyton's doctors aren't sure if he will or won't. That isn't 100%. That isn't even 60%.

But everyone has an opinion. Much the same way people with MDs made a decision on Brees. Peyton has to make it attractive to get into a meeting. He's doing that by taking away as much risk as he can by stating he doesn't need guaranteed risk.

 

Because, they are both about lessening risk of the buyer in an effort to convince them to make a purchase. This is far from rocket science and your lacking in ability of understanding that simple *** premise has no bearing on the validity of the analogy.

 

I am basing it on the fact that I do not know. I do know if Manning is willing to take less guaranteed money that the chances of him being well is less. If he is in fact willing to sign for no guaranteed money then there is a huge question. This isn't Drew Brees. This is a quarterback who is worth $20 million a year. If Peyton Manning was 100% healthy he could easily get $40 million in guaranteed money.

One of the reason Brees didn't sign with Miami is that they wanted him to have less guaranteed money. Brees was very confident that he could come back from the injury and Saints were willing to pay him what he wanted.

 

Your premise is wrong. All anyone is trying to tell you is that him taking less money could very easily mean he's trying to convince an owner to take a chance on him, by lessening their risk. You act like that is some ridiculous notion, when it is just as likely as what you are saying.

 

No, the fact that the analogy was poor and had very little bearing on the situation is what made it bad.

 

You are honestly going to sit there and say, there is no way that no guaranteed money is about lessening the risk for a team in an effort to get them to take a chance? Really? Horse****.

Like I said, its clear you're just being *****y now.

 

Tisk tisk, always with the insults FinD

 

You probably thought that because you were so young then. Looked at thephins through youthful non bitter glasses

 

I didn't go in the main board very often at Finheaven. WAY too much complaining.

We as a whole have had a lot to complain about in the last couple of years.

 

How else can I argue against someone who just flat out refuses to accept common sense? Its not like you aren't capable. You are. This is just you refusing to accept logic.

 

Which debate class did you take taught you if someone doesn't agree with you and maybe being a little difficult, then the next step is insulting them. Because you should get your money back. But they probably didn't have a money back policy due to the fact that they are terrible debate teachers.

 

If memory serves me right, about the same complainy. It is superbowl or nothing and for some people it is not winning they superbowl by enough.

 

If Doctors were the ones negotiating contracts you'd probably have a point.
They don't however.
The owners and GM's that make these contracts have to rely on doctors opinions.
Even if Manning is cleared to play those team Execs may still harbor doubt which would get in the way of whether they'd take a chance on him or not. You can't deduce that because Manning is offering an incentive based contract that he knows he's done. It would not benefit him to do so in the least. He's offering this to quell any of remaining fear of risk any GM would have even with a positive Doctor's prognosis.

No one but Manning and his doctor knows either way how this situation will likely turn out.
For anyone else to say they do is folly.
We should probably all just wait for further medical information from additional tests that no doubt will happen if/when Manning hits the open market. Manning is going to be studied like a newfound species by a number of specialists if he becomes available.

 

It could just be that Manning doesn't need the outright money and doesn't want to be known as a guy who took a boatload of guaranteed money and screwed a team over. Maybe he is confident he will be able to perform and collect the money but just doesn't want to risk tarnishing himself.

 

No I didn't think of my reply before I read. I thought of it before I wrote.

 

That could be true

 

I didn't read the whole thread but a lot of folks take this as only an indication of Manning going to another team.

I think the opposite and see this as Manning's power play of putting the decision to cut him squarely back on the Colts and Irsay vs Luck.

I believe Manning wants to end his career with the Colts and would seek to renegotiate a near zero risk contract with Irsay first. If they sign that, how does that affect Luck and maybe forcing a trade? Luck doesn't want to even sit for a year let alone risk if Manning's nerves regenerate and he can play effectively for a couple more years. I don't believe Luck will sign a contract with the Colts if Manning is coming back.

The best thing for Miami may be if Manning's rehab is progressing well and Luck forces a draft trade. It may bring RGIII's trade price considerably lower and be in Miami's reach.

 

How is this a debate? This is message board bickering.

I maintain, me insulting fits the medium better than you pretending my analogy is bad.

 

The medium of message boards? Both would fit just fine.

 

I stand corrected.

 

I don't see Manning offering to sign for no guaranteed money as desperate or any indication about his ability to play next year. I think he just wants to pick where he goes, if he just wanted to pad his retirement account he would just put out that he is willing to go to the highest bidder no matter what their record is, he wants to win and offering GMs low risk contract terms lets him sign with more teams and gives him more teams to choose from.

 

I actually think the best thing for Miami would be if Manning signs with the Redskins and Flynn signs with the Browns. Wouldn't this make the #2 pick come just a bit cheaper?

 

I don't really like any part of this scenario :/

 

I was listening to NFL.com's Scott Hansen on local radio yesterday. He says this relationship is broken. This performance-based contract is the one Manning's going to give his NEXT team.

This news of his neck being healed, Manning put it out there. Those doctors would lose their licenses for violating doctor-patient confidentiality rules unless Manning OK'd it. You're talking two rich, iconic guys with egos. This was Manning's 'game on' notice to Jim Irsay.

I think that contract with Indy is going to stay as is. It's a huge piece of leverage. It serves Manning better to gain his freedom and pick his team than to try and stay put for a year in Indy while looking over his shoulder at his replacement, who's already considered ready to start. Assuming he's healthy, Manning is going to start wherever he lands until his play or his body falls off. Not the case in Indy. Going back to Indy severely limits his current and future options.

Whether or not Luck forces a trade, who knows. But the odds of it are lower because Peyton will be long gone by then.

 

I remember months ago when we first started talking about this, someone speculated that Luck might be turned off by what the Colts, as it turns out, appear to be doing to Peyton by forcing him out in such a negative way. At the time, I think someone said it in a optimistic way so the Dolphins would have a chance at Luck, but the way things are shaping up it wouldn't be a complete shock of Luck pulled an Eli at this point.

 

Imagine the Colts cut Manning and Luck holds out and they get NO quarterback?!

 

Interesting stuff all this Manning/Colts speculation. It really is a Peyton's Place in Indy these days...LOL. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall inside Colts HQ?

I agree with the above FWIW. I think Peyton has played his last game as a Colt. Question is, will he play again? That's the $64K question. Honestly, I hope so. Even if he doesn't end up a Dolphin (although, I hope he does). Peyton is undeniably one of the best to ever play the position, and the most dynamic QB to play the game since Marino. To have his career end prematurely just doesn't seem right. That's why I would love to see him have a renaissance in Miami. How cool would it be to see him hoist the Lombardi trophy wearing a Dolphins uni in his home town next February?

 

There is always the possibility that Luck is a bust and the Colts suffer karma for how they treated Peyton.

 

Kinda like the Dolphins?

 

The Colts aren't treating Peyton poorly.

They paid him a ton of dough last year.

Both sides seem to want to end the relationship. It's best for everybody. The Colts want to rebuild around Luck and Peyton wants to spend his last few years on a good team.

When Peyton is released I'm sure there will be no hard feelings and when he finally retires he'll go back and have his number retired, etc.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say the chances are low. It would be awesome though. Jim Irsay is acting like a middle school kid right now. Even Stephen Ross thinks the guy needs to learn a thing or two about being an NFL owner.

 

I would say there is some ill treatment. And I meant to add karma for basically tanking the season to get luck.