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Drafnek mock draft

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Jcouch1021, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    What position would you play Kirkpatrick?
     
  2. PhinsRDbest

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    Nah, Woodrow Wilson's ghost, who ironically covers better than Gibril. :wink2:
     
  3. ToddsPhins

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    Perry didn't jump out at me the last I watched him, but that was a while ago....... so now you have me wanting to revisit him.

    Thoughts on Sam Montgomery? He's the guy who had me drooling and hoping he'd declare.
    Keep an eye on Corey Crawford, if you haven't already.
     
  4. Conuficus

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    Watch him against Stanford, he gets around Martin several times with ease, and pressures Luck. Thats one thing about him, he gets sacks, but also gets pressures which are very important as well. Even when he doesn't 'get there' he makes an impression. He wins matchups very early with his hands. The guy has violent hands.
     
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    I might be tempted to have at S to be honest.......not exactly sure what the new DC will want to do. I need to bone up more on what Cincy did last year to get some idea, if any. There will be some influences and carry over somewhere.
     
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  6. rafael

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    Of course they do, but if he's not consistently motivated, then he won't excel at the next level. Conuficus pointed out the poor use of hands. That's somebody who is not working on their craft. I don't believe he can get by on just his athletic ability at the next level. I think he needs to go to a vet team and I'm no sure Miami is a great fit.
     
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    He's somewhat convincing with his notion that he's not lazy--- with his goal being a #1 pick and like 21 sacks. Then adding in Butch Davis's praise of him where Butch attributed some of his underachieving play to the coaching changes, playing him inside, and the overall emotional pressure and stress in dealing with what the football program's chaos. I also liked Coples' conviction when speaking about being stoned by a tackle---- that he hates losing battles, and if he does get beat, he takes it personally and will do everything he can to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm less worried about him after seeing multiple interviews, but he's still not an easy read. I think a veteran team (like you mentioned) or one with a Dline coach or DC he can relate to could turn him into a stud b/c I think deep down Quinton craves to be the best he can be but might only need the proper guidance & caressing to help push him and keep him focused.

    I think you and Con make a good point about his hand usage though and lack of ideal get-off and bend ability. I still love his raw power, and I'm guessing when things get a little tougher for him in the NFL and he gets shut down a few times by a stud tackle, it'll kick him in the arse to improve his hands and get them more active.
     
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    Osweiler is moving up boards...and I dont see why. In the games I have watched he has looked very inaccurate, if he goes in the 1st rd some team is going to be disappointed I think.
     
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    I woudlnt mind playing kirpatrick at Safety... hes a good tackler and has pretty good ball skills
     
  10. rafael

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    I don't really disagree with anything your saying here. IMO it comes down to a person's risk tolerance and which risks they're comfortable with. Personally, I tend to favor high motor, self-motivated guys good, but not elite athleticism over the better athletes with motivation questions. Nothing is absolute of course. If I had a team of Zach Thomas' and Wes Welkers', I would feel comfortable adding a Randy Moss.
     
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    Truthfully if you look at the body of work, Brock Osweiler is probably about as deserving of 1st round designation as Blaine Gabbert was. Which is to say, not necessarily but I could still see it.
     
  12. ToddsPhins

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    I'm with you, Raf. I'm typically more for the high motor, self-motivated, relentless type, too, and usually cross off the "risky elite athleticism" guys unless I can get them for a bargain, but I'm not sure yet if I throw Coples into the "high risk" category or smack in the middle where I wouldn't shade him either way (high risk or low risk). That's why I agree with you---- that in his case it likely comes down to the coaches and players around him. He could be one of the loyal types who, if you treat him right, busts his butt for your acceptance and continued appreciation & respect. I bet the Giants and their pack of pass rushers would turn him into a beast.

    The one thing going for Coples that I like is the shortened rookie contracts combined with a lower dollar amount $. I like the fact that these youngens have a diminished reason to become complacent, ya know.
     

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